[NA] Apple's upcoming Watch

dans2992 said:
Believe it or not, my company has been contracted to make such a contraption. (We deal with plastics and elastomers). It has an app and is Bluetooth-controlled....
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I knew it had to be cumming.:lol:
 
DavidWhite said:
You can't watch porn on an apple watch, what's the point?
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Exactly, now with the iCockring you can watch porn on the bus on your 6+ Or Google Glass with the new PocketPool app synchronizing stimulation. It's the next step in the evolution of VR, robosexuality.:lol:
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Keep in mind, you're not the only one on the planet asking for new features from ForeFlight. ;) I'd bet money that timers are on their list somewhere, just not high enough to have been implemented yet. I'd certainly like timers too, and have thought about doing a super-duper flight timer app myself, but I believe strongly enough that FF will do it eventually that it just isn't worth the time to do it myself.



Those innovation-killers. ;)
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I've got timers out the wazoo on iOS. I want them ***in*** the FF app so I don't have to App switch.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Keep in mind, you're not the only one on the planet asking for new features from ForeFlight. ;) I'd bet money that timers are on their list somewhere, just not high enough to have been implemented yet. I'd certainly like timers too, and have thought about doing a super-duper flight timer app myself, but I believe strongly enough that FF will do it eventually that it just isn't worth the time to do it myself.



Those innovation-killers. ;)
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This is true, but they seem to do much "lower value" stuff, rather than easy, low hanging fruit like audio terrain alerts, timers, VNAV, etc. Sometimes it's frustrating because those items don't seem that difficult, yet they remain incomplete while other (seemingly much harder) items get development attention.


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Henning said:
If it could automatically set a count down timer on approaches that would be awesome.
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With the airplane symbol GPS overlaid on the plate, you can tell right where you are. So SA isn't difficult. You can see if you blew all the way through the approach and need to go missed or if you're wildly off track.

To make the timer automated it would have to pick the groundspeed closest to the published numbers to your actual groundspeed and know the times published on the plate, which isn't data that Seattle Avionics offers any of the players that are buying their geo-referenced plates to re-sell to all of us, I don't think. I think everyone except Garmin is using their geo-referenced plates still, I think.

And to really make it smart it'd have to adjust the time as your groundspeed changed if you weren't a perfect pilot. Ha.

None of that is particularly easy to do, given the raw data that they have available.

I don't care about the automation of the timer settings, so much as just that there's a timer you can get to when in approach plate mode, someday.

Set it however you want it and it can flash the whole plate when it expires or whatever. Can add sounds but they're useless without an audio cable to the panel. I hear the thing babbling at me with runway alerts but can't ever make out what it's actually saying without the audio cable. Haven't had it yell about terrain yet, but without the interconnect cable I doubt I'd ever hear it. I'd hear it babbling about something just barely, and know I needed to look at it, but not what it was saying.

Nothing fancy needed. Just a timer and a way to rid the cockpit of another device.

Right now I either use a kitchen timer or hang the iPhone in a Ram mount on the side window and use it only for timing, since it's the "backup device" to the iPad anyway. iPhone is an expensive stopwatch when needed. LOL.

And nothing I've ever tried is loud enough to be heard unless the audio cable is plugged into the audio panel, but any timers that flash the hell out of the screen work ok to get your attention, if you dropped them from your scan, which you shouldn't anyway... But it happens. Flash flash flash is the best way to regain your attention if needed.

The kitchen timer is louder than any of my iOS devices turned all the way up ok volume.

Only downside to using the phone as a timer is that you're burning battery in the "backup device". There's always a charger cable in the cigar lighter or nearby but stringing the cable across the cockpit or moving the devices to a place where that cable isn't in the way of things, is a bit of a pain.

You can of course extend the battery immensely by turning off everything like BT and wifi and cellular data, but I rarely bother. I just kill all the apps manually and try to keep the backlighting as low as is necessary unless I'm trying to stretch a battery for a long day of flying.
 
Battery powered watches are like Velcro strapped shoes.


I'll keep my trusty automatic chrono.
 
Like with the iPhone/iPad, the real utility of the Apple Watch will become apparent one developers start cranking out apps.

The "Taptic" feedback opens all sorts of possibilities.

Off the top of my head, how about a tactile signal for traffic? The watch could vibrate in a manner so as to alert to the approximate azimuth and distance to conflicting traffic. At the very least draw your eyes to the right quadrant of the sky before confirming it elsewhere in the cockpit.

Silly? Maybe. But think of the apps developers have brought to the iPhone/iPad/Android ecosystems.

The sky may be the limit!
 
flyingcheesehead said:
You owe me $50.

Pre-orders don't start until Friday. ;)

But, I'm not planning on ordering one just yet. I have a great deal of respect for Andy Inhatko's opinions on tech, and he's not quite sure about the Apple Watch yet. I'm not either, for pretty much the same reason. With the iPhone, I was all too eager to get rid of my old cell phone. Cell phones really sucked until the iPhone came along, and they really changed the world. With the iPad, it was mainly ForeFlight that prompted my interest as I'd been searching for a way to do electronic approach plates for years and the iPad was cheaper, better, and did more than anything else that was out at the time.

But, like Andy Inhatko, I'm just not sure what the Apple Watch will do for me yet. I haven't done a ton of research on it yet either, but I don't feel a compelling reason quite yet. I need to hold it in my hand, put it on my wrist, and see if it's really going to do anything for me, especially at the prices they're charging. I might just wait for gen 2 on this one.
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I have two problems that will keep me from ordering version 1:

1) I don't normally wear a watch anyway; since I work on computers all day, my wrists touch the desk behind the keyboard, and a watch band is irritating to the tendons, sweaty, and I just end up taking it off. I wear a watch on RARE occasions, like a formal event (where I'm leaving my phone put away).

2) Exactly what Andy said--it seems that they're trying to do TOO much with the watch. I don't want to look at pictures and read my FB feed on my watch. Think about how you use a watch--quickly swing your wrist up, take a look, then put it back down. Remember "carpal tunnel"? I think I need to go back to school and become an orthopedic surgeon. There's going to be several million people with shoulder injuries, supraspinatus impingement issues, etc. in the near future.
 
TangoWhiskey said:
I have two problems that will keep me from ordering version 1:

1) I don't normally wear a watch anyway; since I work on computers all day, my wrists touch the desk behind the keyboard, and a watch band is irritating to the tendons, sweaty, and I just end up taking it off. I wear a watch on RARE occasions, like a formal event (where I'm leaving my phone put away).

2) Exactly what Andy said--it seems that they're trying to do TOO much with the watch. I don't want to look at pictures and read my FB feed on my watch. Think about how you use a watch--quickly swing your wrist up, take a look, then put it back down. Remember "carpal tunnel"? I think I need to go back to school and become an orthopedic surgeon. There's going to be several million people with shoulder injuries, supraspinatus impingement issues, etc. in the near future.
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So you're waiting for the iCockring too?:lol: They should have come out with his and hers genital stimulators first.:rofl:
 
James331 said:
I'll keep my trusty automatic chrono.
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Yeah, that. Just wearing it keep it wound. Also, I like all stainless watches, and the larger face all stainless model is $999. I don't see any value at that price, especially as it will be obsolete in three years.
 
And there it is:

ForeFlight for Apple Watch is coming soon.

Apple Watch is the first product Apple has designed to be worn and represents a new chapter in the relationship pilots have with technology. It brings a fresh opportunity for us to deliver new experiences that make interacting with ForeFlight Mobile and important flight information easier and more personal. We are excited to share with you this preview of ForeFlight for Apple Watch.

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At-a-Glance Weather and Time

With a flick of the wrist, ForeFlight displays nearby flight conditions, as well as local and zulu time using the Apple Watch Glances feature. Know when flight conditions are above minimums and forget having to do local-to-zulu time conversions in your head!

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ADS-B Weather to Your Wrist

With a Stratus on board and connected to iPhone, ADS-B weather is delivered right to ForeFlight for Apple Watch. In flight and on the ground, easily view current METARs for airports in your recents and favorites lists.

Customizable Flight Instruments

A customizable dashboard of flight instruments helps you keep track of information like ETE, ETA, distance to destination, track, ground speed, GPS altitude, and more. Configure the instrument layout to suit your preferences.

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Flight Notifications and Timers

Apple Watch delivers the ForeFlight flight notifications that you are used to, but in a more convenient way. Get a discreet wrist tap as soon as an expected route clearance is issued. Keep tabs on total flight time or timed approaches in the Timers view.

Get Ready

An iPhone 5 or later running iOS 8.2 or higher is required to run ForeFlight for Apple Watch. The iPhone installs supported applications on Apple Watch and manages communications between the devices. Without an iPhone, you cannot install Apple Watch applications at this time.

Pre-orders begin today, April 10th, and Apple Watch goes on sale April 24th.

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Just got an e- mail from foreflight.they are going to be an app on the apple watch. Have to have stratus and an I phone to get the info in flight. They are taking orders now.
 
I'll be interested to hear the reports back on the actual usefulness. I'm not seeing it for me because my left index finger lives on the yoke pretty much the whole flight. I fly the plane with one hand and work the plane with the other. With that I need two hands to work the systems.
 
For flying, yes, I suspect the usefulness may be limited.

For daily life, the best part about a smart watch I've found are giving you the "notifications" from the phone. A $99 Pebble does that great though.

For this reason, I would not want to go back to a "dumb" watch at this point.
 
When they cram the smartphone and camera into one I may get one.

Until then I'll keep my Rolex date/just. It get's the chicks!

Maybe not the most forthright chicks, but who cares? :lol:
 
ForeFlight has helped to sell lots of iPads.

I wonder if this move will help increase sales of Watches.
 
Frankly, I'd rather the do something they have no intention of doing, and that's to release an app for Android.
 
txflyer said:
When they cram the smartphone and camera into one I may get one.
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The Samsung one has the camera in the wristband already. Apple didn't do it.

And FF put timers on the watch before putting them in the App?! Grrrr.
 
Raise your hand if you think FF for Apple watch will be free. I'm going to guess separate subscription, regardless of what subscription one already has. At least that's my hope - need more reasons to not buy it. :)

Pebble for $99 seems like a better bargain and is supported by wingX.

My foreflight ran out this week. Deciding which one to try this year.
 
Smart watches have been around for years...what makes this special? Is it another "piece of fruit" deal?
 
TazzyTazzy said:
Raise your hand if you think FF for Apple watch will be free. I'm going to guess separate subscription, regardless of what subscription one already has. At least that's my hope - need more reasons to not buy it. :)

Pebble for $99 seems like a better bargain and is supported by wingX.

My foreflight ran out this week. Deciding which one to try this year.
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Watch is included with any ForeFlight subscription, no extra charge. Requires an iPhone though (Apple requirement).
 
For simple scrolling and the like, the iphone can be operated with one hand. Seems like the apple watch will require both hands (or a hand and a wrist) for any operation...? Or will it respond to wrist motions? I used to be a futurist, but as I stand still, I think I'm becoming a Luddite...
 
SkyHog said:
Smart watches have been around for years...what makes this special? Is it another "piece of fruit" deal?
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The usual "fit and finish" and integration of an Apple product, that's all. It's not perfect, but it looks like a solid offering.
 
Circuit Flyer said:
For simple scrolling and the like, the iphone can be operated with one hand. Seems like the apple watch will require both hands (or a hand and a wrist) for any operation...? Or will it respond to wrist motions? I used to be a futurist, but as I stand still, I think I'm becoming a Luddite...
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The only iAnything I have is my iPad. I only have it due to flight apps being more advanced than their android counterparts... For example:Garmim pilot. Crap on android, great on iOS.

So... iPhone only and not work on ipad?

Too bad I have an xgps160 on Bluetooth and won't be able to connect to apple-watch. Or maybe, too bad ipad only has one Bluetooth radio.

Same issue will happen for those with a Garmim flight stream....
 
TazzyTazzy said:
Raise your hand if you think FF for Apple watch will be free. I'm going to guess separate subscription, regardless of what subscription one already has. At least that's my hope - need more reasons to not buy it. :)



Pebble for $99 seems like a better bargain and is supported by wingX.



My foreflight ran out this week. Deciding which one to try this year.
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I think it's already in the version they released today. No mention of additional price.
 
dans2992 said:
For flying, yes, I suspect the usefulness may be limited.

For daily life, the best part about a smart watch I've found are giving you the "notifications" from the phone. A $99 Pebble does that great though.

For this reason, I would not want to go back to a "dumb" watch at this point.
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I prefer no watch.:D
 
txflyer said:
When they cram the smartphone and camera into one I may get one.

Until then I'll keep my Rolex date/just. It get's the chicks!

Maybe not the most forthright chicks, but who cares? :lol:
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I bet you I have a $15 watch from the Metropolitain Museum of Art that gets more.:D The only times I ever wear it (or any watch for that matter unless I'm under water) I'm in a room full of people with watches where the Rolexes aren't the expensive ones. I never see gals asking any of the rest of them to see their watches.:D It worked out well at the Cannes film festival.
 
I tried one on last night at the Apple Store. I was thinking the bigger one would be too big and gaudy but actually it's a nice size. Really about the same size and thickness as my Brietling. The smaller one is definitely aimed at the ladies and people with good near vision.
 
I pre ordered last night. I tend not want to be an early adopter. I know the 2nd version will have many improvements over the 1st. I have been searching for an aviation watch and I am thinking that the flexibility to set up the watch the way you want it will be a great feature. I found the almost perfect watch, but it was ugly and more expensive than the apple. I am sure that I could have found a cheap watch to do what I wanted, but this is an easy solution that I can modify as my flying needs/wants change. It is possible it will end up being a flying only watch.

$700.00 for a watch that might end up being dedicated to flying might be hard to justify, however if I were going make decisions on being able to justify them, I would not own an airplane. In the world of airplane ownership where we spend AMU's for insurance, upgrades, hangers, fuel, etc. the cost of the watch does not a big issue.

Jim
 
Way too much money for a watch you can't go swimming with. I think the FF function will be limited, awkward and redundant, but I'll let you guys go first and convince me later.:D
 
They look like they belong on a 14 year old girl. Not a 40 year old pilot.

Why not just get a pink swatch and be done with it?

Show the world your true self. Come on out of that closet. We'll even bake a cake for your celebration! :lol:
 
Don't worry - in about 3 years you'll be forced to upgrade to the next version. At your expense.
 
Art VanDelay said:
I tried one on last night at the Apple Store. I was thinking the bigger one would be too big and gaudy but actually it's a nice size. Really about the same size and thickness as my Brietling. The smaller one is definitely aimed at the ladies and people with good near vision.
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How was the readability on the big one?
 
Henning said:
How was the readability on the big one?
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It seemed fine. The haptic vibration would also get your attention. There are different ones as well. For instance if you had programmed in a walking route it would vibrate differently to indicate a left turn from a right turn and so on.
 
Art VanDelay said:
It seemed fine. The haptic vibration would also get your attention. There are different ones as well. For instance if you had programmed in a walking route it would vibrate differently to indicate a left turn from a right turn and so on.
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You have just mentioned a feature that interests me, having a walking route programmed and not having to look at the directions, that would be of significant use to me... Some old cities are a freaking warren.
 
Henning said:
You have just mentioned a feature that interests me, having a walking route programmed and not having to look at the directions, that would be of significant use to me... Some old cities are a freaking warren.
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Especially Amsterdam. You think you're going in a cardinal direction but then the street starts a curve that's so gradual you don't even realize it and boom the INS inside your head is completely discombobulated.
 
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