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IWas thinking if I did decide to move to Australia (seeing kanagroos everyday probably gets old but that's ok) what's the procedure? Is there a study guide like the us has? Or would I just become an illegal over there if I never came back to the States? Asking for a friend.
 
You have to learn how to identify all the venomous animals: "That one, that one, that one, that one over there, that other one, that one that doesn't look venomous, and that one way over there, this one here, ..."
 
Everything can kill you in Australia !




I don't think the US recognizes any additional citizenships a US citizen may acquire until they relinquish their US citizenship. You can become a permanent resident of another country without a problem. Except of course that you are always subject to US taxation on your foreign income (subject to the applicable double-taxation treaty). Also, the different countries with social security type systems have a framework in place that governs where and how much of your social security benefit you receive (with some 'anti windfall provisions'). Basically you can collect only once.
 
Mrs. Steingar is a dual citizen of the US and Canada, so it can be done. Not only that, but because both Canada and Australia are part of the British Commonwealth, I bet we could go live there if we so desired. Every nation has rules on who can enter and how long they can stay. I'm certain Australia has such rules, and I'll bet money they can be more easily found on other internet sites than this one.
 
Mrs. Steingar is a dual citizen of the US and Canada, so it can be done. Not only that, but because both Canada and Australia are part of the British Commonwealth, I bet we could go live there if we so desired. Every nation has rules on who can enter and how long they can stay. I'm certain Australia has such rules, and I'll bet money they can be more easily found on other internet sites than this one.

The US does not recognize dual citizenship. Canada does. All it means is that you cannot use a foreign passport when entering the US (if you are a US citizen).
 
The US does not recognize dual citizenship. Canada does. All it means is that you cannot use a foreign passport when entering the US (if you are a US citizen).

It means more than that. If you are arrested for a crime, you have a right to get assistance from your countries consulate and you may have some treaty rights as a foreign citizen. As a dual US/foreign citizen the US considers you a US citizen only and you have no such rights.
 
I think you're a US citizen, unless and until you renounce, as far as the US is concerned? If you pick up a second citizenship (like Brit), I think it's more-or-less irrelevant to the US government? Except for security clearances and such, where it will be an issue.
 
My wife can get into Australia.

I, being a pilot bum, could not.

I also like guns that Australians think are scary, so it is a no go.
 
I believe the process would begin with a residency visa and work it’s way, eventually to citizenship

You’re going to want to eventually renounce your US citizenship as Uncle will still want income tax until you do. (Not a joke).
 
The major points for gaining legal residency in Australia are covered in post 3. After sufficient residency in Australia you can apply for permanent residency and even Australian citizenship.

You are not required to renounce US citizenship. If you choose to and have no other national citizenship, you become a stateless person.

https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...nship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html

Note that renouncing US citizenship is generally irrevocable, and may not impact any tax obligations you have.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/int...riation-tax#_Expatriation_after_June_17, 2008
 
Complicated stuff.

My sister moved to ‘Striya a long time ago, moved when she was essentially penniless. She is an Australian citizen, now, but I don’t believe she has renounced; I’ll ask her.

For years after she arrived, she could not lawfully be employed.

Both of her children were dutifully registered with the US Consulate when born, both hold dual citizenship. One now resides here (Seattle, though I remain hopeful that is someday to be remedied), the other has stayed in Adelaide, which is hardly punishment!
 
The FATCA (foreign account tax compliance act) is catching people by surprise worldwide.

If you successfully move, and gain employment and eventually citizenship in another country, tossing your US citizenship is something to consider.

This isn’t direct advice, just a point to ponder.
 
Mrs. Steingar is a dual citizen of the US and Canada, so it can be done. Not only that, but because both Canada and Australia are part of the British Commonwealth, I bet we could go live there if we so desired...

Yes, but you would only be allowed to stay there at the pleasure of Her Majesty (Mrs. S). ;)

IWas thinking if I did decide to move to Australia (seeing kanagroos everyday probably gets old but that's ok) what's the procedure? Is there a study guide like the us has? Or would I just become an illegal over there if I never came back to the States? Asking for a friend.

Most countries, including Australia, have a variety of different visas that can be applied for by non-nationals depending on the specific circumstance. Student, work, residency only, and so forth. Australia is a bit more restrictive than Canada or the UK though.
 
You have to learn how to identify all the venomous animals: "That one, that one, that one, that one over there, that other one, that one that doesn't look venomous, and that one way over there, this one here, ..."

Also, you'll need to learn how to do a "cranium crush" with a Fosters Oil Can
 
And, don’t even think of driving over the speed limit. They have traffic cameras. Evil things, traffic cameras.
 
You’re going to want to eventually renounce your US citizenship as Uncle will still want income tax until you do. (Not a joke).


The US has 'double taxation' treaties with most of the countries that are major trade partners. Most of these treaties say 'you pay your taxes where the money is earned but if your taxes are lower than your US taxes you pay the difference in the US'. As a result, this doesn't matter much unless you have:
- substantial assets and investment income in both jurisdictions
- you move to a low tax country or you move certain types of income abroad which is non-taxable abroad but taxable in the US

Also, resigning your citizenship in the face of a disputed tax liability does not automatically make that go away. I believe there is also an 'exit tax' that can kick in with that scenario.

For a regular wage earner who moves to a place with taxes similar or higher than the US, there is not much of a problem with double taxation or uncle sam trying to get taxes on top of the foreign tax.

Another thing to keep in mind as a retiree: As a US citizen, you can draw social security anywhere in the world. As a non-citizen there are limitations (that's why so many LPRs who retire to a house they built in their home country maintain a postal address and bank account in the US).
 
The US has 'double taxation' treaties with most of the countries that are major trade partners. Most of these treaties say 'you pay your taxes where the money is earned but if your taxes are lower than your US taxes you pay the difference in the US'. As a result, this doesn't matter much unless you have:
- substantial assets and investment income in both jurisdictions
- you move to a low tax country or you move certain types of income abroad which is non-taxable abroad but taxable in the US

Also, resigning your citizenship in the face of a disputed tax liability does not automatically make that go away. I believe there is also an 'exit tax' that can kick in with that scenario.

For a regular wage earner who moves to a place with taxes similar or higher than the US, there is not much of a problem with double taxation or uncle sam trying to get taxes on top of the foreign tax.

Another thing to keep in mind as a retiree: As a US citizen, you can draw social security anywhere in the world. As a non-citizen there are limitations (that's why so many LPRs who retire to a house they built in their home country maintain a postal address and bank account in the US).

My understanding is that as a US citizen, the taxes on the money you make in Australia can be paid either to the US, or to Australia per the treaty. I haven't actually had to deal with that yet, but it will become an issue at some point.
 
I think you're a US citizen, unless and until you renounce, as far as the US is concerned? If you pick up a second citizenship (like Brit), I think it's more-or-less irrelevant to the US government? Except for security clearances and such, where it will be an issue.

The US will still want taxes on your worldwide income. Security clearances, it may affect trusted traveler (Global Entry and Pre), certain other benefits. Get good legal advice if you do business with the government as a contractor or have certain federal licensing where citizenship is restricted (private pilot should not be an issue).

I believe the process would begin with a residency visa and work it’s way, eventually to citizenship

You’re going to want to eventually renounce your US citizenship as Uncle will still want income tax until you do. (Not a joke).

Yep, on both counts. Some places will restrict residency visas - and some will grant so-called "golden visas" for making a certain amount of investment in the country. The length of time between residency and citizenship depends on the country, and some countries have a minimum percentage of that time you must be resident in the country.

The FATCA (foreign account tax compliance act) is catching people by surprise worldwide.

If you successfully move, and gain employment and eventually citizenship in another country, tossing your US citizenship is something to consider.

This isn’t direct advice, just a point to ponder.

Important to note: make sure you understand how renouncing will impact not only the taxes but also any benefits (like pensions or social security or medicare).

Also note that there either is - or is being considered - a fairly steep "renunciation tax" due to the US because the presumption is that you are giving up your US citizenship specifically to avoid taxes.

And, don’t even think of driving over the speed limit. They have traffic cameras. Evil things, traffic cameras.

Come to DC for a visit sometime, Spike. Traffic camera of the US. Red light cameras, speed cameras, now stop sign cameras and they're supposedly working on crosswalk cameras.

Evil, evil, evil.

My understanding is that as a US citizen, the taxes on the money you make in Australia can be paid either to the US, or to Australia per the treaty. I haven't actually had to deal with that yet, but it will become an issue at some point.

Be careful to understand the rules. The US taxes worldwide income, but allows a certain amount of credit for taxes paid to foreign countries. IIRC, there is a limit, but I don't know about Australia specifically. It can bite you in some places where the foreign country only taxes you on income earned there but the US taxes on worldwide income, so anything "earned" outside of the foreign country gets taxed by the US. I am also aware of a few situations where there is double taxation.

Good legal and accounting advice needed....

And there were some towns/countries that would pay/incentivize you to move there....
 
You're just begging for a round of Fosters Beer meme's.....

Just remember that you won't find Fosters in Australia. Strictly made for export. The Australians know better than to drink that stuff. Toohey's and VB are much better.
 
Just remember that you won't find Fosters in Australia. Strictly made for export. The Australians know better than to drink that stuff. Toohey's and VB are much better.
Versus Foster's, I agree..... But just wait until you get down here to DFW and we introduce you to Fire Ant Funeral
 
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