Most Dangerous Jobs

[AdamZ]

I found the stats here to be odd. I was surprised to see that Airlcraft Pilots and Flight engineers had the third highest rate of fatalities. I wonder if they included Military in this or perhaps they are including powerline patrol and Ag operations.

http://msn.careerbuilder.com/custom...9ab79258114d5399e5dd948f07e542-275653233-KA-5

 

[Ken Ibold]

I think there are methodology issues. Look at the second chart ... "management occupations" with a high death count due to highway accidents?

In a previous life I'd delve into the Census numbers and figure out what this writer MEANT, but now I'll just shake my head sadly and recall Mark Twain.

 

[AdamZ]

I bet they didn't even take work place STRESS into account as causing Heart Attacks and Strokes. I'd venture a guess that that would put it number one in every category.

 

[Ken Ibold]

I bet they didn't even take work place STRESS into account as causing Heart Attacks and Strokes. I'd venture a guess that that would put it number one in every category.

I love the line that says 63 percent of sales supervisor deaths are due to homicide. Now, I once knew a publisher who instilled that passion in her sales folks. My office was right next to hers, and hearing her run "sales meetings" that were chock full of shouted F-words, threats of firing etc. Really made me appreciate the management, let me tell you.

 

[wabower]

A good friend has a company that specializes in packaging workers' comp for employers. His rate chart is much different and is based on actual claims.

I found the stats here to be odd. I was surprised to see that Airlcraft Pilots and Flight engineers had the third highest rate of fatalities. I wonder if they included Military in this or perhaps they are including powerline patrol and Ag operations.

http://msn.careerbuilder.com/custom...9ab79258114d5399e5dd948f07e542-275653233-KA-5

 

[Maxmosbey]

A friend of mine saw that, and said that he wasn't sure he wanted to fly with me any more. I told him that flying was not my job, so he was probably OK.

 

[rottydaddy]

I found the stats here to be odd. I was surprised to see that Airlcraft Pilots and Flight engineers had the third highest rate of fatalities. I wonder if they included Military in this or perhaps they are including powerline patrol and Ag operations.

http://msn.careerbuilder.com/custom...9ab79258114d5399e5dd948f07e542-275653233-KA-5

Don't forget the banner-tow guys...


I was talking to one last weekend who had a couple of hair-raising tales from just this season. The scariest one was about a guy who managed to snag the pickup loop (or whatever they call it) on the mains, instead of the hook- didn't get full power up in time, and the plane nosed over with predictable results (fatality).

I'd never considered that... most tow accidents are caused by mechanical problems.

 

[MedFlightDoc]

Those of us in the Helicopter EMS world are very acutely aware of the risks that we face, especially after this horrible year.

Including three friends of mine on May 10th...

We are taking a long hard look at what we do, why and how.

-Ryan in Madison

 

[wby0nder]

People tell me that I'm crazy when I mention I'm considering crop dusting. They say it's too dangerous. Here's what I'm doing now.

 

[steingar]

Are there still people functioning as flight engineers?

 

[KennyFlys]

Are there still people functioning as flight engineers?

For those aircraft which still require them, yep.

In the two-crewman birds, all the sytems and engine instrumentation is up front. The older birds, much of it is on a third station thereby requiring a third crew member.

 

[jesse]

In the two-crewman birds, all the sytems and engine instrumentation is up front. The older birds, much of it is on a third station thereby requiring a third crew member.

The main difference is that the development of computers allowed the aircraft to essentially become its own flight engineer. Computers allowed more detailed monitoring and actual logic to handle error. The presentation of the problem to the pilots has also improved drastically.

Back in the old days--there was just a lot more crap to monitor, interpret, and adjust.

 

[KennyFlys]

The main difference is that the development of computers allowed the aircraft to essentially become its own flight engineer. Computers allowed more detailed monitoring and actual logic to handle error. The presentation of the problem to the pilots has also improved drastically.

Back in the old days--there was just a lot more crap to monitor, interpret, and adjust.

Very true. Imagine trying to put this on an already crowded front panel.

707 Engineer's Panel:

Note the LED display... definitely not OEM.

Or, this.... 747-300 Engineer's Panel:

They give another meaning to "Look where you touch."

Weren't there some three crew member birds that were retrofitted to require only two crew members? I can't imagine the expense that would create nor believe it would even be cost effective.

 

[CJones]

People tell me that I'm crazy when I mention I'm considering crop dusting. They say it's too dangerous. Here's what I'm doing now.

Wow! I assume you brought the entire tree down later? Just make sure you don't cut out your path back down - and make sure your steps are spaced out so you don't have to streeeeeeeeetch. ha!

 

[tonycondon]

Wow! I assume you brought the entire tree down later? Just make sure you don't cut out your path back down - and make sure your steps are spaced out so you don't have to streeeeeeeeetch. ha!

the more impressive thing is that he probably fit the entire tree into his F-250 long box pickup in ONE load.

 

[Teller1900]

People tell me that I'm crazy when I mention I'm considering crop dusting. They say it's too dangerous. Here's what I'm doing now.

Don't most people just call you crazy, in general?

 

[One Short]

the more impressive thing is that he probably fit the entire tree into his F-250 long box pickup in ONE load.

Tailgate down or up?

Barb

 

[wby0nder]

Actually, that reminds me of another photo... Not one of an entire tree in the truck but one very large log that I was saving for the sawmill. I believe I needed 16 foot lumber for a project so the log is just a hair over 16 feet. Thats a standard F150 with the 8 foot box (plus 2 foot tailgate). Loaded without hydraulics by 1 person too!

 

[gkainz]

dang it - that was the last tree in Iowa, too!!!

 

[AWACSEng]

Yep, there's still a few of us around. Mostly mil types and cargo airlines. I don't think any of the domestic cattle cars use FE's any more. And for the record, that panel looks pretty small after 1000+ hrs of staring at it. Here's a bit more moder (circa 1980ish) E-3 (707-320B ) panel:

 

[flyingcheesehead]

People tell me that I'm crazy when I mention I'm considering crop dusting. They say it's too dangerous. Here's what I'm doing now.

Matt,

You know you can just cut down the entire tree all at once, right?

 

[wby0nder]

Matt,

You know you can just cut down the entire tree all at once, right?

When it's that straightforward they call someone else. It's the tricky ones that pay for my flying.