N/A Better car lights?

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Being that some unlighted two-lane roads up in damnearwisconsin near my house are really, really dark, ...I've been slowing and occasionally trying to ride with my brights to see in some spots...I'm wondering if I can just add some driving lights and not p* off as many other drivers.

I see that HID light kits are illegal and prolly not what I want to spend anyway.

I'm thinking if I can thrown out a contained flat, low, but long beam that's what I need. Something like these?
http://www.slickcar.com/productdetails.asp?ProductID=205
( I fully expect those are tres cheeep.)

Any advice?
 
Why are HID kits illegal? I see HID kits being sold for several models of cars, my BMW for one.

DOT rules say you can only have a sealed beam, you know, because there was such a problem with the reflector rusting away in 1930. :(
 
I went with blue lights in my 2000 model without a problem and vision improved dramatically. I have to wonder how luxury brands sell their product in your area when most all of them have HID systems from the factory.
 
I'm not sure which car you're talking about, Mike, which does have some influence on my advice. That said, proper lighting is of significant concern to me, and almost every vehicle I've owned I've done something to improve the lighting on. Here're some tips:

The first thing to concern yourself with is whether or not your headlights will blind oncoming drivers. This has to do with the bulb/lens combination (whether the lens is designed to throw light and where the bulb throws light). To that end, driving lights generally throw light more like high beams than like low beams. They work fine for you on high beam settings, then, but can be problematic on low beam. I don't know for you what is a bigger concern, low beam or high beam lighting.

Brand makes a difference in the driving lights you get, but generally anything is better than nothing. I've used Hellas and off-brands. Hellas do work better.

These days, there are a lot of DOT-approved headlight replacements that, by themselves, are significant improvements. I recently installed a set of these headlights on my 2000 Ford Excursion. A little bit of rewiring was required (only because I wired them to keep the low beams on with the high beams). What I bought did come with an HID kit. Unfortunately, the HIDs it came with are 6000K bulbs. The number is the temperature color, and more is not always better. 4200-5000K is ideal. 6000K is advertised as "super white" but is actually a hair on the blueish side. Even so, the lighting is phenomenal. Because the bulbs are in projector lenses that are designed properly, there is no light thrown at a level that blinds oncoming drivers. I have not had a single person flash their high beams at me with them. For comparison, I get high beam flashes on my motorcycle frequently.

If you look on eBay, a lot of these lens setups exist for virtually every car. I would bet that just something like this, even with normal bulbs, would make a significant improvement. After years, headlights get old and don't throw as much light as they used to. Most people I talk to who complain about not having enough light are driving older cars with higher mileage (like yours).

Another option: Get some Sylvania Silverstar bulbs. No worries about DOT approval, and they really are better. They are not just higher wattage bulbs (actually they're standard wattage), but Sylvania makes a better bulb with them.

Here are some bad pictures of my truck with the new lights:

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Another option: Get some Sylvania Silverstar bulbs. No worries about DOT approval, and they really are better. They are not just higher wattage bulbs (actually they're standard wattage), but Sylvania makes a better bulb with them.
i have those on my truck and like them a lot.
 
i have those on my truck and like them a lot.

I've had them in my Town Car and now in my Jag, and they made significant improvements for both.

One of my winter projects, though, is to try to retrofit some projectors with HIDs for the low beams, and some good high beams to the Jag.
 
I'm not sure which car you're talking about, Mike, which does have some influence on my advice. That said, proper lighting is of significant concern to me, and almost every vehicle I've owned I've done something to improve the lighting on. Here're some tips:

The 1991 Olds Silhouette for starters, which is why I'm not anxious to dump $200 on headlights.

I had the headlights aimed after I bought it. I gotta guess I get light out to maybe 200 feet.

I sometimes conscientiously have to look for the reflective lane stripes, at unlighted intersections more than any other.
 
Another option is there's a product called "PlastiX" that you can polish your headlight lenses with, and that would probably help. A friend of mine polishes his headlights by starting out with 1000 grit sandpaper down to 5000 grit and then PlastiX, says that it works well. I've considered trying it on the Jag's lights.

The Silverstar bulbs aren't cheap either, they're about $45 for a pair.
 
Uhhm Mike that article is from 2001. things have changed since then.
 
The Silverstar bulbs aren't cheap either, they're about $45 for a pair.
New lights for the M-Roadster run $100/pair :yikes::yikes:

I think I paid about $40/pair of Silver Stars for the truck. The thing that really annoyed me was that I wanted to put another pair of Wagner long lifes in. the first pair lasted 8 years! I also could not find triple edge wiper blades. It took me 11 years to go through the first pair of those!
 
New lights for the M-Roadster run $100/pair :yikes::yikes:

That's your own fault for buying a Bavarian Maintenance Wonder. ;)

I think I paid about $40/pair of Silver Stars for the truck. The thing that really annoyed me was that I wanted to put another pair of Wagner long lifes in. the first pair lasted 8 years! I also could not find triple edge wiper blades. It took me 11 years to go through the first pair of those!

Wow, my triple edge wiper blades lasted me 6 months on my Ram. I've yet to find windshield wipers that work to the level I want, other than brand new off the showroom floor.
 
I don't see the HID lights working any better on our Glass Skyhawks than those on the older Skyhawks. With that, I couldn't justify the cost for upgrading in a car.
 
I just go to walmart and pick up the generic driving/flood lights for $15ish and wire them separately from the headlight switch so I can turn them on regardless of the headlight high/low beam status. If they're mounted low and aimed sensibly, they don't bother oncoming traffic too much though turning them off is highly recommended and polite.

That said, mine are mounted above the bumper and aimed high and wide specifically for safety reasons (there are way way way too many deer and such where I typically drive at night on deserted pitch black mountain roads) I always turn them off when there is opposite direction traffic because if I don't I will blind them for at least a week.

P.S. Don't use that stupid inline plastic fuse cases that comes with the kit to power the lights. 110w pushed through that cheap junk melts it. Use a real fuse holder.
 
Yes big improvement - Walmart. Only downside is if you run them a lot they tend to go out about a Year later. Put your old ones in glovebox should you need them.

Going three years on my current set, still working great. They get pretty decent use. :)
 
P.S. Don't use that stupid inline plastic fuse cases that comes with the kit to power the lights. 110w pushed through that cheap junk melts it. Use a real fuse holder.

Yes, and use a switch rated for the load. Don't ask how I know this...


Trapper John
 
might not be the bulbs that are the problem, but the wiring harness and setup?

LMC Trucks sells a redesigned harness and relay setup that's gotten good reviews on a Dodge Board I hang out on http://www.dieselram.com - makes a big difference, I've read. It's on my list of items to do for my truck.
 
I just go to walmart and pick up the generic driving/flood lights for $15ish and wire them separately from the headlight switch so I can turn them on regardless of the headlight high/low beam status. If they're mounted low and aimed sensibly, they don't bother oncoming traffic too much though turning them off is highly recommended and polite.

That said, mine are mounted above the bumper and aimed high and wide specifically for safety reasons (there are way way way too many deer and such where I typically drive at night on deserted pitch black mountain roads) I always turn them off when there is opposite direction traffic because if I don't I will blind them for at least a week.

P.S. Don't use that stupid inline plastic fuse cases that comes with the kit to power the lights. 110w pushed through that cheap junk melts it. Use a real fuse holder.
That was my plan if those flat lights are really flat. Knowing they are in the realm of random $3 Chinese products I know I'd be almost guaranteed to be on the road to disappointment.

I'll get those Sylviana bulbs first.

THANKS, guys! Ya may have saved my life!
 
i hate people with bright ass headlights. nothing like getting blinded by Ted's excursion and its 10 spotlights.
 
i hate people with bright ass headlights. nothing like getting blinded by Ted's excursion and its 10 spotlights.

Nah, it's just got the upgraded normal lights. The Suburban I had set up with some pretty good lighting - highs and lows on at the same time plus some of those KC-style driving lights. But those were only used on the back roads when I was the only one around.

I've not been in a car around my Excursion while it's driving, so it's hard for me to say directly, but I haven't had a single person flash their high beams at me (and I drive on a lot of 2-lane roads at night), so I doubt they can be any more annoying than most other headlights. The projectors help a lot there. If you see my truck shine light on the garage wall, there is a definite line above which there is no light, below which there is light. Normal lenses don't do that.

Having the bright lights on these windy back roads with high deer population is a good safety feature, at least for me. I don't like hitting deer, and I've come close a few times because I haven't seen them.
 
Nah, it's just got the upgraded normal lights.

I've not been in a car around my Excursion while it's driving, so it's hard for me to say directly, but I haven't had a single person flash their high beams at me (and I drive on a lot of 2-lane roads at night), so I doubt they can be any more annoying than most other headlights.

The projectors help a lot there. If you see my truck shine light on the garage wall, there is a definite line above which there is no light, below which there is light. Normal lenses don't do that.

I've had trucks behind me where your line is above my mirrors and I'm getting enough light energy to toast bread. I usually try to adjust my outside mirrors to shoot it back into the truck driver's eyes.

I don't have high beams aimed out the back to flash at you. Besides, I don't do that.

I had one car with HIDs blind me just the other night. I don't think they were on bright.
 
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Being that some unlighted two-lane roads up in damnearwisconsin near my house are really, really dark, ...I've been slowing and occasionally trying to ride with my brights to see in some spots...I'm wondering if I can just add some driving lights and not p* off as many other drivers.

I see that HID light kits are illegal and prolly not what I want to spend anyway.

I'm thinking if I can thrown out a contained flat, low, but long beam that's what I need. Something like these?
http://www.slickcar.com/productdetails.asp?ProductID=205
( I fully expect those are tres cheeep.)

Any advice?

Try dimming the interior dash lights more. Your night vision is affected by the light in front of you. I have found by dimming the dash I can get better night vision.

Also, just replace your head lights with the best bulbs you can get. That helps and it's cheap.

JMHO.
 
Try dimming the interior dash lights more. Your night vision is affected by the light in front of you. I have found by dimming the dash I can get better night vision.

yep, until you get blinded by an oncoming truck.

i never minded it until i started flying at night and realized how good my night vision could be.
 
I've had trucks behind me where your line is above my mirrors and I'm getting enough light energy to toast bread. I usually try to adjust my outside mirrors to shoot it back into the truck driver's eyes.

I don't have high beams aimed out the back to flash at you. Besides, I don't do that.

I had one car with HIDs blind me just the other night. I don't think they were on bright.

AFaIK all (legal) HID headlights have some sort of automatic aiming system that compensates for pitch changes in the car. They also have a very sharp cutoff line so when aimed properly the amount of light emitted above a line from the top of the lights parallel to the ground should be no more than what you get with conventional sealed beam with the exception of meeting a car that's climbing a hill when you are on top of the hill.
 
I went with blue lights in my 2000 model without a problem and vision improved dramatically. I have to wonder how luxury brands sell their product in your area when most all of them have HID systems from the factory.

Just be carefull coming at me on a dark road, because I will try to shoot those lights out, if I hit you in the process, sorry, but you were trying to kill me by blinding me on a dark road, so it's self defense.
 
Just be carefull coming at me on a dark road, because I will try to shoot those lights out, if I hit you in the process, sorry, but you were trying to kill me by blinding me on a dark road, so it's self defense.
Uhmm.....
 
One thing that will kill a Silverstar bulb quickly is failure to wipe ALL the crap off the bulb itself just prior to installing it into the headlamp body.
Any oils from your fingers remaining on the bulb will create a hotspot failure in a few hours of operation.

FWIW
Chris
 
One thing that will kill a Silverstar bulb quickly is failure to wipe ALL the crap off the bulb itself just prior to installing it into the headlamp body.
Any oils from your fingers remaining on the bulb will create a hotspot failure in a few hours of operation.

Or don't touch a halogen bulb at all without gloves. The household ones say that. I have some disposable gloves, if latex isn't a problem.
 
Just be carefull coming at me on a dark road, because I will try to shoot those lights out, if I hit you in the process, sorry, but you were trying to kill me by blinding me on a dark road, so it's self defense.

Uhmm.....

Yep, for a person with excellent night vision, those damned blue lights are painfully blinding because the cause all that violet junk in your night adjusted eyes to go away. same as walking out of a dark room into the sunlight, and it causes problems. There is no need for those lights. If you can't drive at night with a normal set of tungsten headlights aimed properly, you shouldn't be driving at night, end of story.
 
turn on as many as you like - I have plenty of magazines full of .45 ACP ... :-)
 
What with these kinds of HID kits?

http://www.dealextreme.com/products.dx/category.711
(These guys are one box from the $1.50 a day Chinese factories.)

It looks like they have bulbs you slide in to the current reflector? How do you know they'll fit?

Can't tell offhand how they'd fit but did you see this quote from their fine print:

"we officially endorse the kit for exhibition and off-road use and will only sell the kit to be used for these purposes."
 
Another option: Get some Sylvania Silverstar bulbs. No worries about DOT approval, and they really are better. They are not just higher wattage bulbs (actually they're standard wattage), but Sylvania makes a better bulb with them.
Leslie just 10 minutes ago finished replacing the bulbs in the truck after one of the old ones burned out. Unfortunately, she hadn't read this thread when she went to get the replacements. Fortunately, she selected Sylvania Silverstars anyway!:thumbsup: They're 4000K, just a bit below your ideal of 4200-5000K. They also have a Silverstar Ultra that is 4100K and is advertised to last 30% longer than the Silverstar (http://www.sylvania.com/AboutUs/Pressxpress/Pressnews/PressArchive/2006/SilverStarUltra.htm).
 
Leslie just 10 minutes ago finished replacing the bulbs in the truck after one of the old ones burned out. Unfortunately, she hadn't read this thread when she went to get the replacements. Fortunately, she selected Sylvania Silverstars anyway!:thumbsup: They're 4000K, just a bit below your ideal of 4200-5000K. They also have a Silverstar Ultra that is 4100K and is advertised to last 30% longer than the Silverstar (http://www.sylvania.com/AboutUs/Pressxpress/Pressnews/PressArchive/2006/SilverStarUltra.htm).

Thanks for link, Grant. I picked up a pair of the Sylvania Ultras at Pep Boys. BTW, they have a $15 rebate. The manager came by to help me and told me, which was good, because I was about to leave and check the prices online. He also verified that you just replace the bulbs. He wanted to know how I knew the part number. :D

I'll put 'em in tomorrow.

I also spotted some similar driving lights like those cheap "flat beam" I linked to above. I think the term on the displays "HID light look" tells it all. I wasn't going for bling, thanks.
 
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