New REQUIRED on-line ADIZ course

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Every pilot flying within 100 nm of the DC ADIZ will soon be required to have completed an online course and carry the printed completion card with his/her airman certificate. You can get a head start by doing it now. See http://www.eaa.org/communications/eaanews/051117_course.html for the details. It took me about 20 minutes to complete it, and I have my little card ready to laminate and stick in my wallet.
 
Ron Levy said:
Every pilot flying within 100 nm of the DC ADIZ will soon be required to have completed an online course and carry the printed completion card with his/her airman certificate. You can get a head start by doing it now.
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Oh, brother. Fine.
 
RE-TAR-DED

I thought getting an ASEL covered this. Morons.
 
N2212R said:
RE-TAR-DED

I thought getting an ASEL covered this. Morons.
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Although I hate to have to say this, I believe this may be in GA's best interest. Can't keep coming off like a bunch of yokels, I know that percentage wise incursions are relatively low, but the government and the press don't care about that. Besides, I don't know what the extra costs involved are, but if they have to launch a jet, or just send one already aloft over on burner, it's several hundred in fuel alone, plus I'm sure it has a beaurocratic cost as well. I'm all for mandatory education where the only cost to me is a bit of my time to learn, sweet deal. Be forwarned though, this can also be construed into much harsher reaction for people who still screw up, it could be used as an excuse in a shoot down:"We know that everyone who is supposed to be flying knows the proceedures to follow. Those proceedures were not being followed and the aircraft flew into this area of National Security, in light of 9/11, we had to assume the threat and shot him down."....and I'd agree with them.
 
I discovered this course a few days ago when I was browsing the FAA Safety site, looking for info on the ADIZ. It looked like a lot of information to absorb on my lunch break -- 8 chapters! I thought preparing to fly there would be a 6-step process, maybe. Anyway, I think it's a good idea to have all this information in one place.
 
I suppose anyone who'll ever plan on flying in that area should do it also, eh? I know that if I don't do it now, I'll forget when the time comes to fly up there.
 
Where's the Non-line course.

I'm not registering my e-mail address and such.
 
What will the next hoop be?
 
Toby said:
I discovered this course a few days ago when I was browsing the FAA Safety site, looking for info on the ADIZ. It looked like a lot of information to absorb on my lunch break -- 8 chapters!
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The "chapters" are very short. As I said, it took me about 20 minutes to do the whole course and the 25-question multiple-choice test, although being familiar with the program made it rather easier than if you've been living in a cave for the last couple of years.
 
Ron Levy said:
The "chapters" are very short. As I said, it took me about 20 minutes to do the whole course and the 25-question multiple-choice test, although being familiar with the program made it rather easier than if you've been living in a cave for the last couple of years.
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Took me about 30-40 minutes. I now have a fancy little certificate to keep with my Pilot's License. I'll probably never use it, but just in case, I have it.
 
OK. So the next Smoketown 2 will also be charged with failing to take this course.

This fixes what?
 
Ron Levy said:
Don't know about where the "non-line" course is, but if you have internet access, there's a way to take the course without giving an email address. See https://www.faasafety.gov/SPANS/preregistration.aspx and look for the part that says "If you do not have an email address, CLICK HERE."
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uh oh Ron - did you read the link, or just see it and assume it was helpful.

From the link:
If you do not have an email address, there are several freely available web-based services. In order to protect your privacy and verify your identity you must have an email address to log into the faasafety.gov system.
 
Great. You know what this is going to mean. Different sets of rules for different parts of the country. Well, NYC's B-space you need this, but STL's you need this, and DFW's you need this.

"Local" endorsements to fly in different parts of the country. Sorry Nick, you can't fly over Kansas unless you've been checked out by the Topeka FSDO. Oh, but they don't cover you for overflying Nebraska, you'll have to get one from Lincoln to do that, and Iowa, and...
 
Carol said:
What will the next hoop be?
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Exactly.

Might as well be a 100 nm ADIZ with this thing. Now we'll have more ramp checks and Feds prowling around looking for one more thing to bust pilots on.
 
The optimist in me thinks that this may be moot when the NPRM to make the ADIZ permanent is withdrawn due to overwhelmingly negative public comment. The realist is me fully expects to be taking this course in the near future.

Please people, don't be so quick to cast stones at your fellow pilots for ADIZ violations. Yes, there are people like the Flying Farmer who did incredibly stupid things, but a lot of the so-called violations are minor technical issues that the FAA is forced to pursue because of a zero-tolerance policy by the powers-that-be, or so they say.

You still have a chance to add to that list of comments if you haven't done so already. For those who don't think that ADIZ-creep is something to worry about, note that the current regulation places a burden on you if you fly within 100 miles of the ADIZ.

Jon
 
SkyHog said:
uh oh Ron - did you read the link, or just see it and assume it was helpful.

From the link:
If you do not have an email address, there are several freely available web-based services. In order to protect your privacy and verify your identity you must have an email address to log into the faasafety.gov system.
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Guess you'll just have to set up a hotmail account long enough to take the course -- about an hour should do it.

wsuffa said:
Now we'll have more ramp checks and Feds prowling around looking for one more thing to bust pilots on.
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Not a chance -- the FAA just doesn't have the budget. They hardly do any Part 91 light GA ramp checks as it is. All this will mean is that if you should happen to get checked within 100nm of the ADIZ, you'll have to produce one more little piece of paper.

BTW, has anyone else noticed that on each question on the test, they have a link to the answer? Y'gotta be dumber'n'a box'o'rocks not to pass it once you see that -- we're talking open-book, open-note, multiple choice here.
 
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Ron Levy said:
Guess you'll just have to set up a hotmail account long enough to take the course -- about an hour should do it.
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Bah - that came off mean by me towards you. I meant it to be mean towards the FAA - as in "They wouldn't do something that's helpful, would they?"

My apologies if it came off that way Ron.
 
N2212R said:
Great. You know what this is going to mean. Different sets of rules for different parts of the country. Well, NYC's B-space you need this, but STL's you need this, and DFW's you need this.

"Local" endorsements to fly in different parts of the country. Sorry Nick, you can't fly over Kansas unless you've been checked out by the Topeka FSDO. Oh, but they don't cover you for overflying Nebraska, you'll have to get one from Lincoln to do that, and Iowa, and...
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A less ominous course of evoulution that this mandatory review of private pilot material might take would be to include all areas of NSA hypersensitivity on the test. With DC ADIZ being the nucleous of the BS and already covered, other types of TFRs and such accross our USA airspace would only add a few more questions on the test due to subject overlap and redundancy.

When I get the energy to write a few more letters to the DC ADIZ rejection site, that's what I'm gonna say. Any more suggestions out there towards directing this course of action concerning pilots ?
 
Ron Levy said:
Not a chance -- the FAA just doesn't have the budget. They hardly do any Part 91 light GA ramp checks as it is. All this will mean is that if you should happen to get checked within 100nm of the ADIZ, you'll have to produce one more little piece of paper.
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Ron, you have a lot more faith than I. It's fairly trivial to make it a requirement to file the certificate number before flying anywhere near the ADIZ. Or to mandate that the FBO check the certificate for renters/pilots.

And note I said Feds, which incorporates other agencies, not just the FAA. Probably should have said LEO's, too. In the name of National Security, they will have the budget.

I would also add that this little requirement makes a de-facto expansion of the ADIZ/restricted (not capitalized R) airspace near Washington. Now we have a THIRD layer of airspace in the area. <sarcasm> Maybe they should just get it over with and ban GA within the DC area. <end sarcasm>

So, do the airline pilots have to take this course, too?
 
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