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I was also thinking about a Denver boot type device...
 
Rene Mitchell. Phone: (210) 541-6700

Thrifty Car Rental. Call the agency now, tell them their vehicle was unlawfully parked, incurred parking charges of $(name your rate).
 
Do you own anything with a loader ?

A 4ft section of jersey barrier is 1200lb :)
 
denverpilot said:
I'm going to laugh if someone just stuck a geocache out there somewhere and the idiots rent cars to go find it. LOL
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Have had that. And r/c airplane searchers.
Not a huge concern, kids and Dad having fun.
A small group of adults I trust less for some reason.

What could I tell Thrifty's to get the guy's attention? I think they'd blow off parking offences, no concern to them, the bill gets passed along.
 
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Exactly.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
I'm thinking the next one will be able to explain that to me and the sheriff.
Probably no harm whatsoever but the disrespect is annoying.
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Well, it looks like your land is fenced, so even without purple posts, your trespasser has been given notice not to enter the property.

It's more than the disrespect. They fall into an abandoned mineshaft on your property or drown in a stock-pond and you have a liability issue on your hands.
 
Graueradler said:
"Posted Purple" is also the standard in Arkansas.
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WE have it here in VA/NC as well. Alas, you're likely to have problems. Mostly the purple is used for large areas of land that you're trying to bar hunters from (it's really only the hunting license prep that it is disseminated). I'd doubt you'd get a prosecution for a random intruder.
 
The liability issue. I meant to bring that up.

Does it not go like this, in Texas?

-someone will break a leg and sue you.
-no, they can't - they broke a law (Tx criminal trespass §30.05) in the process of getting in a situation in which they broke their leg.
-yes, anyone can sue for any reason.
-well they can sue but likely won't win anything (from your insurance co) unless I was 'insert legal terms here like willfully neglectful etc'
-yes, I might win such a suit but do I really want the hassle and expense of legal trouble?
 
No plaintiffs' lawyer if any quality would accept that case, especially since they'd have to bring suit in Mr. Davis' county. A jury of your peers, sitting in judgment of you, in your home county. I would take those odds!
 
weilke said:
Well, it looks like your land is fenced, so even without purple posts, your trespasser has been given notice not to enter the property.

It's more than the disrespect. They fall into an abandoned mineshaft on your property or drown in a stock-pond and you have a liability issue on your hands.
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Thus is why so many people view our "legal" system as a joke.
 
SCCutler said:
No plaintiffs' lawyer if any quality would accept that case, especially since they'd have to bring suit in Mr. Davis' county. A jury of your peers, sitting in judgment of you, in your home county. I would take those odds!
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You assume a quality plaintiffs lawyer. The type that just aims for the $5000 'medical payment' will take anything.

To what extent can you control the approach in front of your gate ?
I like those super sticky window signs.
 
You can't be held for liability if you posted and fenced the property. At least in NH, they can't. I'll assume texas is the same.
Call a towing company and get them towed. They'll have to pay the towing company to get their car back.
Or ignore it. Is there anything work hiking/viewing on the property? Do you mind hikers?

I know some people that own land in northern NH, and we've considered building mountain bikes trails on it. But since they don't live there, it'd be impossible to keep the quads/atv/utv idiots off of it and destroying the trails. He has enough problems with "hunters" trespassing and other people littering on it.
 
What is the attraction / motive for people to trespass on this piece of property?
 
JoseCuervo said:
What is the attraction / motive for people to trespass on this piece of property?
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Nothing really, except stunning views and beautiful terrain.
 
Too bad you didn't have your post hole digger handy. Put one post in the center of the front, one in the center of the back.

Poor dudes will have fun trying to dig the posts out by hand. You could also leave your phone number and tell them you'll remove the posts for $xx.

The legal types here will clarify, but you should be able to detain a vehicle illegally parked on your property, so long as the occupants are free to leave without it. Trapping the people could be considered kidnap or false imprisonment.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
Here are today's miscreants. Three adult males, I could see them 1/2mi away, traipsing through my pasture & climbing my hill. They parked, blocking my gate and hopped the fence to get in. I slapped an appropriate note under the wiper.
I felt like getting in the driver's seat, lighting up one of their cigarettes and waiting til they came back, "So, I bet you don't like me sitting in your car" but I didn't have time.
Who knows wth they were doing back there, hope it doesn't involve plastic bags and shovels.

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I'm not noticing any signs...believe it or not, in most jurisdictions it is completely legal if it is not posted.
 
tawood said:
I'm not noticing any signs...believe it or not, in most jurisdictions it is completely legal if it is not posted.
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In TX the presence of a fence is considered 'notice' that you are not to trespass.
 
tawood said:
I'm not noticing any signs...believe it or not, in most jurisdictions it is completely legal if it is not posted.
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It looks like that in Texas fencing alone may be enough. It also looks like a conspicuous sign prohibiting entry at any gate is a stronger position for the landowner.
 
should have let the air out of all 4 tires,and kept the valve stems...........................................
 
§30.05 fencing is all the notice required, signs are not required. I figured Texas plates, they oughta know....but it is a rental car.
 
JoseCuervo said:
What is the attraction / motive for people to trespass on this piece of property?
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SCCutler said:
Nothing really, except stunning views and beautiful terrain.
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Seeing a rental car present along with a regular stream of visitors, you may want to do a little digging on the internet, or ask a few of your uninvited guests where on the web they found your property.

There are numerous little specialty hiking and archaeological forums and blogs that list "day trip" hikes to points of interest. I've seen several in West Texas and New Mexico that will list GPS breadcrumb trails of some previous hiker, often pointing out petroglyphs, ruins, wildlife, or other significant views of note. You might be able to get the site owner to add a private property note, or pull it all together.
 
We may be going about this all wrong.

Put a little wooden box near the gate with envelopes to put in their entrance fee. Like they have at campgrounds and such. Put an old security camera nearby (need not be hooked up to anything)

Nothing will keep them away better than demanding payment!
 
rolivi said:
We may be going about this all wrong.

Put a little wooden box near the gate with envelopes to put in their entrance fee. Like they have at campgrounds and such. Put an old security camera nearby (need not be hooked up to anything)

Nothing will keep them away better than demanding payment!
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I was just gonna suggest that. I'd make it a little welded steel box though. Of course doing so probably means you have to let anyone in, and you're liable if they hurt themselves.
 
DaleB said:
I was just gonna suggest that. I'd make it a little welded steel box though. Of course doing so probably means you have to let anyone in, and you're liable if they hurt themselves.
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Make the fee reaaaaaaly reaaaaaaly high then. ;)
 
rolivi said:
We may be going about this all wrong.

Put a little wooden box near the gate with envelopes to put in their entrance fee. Like they have at campgrounds and such. Put an old security camera nearby (need not be hooked up to anything)

Nothing will keep them away better than demanding payment!
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Bad mistake. The moment you give them license to use your land and charge for it you lose recreational use protection from liability.[/U]
 
ElPaso Pilot said:
Seeing a rental car present along with a regular stream of visitors, you may want to do a little digging on the internet, or ask a few of your uninvited guests where on the web they found your property.

There are numerous little specialty hiking and archaeological forums and blogs that list "day trip" hikes to points of interest. I've seen several in West Texas and New Mexico that will list GPS breadcrumb trails of some previous hiker, often pointing out petroglyphs, ruins, wildlife, or other significant views of note. You might be able to get the site owner to add a private property note, or pull it all together.
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Sounds like the most likely explanation.
 
SCCutler said:
Nothing really, except stunning views and beautiful terrain.
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Views of what? From the picture posted, doesn't look like much to see. Certainly not enough to motivate trespassing.
 
SkyDog58 said:
I think that is true in most jurisdictions.
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Probably true.

In ND you can enter or even hunt fenced land as long as it is not posted. Otoh, 'posting' only requires a sign every 880 yards so there is really no telling which parcels are off limits and one is well advised to stay off any land they don't have express permission to enter.
 
Solved: I found a YT vid where you can hook the fence and gates to 120V off the main panel.
Will dig a trench next to fence, easier to bury the bodies.
 
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