Mrs 6PC takes the mic.

SixPapaCharlie

SixPapaCharlie

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Our field is now on liveATC and that seemed like a good excuse to outsource some radio work to Mrs. 6PC last night.

Her first at bat on the radio. I think she did great
http://www.nflightphoto.com/Mrs6PC.mp3

My job is getting easier :)
 
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Two turntables and a super mike....
 
Can she teach my wife how to use the radios?

Who am I kidding... can she teach ME?

Nice work, Mrs6PC!
 
Very NICE! I have been trying to get my wife to use the radio, and she is WAY scared
 
:blush: Thank you all. It was a little stressful. He wrote out what I should say, but not my responses back to the tower, so I flubbed one of those, which he kindly edited out. He played this back to me later that night, and it was really weird to hear it again. I stumbled a bit, but I guess that just means I need more practice. :D
 
Mrs. SixPapaCharlie said:
:blush: Thank you all. It was a little stressful. He wrote out what I should say, but not my responses back to the tower, so I flubbed one of those, which he kindly edited out. He played this back to me later that night, and it was really weird to hear it again. I stumbled a bit, but I guess that just means I need more practice. :D
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I still stumble now and then. And my 26,000+ hour instructor stumbles once in a while, too. It happens. The trick is not to freeze up. Accept that you stumbled, figure out what you meant to say and then say that. (Easier said than done, but it comes with practice.)

For what it's worth, without Bryan's introduction to the audio we'd never be able to tell it wasn't a licensed pilot on the radio.
 
that's some smooooth talkin right thar.
 
Mrs. SixPapaCharlie said:
:blush: Thank you all. It was a little stressful. He wrote out what I should say, but not my responses back to the tower, so I flubbed one of those, which he kindly edited out. He played this back to me later that night, and it was really weird to hear it again. I stumbled a bit, but I guess that just means I need more practice. :D
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Just realize that it should have no more stress involved than telling the barista that you want a low-fat double double mochaccino. Seriously, just some guy at the other end of the mic paid to take your order.
 
Mrs. SixPapaCharlie said:
:blush: Thank you all. It was a little stressful. He wrote out what I should say, but not my responses back to the tower, so I flubbed one of those, which he kindly edited out. He played this back to me later that night, and it was really weird to hear it again. I stumbled a bit, but I guess that just means I need more practice. :D
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One little mod for your well delivered calls, you only need to use the 'Tampico' full call sign on the initial call, after that 'six pappa Charlie' is all you need. Nice voice.;)
 
mjburian said:
I still stumble now and then. And my 26,000+ hour instructor stumbles once in a while, too. It happens. The trick is not to freeze up. Accept that you stumbled, figure out what you meant to say and then say that. (Easier said than done, but it comes with practice.)

For what it's worth, without Bryan's introduction to the audio we'd never be able to tell it wasn't a licensed pilot on the radio.
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Some of the funniest thing on the radio happen when people stumble, I'm not immune either. Some ATC guys are decent comedians.
 
Henning said:
One little mod for your well delivered calls, you only need to use the 'Tampico' full call sign on the initial call, after that 'six pappa Charlie' is all you need. Nice voice.;)
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Whoop. That was bad coaching.
we're going to keep at it until I can take naps during flight number.
 
my personal preference is "with information yadda" as opposed to "with the #s". I know this was discussed in another thread, but I just go by when you dial up the ATIS, they'll say "advise you have information yadda", not "advise you have the #s". same difference. again, just my personal preference, clearly "the #s" works just fine.
 
Kdto specifically asked me to use the numbers. He said it was because they have an asos instead of atis
 
eman1200 said:
my personal preference is "with information yadda" as opposed to "with the #s". I know this was discussed in another thread, but I just go by when you dial up the ATIS, they'll say "advise you have information yadda", not "advise you have the #s". same difference. again, just my personal preference, clearly "the #s" works just fine.
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I agree with this when the field has an ATIS....

However, Denton does not. The local convention, proper or bad form or otherwise, is to say "with the numbers". It's what our tower and ground controllers are expecting to hear.

As an alternative, I sometimes substitute "..with the weather information" in place "with the numbers". But even then, since the controller didn't hear "numbers", I'll get the full recitation of weather info as he is required to do when I didn't tell him I had that.
 
Kind of an odd situation to have a tower and no ATIS, can't remember running into that.
 
Henning said:
Kind of an odd situation to have a tower and no ATIS, can't remember running into that.
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Had wondered about that too. Finally got an answer recently... well, two... pick the one you like the best....

  1. They had the ASOS for a loong time and what ever device it is was a good one and has yet to fail bad enough to warrant scrapping and replacing with ATIS style equipment.
  2. After the Delta L1011 crash at DFW from the microburst in 1985, the automated station was installed at surrounding airports such as Denton to give the weather wizards some warning before the bad weather came across DFW.

Both answers come from credible sources. I have not continued digging to find the real answer.
 
AggieMike88 said:
Had wondered about that too. Finally got an answer recently... well, two... pick the one you like the best....

  1. They had the ASOS for a loong time and what ever device it is was a good one and has yet to fail bad enough to warrant scrapping and replacing with ATIS style equipment.
  2. After the Delta L1011 crash at DFW from the microburst in 1985, the automated station was installed at surrounding airports such as Denton to give the weather wizards some warning before the bad weather came across DFW.

Both answers come from credible sources. I have not continued digging to find the real answer.
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ASOS (Automated Surface Observing System) and ATIS (Automatic Terminal Information System) are entirely different types of equipment which serve entirely different purposes. One does not replace the other.

ASOS is a weather system that measures visibility, temperature, dew point, sky cover, etc., and produces METAR and SPECI observations which are disseminated via the weather networks. The ASOS may or may not broadcast the weather via radio and/or telephone.
d. Automated Surface Observing System (ASOS)/Automated Weather Sensor System (AWSS). The ASOS/AWSS is the primary surface weather observing system of the U.S. (See Key to Decode an ASOS/AWSS (METAR) Observation, FIG 7-1-9 and FIG 7-1-10.) The program to install and operate these systems throughout the U.S. is a joint effort of the NWS, the FAA and the Department of Defense. AWSS is a follow-on program that provides identical data as ASOS. ASOS/AWSS is designed to support aviation operations and weather forecast activities. The ASOS/AWSS will provide continuous minute-by-minute observations and perform the basic observing functions necessary to generate an aviation routine weather report (METAR) and other aviation weather information. The information may be transmitted over a discrete VHF radio frequency or the voice portion of a local NAVAID. ASOS/AWSS transmissions on a discrete VHF radio frequency are engineered to be receivable to a maximum of 25 NM from the ASOS/AWSS site and a maximum altitude of 10,000 feet AGL. At many locations, ASOS/AWSS signals may be received on the surface of the airport, but local conditions may limit the maximum reception distance and/or altitude. While the automated system and the human may differ in their methods of data collection and interpretation, both produce an observation quite similar in form and content. For the "objective" elements such as pressure, ambient temperature, dew point temperature, wind, and precipitation accumulation, both the automated system and the observer use a fixed location and time-averaging technique. The quantitative differences between the observer and the automated observation of these elements are negligible. For the "subjective" elements, however, observers use a fixed time, spatial averaging technique to describe the visual elements (sky condition, visibility and present weather), while the automated systems use a fixed location, time averaging technique. Although this is a fundamental change, the manual and automated techniques yield remarkably similar results within the limits of their respective capabilities.
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ATIS is simply a system to record and broadcast information.
4-1-13. Automatic Terminal Information Service (ATIS)

a. ATIS is the continuous broadcast of recorded noncontrol information in selected high activity terminal areas. Its purpose is to improve controller effectiveness and to relieve frequency congestion by automating the repetitive transmission of essential but routine information. The information is continuously broadcast over a discrete VHF radio frequency or the voice portion of a local NAVAID. Arrival ATIS transmissions on a discrete VHF radio frequency are engineered according to the individual facility requirements, which would normally be a protected service volume of 20 NM to 60 NM from the ATIS site and a maximum altitude of 25,000 feet AGL. In the case of a departure ATIS, the protected service volume cannot exceed 5 NM and 100 feet AGL. At most locations, ATIS signals may be received on the surface of the airport, but local conditions may limit the maximum ATIS reception distance and/or altitude. Pilots are urged to cooperate in the ATIS program as it relieves frequency congestion on approach control, ground control, and local control frequencies. The A/FD indicates airports for which ATIS is provided.

b. ATIS information includes the time of the latest weather sequence, ceiling, visibility, obstructions to visibility, temperature, dew point (if available), wind direction (magnetic), and velocity, altimeter, other pertinent remarks, instrument approach and runway in use. The ceiling/sky condition, visibility, and obstructions to vision may be omitted from the ATIS broadcast if the ceiling is above 5,000 feet and the visibility is more than 5 miles. The departure runway will only be given if different from the landing runway except at locations having a separate ATIS for departure. The broadcast may include the appropriate frequency and instructions for VFR arrivals to make initial contact with approach control. Pilots of aircraft arriving or departing the terminal area can receive the continuous ATIS broadcast at times when cockpit duties are least pressing and listen to as many repeats as desired. ATIS broadcast must be updated upon the receipt of any official hourly and special weather. A new recording will also be made when there is a change in other pertinent data such as runway change, instrument approach in use, etc.
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Henning said:
One little mod for your well delivered calls, you only need to use the 'Tampico' full call sign on the initial call, after that 'six pappa Charlie' is all you need. Nice voice.;)
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Incorrect. You may only abbreviate if the controller abbreviates.
 
Henning said:
Which they did, every time.;)
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If that's the case, then we're both correct.
It's been awhile since I listened to the audio.
I wanted to clarify your statement for those that were reading the thread.
 
Timmer said:
That's painful. I can't listen to any more...

I did like: "Well then I suggest you go back to the airport and pick it up."
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I listened to it the first time on the ramp and missed that at the beginning. Yes, that is sweet and the ATC guy does not sound too happy after that.
 
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