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Hey guys, I'll most likely do my commercial multi add on at Traverse Air in October and I want to get a good book on multi flying. Do you guys have any recommendations or is the Airplane Flying Handbook, Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge, and the stuff they send me from Traverse Air sufficient? Thanks in advanced!
 
Tom will make it so easy and his examiners are top quality. Just watch a YouTube video on multi engine aerodynamics and you will know all you need to know.
 
NJP_MAN said:
Tom will make it so easy and his examiners are top quality. Just watch a YouTube video on multi engine aerodynamics and you will know all you need to know.
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Awesome. That's great to hear! You did you multi at Traverse Air right?
 
Yes I did. I had a good knowledge of Multi concepts going in and since you're an instructor I'm sure you will find that Tom's program is the best available. It was 3 days due to weather but there is no reason that 2 days is not enough otherwise. The plane is so easy and the approach to KCAD is simple as well.
 
There isn't a whole lot to the multi. The stuff in the AFH is sufficient.
 
Usually the materials you will need,are provided by the FBO,giving the training.
 
Don't worry about it too much with Tom or Bob. Tom will send you a packet ahead of time with everything you need to know about the Apache and passing the checkride.

Or a PDF, I can't remember. I know he sent me a packet for my SES, but don't recall for the multi if it was hard copy or eCopy.
 
This document from ATP is pretty much all you need. Very clear, very concise. It's is for the Seminole, but basics apply to all twins and just skip the Seminole specifics.
 

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Except, see if you can buy it straight from Bob. Then it will be signed by the author and he will make more than the $0.57 that he likely gets from Amazon.:yesnod:
 
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EdFred said:
Don't worry about it too much with Tom or Bob. Tom will send you a packet ahead of time with everything you need to know about the Apache and passing the checkride.

Or a PDF, I can't remember. I know he sent me a packet for my SES, but don't recall for the multi if it was hard copy or eCopy.
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It was electronic spread across a few files.
 
I'll be ordering The Complete Multi Engine Pilot as well as use whatever study material Tom sends me. Thanks all!
 
kgruber said:
Except, see if you can buy it straight from Bob. Then it will be signed by the author and he will make more than the $0.57 that he likely gets from Amazon.:yesnod:
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Say whaaaaaaaaaaa???

Man, if I had known that, I would have bought it directly from Bob then. Dang.

Mr. Bob, can I send my book to you (with a pre-stamped return envelope) for you to sign?
 
BigBadLou said:
Say whaaaaaaaaaaa???

Man, if I had known that, I would have bought it directly from Bob then. Dang.

Mr. Bob, can I send my book to you (with a pre-stamped return envelope) for you to sign?
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I don't have any books to sell...I am under contract to ASA and they have a distributor/retailer network that is doing just fine. Send your book to PO Box 995, Renton, WA 98057. I do have a much-dogeared desk copy and you will have to pry it from my cold dead hands.

After ASA, the distributor, and the retailer take their cuts I get $1.69 for each book sold.

Bob
 
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bobmrg said:
Send your book to PO Box 995, Renton, WA 98057. I do have a much-dogeared desk copy and you will have to pry it from my cold dead hands.
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Mr. Bob, no worries, I will not be prying anything out of your hands.
I have a media mail envelope ready to go in the morning.
Thank you in advance.
Lou
 
jordane93 said:
Hey guys, I'll most likely do my commercial multi add on at Traverse Air in October and I want to get a good book on multi flying. Do you guys have any recommendations or is the Airplane Flying Handbook, Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge, and the stuff they send me from Traverse Air sufficient? Thanks in advanced!
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There is one issue that is typically not addressed in the quickie ME courses and that is fuel planning. In SE flying we are taught that fuel left on the ground is useless and that we should carry as much as we can, only leaving some behind if we have to meet gross weight limitations.

Multi engine changes this, because having more fuel than you need, limits your options, and ability to climb out, when you lose an engine. This is especially true in low power twins, many of which have very poor, or negative, ability to climb on a single engine at gross; however if you are 10-20% under gross they do ok.

Performance is a matter of Weight:Excess Horsepower, so you want your weight as low as you can go so 50% HP is greater than required to maintain the required climb gradient at take off.

There is also the matter of briefing every take off so you know where your best options between chopping both throttles or continuing on OEI change.
 
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Booked with Tom November 14-15. Starting to look over the study material now!
 
Henning said:
There is one issue that is typically not addressed in the quickie ME courses and that is fuel planning. In SE flying we are taught that fuel left on the ground is useless and that we should carry as much as we can, only leaving some behind if we have to meet gross weight limitations.

Multi engine changes this, because having more fuel than you need, limits your options, and ability to climb out, when you lose an engine. This is especially true in low power twins, many of which have very poor, or negative, ability to climb on a single engine at gross; however if you are 10-20% under gross they do ok.

Performance is a matter of Weight:Excess Horsepower, so you want your weight as low as you can go so 50% HP is greater than required to maintain the required climb gradient at take off.

There is also the matter of briefing every take off so you know where your best options between chopping both throttles or continuing on OEI change.
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I advocate what I call "constructive paranoia." "I'm going to lose an engine before I get to rotation speed." With that barrier passed: "I'm going to lose an engine before I get to 100 feet." etc with a plan in mind for each eventuality. Saved my butt a couple of times.

Bob
 
jordane93 said:
Booked with Tom November 14-15. Starting to look over the study material now!
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Where are you flying into? Or are you coming out GA?
Is he doing the ME at CAD or TVC now? I heard he was down at Cadillac, but hadn't looked to see if that was true.
 
EdFred said:
Where are you flying into? Or are you coming out GA?
Is he doing the ME at CAD or TVC now? I heard he was down at Cadillac, but hadn't looked to see if that was true.
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I'll be airlining it in. In the email he said he is out of CAD now. I'll be flying into TVC via DTW most likely
 
Look into GRR if you're getting a rental car. Probably be a lot cheaper, and only a 25 minute further drive. The scenery is TVC is a lot better though.

When you're in, let me know, we can grab a bite or something.
 
EdFred said:
Look into GRR if you're getting a rental car. Probably be a lot cheaper, and only a 25 minute further drive. The scenery is TVC is a lot better though.

When you're in, let me know, we can grab a bite or something.
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Sounds like a plan to me. Thanks for the heads up! My dad is toying around with getting his seaplane rating so he might be joining me.
 
bobmrg said:
I advocate what I call "constructive paranoia." "I'm going to lose an engine before I get to rotation speed." With that barrier passed: "I'm going to lose an engine before I get to 100 feet." etc with a plan in mind for each eventuality. Saved my butt a couple of times.

Bob
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Exactly. The thing about ME flying that makes it more difficult is not the flying part, really that's all quite simple. It's that having two engines presents more options, and you have to calculate when to execute which option to best effect.
 
bobmrg said:
I advocate what I call "constructive paranoia." "I'm going to lose an engine before I get to rotation speed." With that barrier passed: "I'm going to lose an engine before I get to 100 feet." etc with a plan in mind for each eventuality. Saved my butt a couple of times.

Bob
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This is a good way of thinking about it.
 
Another Tom Brady alumnus here. Study the systems in advance. Commit the flows to memory. Tom is not going to spend a bunch of time on the ground going over systems, so make sure you learn them in advance. Don't be surprised- you're going to be doing touch-and-go take offs and landings so understand that there will be limited time for debrief on each landing. You've got to switch from landing mindset to takeoff mindset very quickly. Commit the critical airspeeds and power settings to memory. You're only going to have one or two nights to study during training so get your stuff figured out ASAP.

P.S. no complaints with the Hampton Inn in Cadillac MI. Close to the airport and next door to a Mexican Restaurant to slurp down HH margaritas while studying. Traverse City is nice but is a long 45 minute drive to CAD where the airplane is.
 
jordane93 said:
Sounds like a plan to me. Thanks for the heads up! My dad is toying around with getting his seaplane rating so he might be joining me.
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My buddy joined me and did his seaplane rating too. Lots of driving back and forth between CAD and Tom's home outside of Traverse City.
 
Brad Z said:
Another Tom Brady alumnus here. Study the systems in advance. Commit the flows to memory. Tom is not going to spend a bunch of time on the ground going over systems, so make sure you learn them in advance. Don't be surprised- you're going to be doing touch-and-go take offs and landings so understand that there will be limited time for debrief on each landing. You've got to switch from landing mindset to takeoff mindset very quickly. Commit the critical airspeeds and power settings to memory. You're only going to have one or two nights to study during training so get your stuff figured out ASAP.

P.S. no complaints with the Hampton Inn in Cadillac MI. Close to the airport and next door to a Mexican Restaurant to slurp down HH margaritas while studying. Traverse City is nice but is a long 45 minute drive to CAD where the airplane is.
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Yep. I'm already starting to study. I want to know the procedures cold. Hopefully weather holds out.
 
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