Misdemeanor AME

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AlvinFlight said:
Im just giving my experience, maybe 4 people have been positive out of the 30+. That's not a good look for the community and is pretty toxic. I've literally just been upfront and tried to be respectful but only so much can fly.
I get it, I'm doomed over something stupid.
I get it that my medical is hanging by a thread that can tip either way or be hung up for 5 months+ or even require a psychological evaluation which costs 3k+. I get it.
I mean a hang in there you can do it, or I knew xxx and they were fine or anything relatively positive to my future would be great instead of nailing me down and acting as if I'm permanently done for before it began.
I'm sure there's a silver lining, I'm sure there are atleast a handful with a similar fight who made it through. I seriously doubt the entire community is perfect and never did anything wrong. Most of you guys are just being dicks
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You’re largely misdirecting your anger. It’s the Faa’s rules you’re really mad at.
 
Salty said:
You’re largely misdirecting your anger. It’s the Faa’s rules you’re really mad at.
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And his own mistakes or errors in judgment.

Yes, we’ve all made them. Some of us were just lucky and escaped unscathed. Those of us who were not so lucky and had to pay the piper just need to know how to move forward without being angry at the whole damn world.
 
Salty said:
You’re largely misdirecting your anger. It’s the Faa’s rules you’re really mad at.
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I'm not angry, I'm worried that I wont be able to pursue my dream which is really going to suck if that's the case but I'm not angry at anyone.
The FAA has every right to try and protect citizens from a Loon and I respect that. I do however wish they looked more throughly into someone's back ground to make a decision.
5 years Class A license, years of safe driving no accidenrs or speeding tickets, no dui's ETC. I don't even do drugs, I'm a 3.6 gpa student. I have children of my own. The worst problem with all of this is my records expunged, I call the clerk can't get any paperwork it has been destroyed. I contact TBI they claim no record either, so what am I supposed to do when they want court documents to prove drugs/etc weren't involved? I might need the Attorney honestly.
 
AlvinFlight said:
The FAA is quite literal when they write. No where says anything about deferrals. Deferrals aren't a denile so quit assuming its a no, it isn't until it is. It could as likely be a yes, considering 96% of deferrals are approved. I don't think I'll be the 4%.... over 5 years ago.
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So in your mind, is being deferred synonymous with being found medically qualified? The latter is what the regulation I quoted literally requires if you have applied for a medical.

Don't get me wrong, I wish you were right. I just can't find a way to make the regulations say what you are claiming.
 
I tried to keep my nose out, but reached a point where I cannot. I've been on this board for years, and based on the content contributed over a rather good amount of time, by most everyone involved in this chat, I have no idea where you came up with:


It seems you walked into this party, with a head full of preconceived notions, and you're a little more than irritated at the news you've received. You're now thrashing and lashing at those that are correcting your thoughts. I'm sorry for the news you've gotten. Yeah, it kinda sucks. You might have done a little more research before hitting up the AME to get your medical deferred. But you didn't and this is on you.

The system's not perfect, but it exists to keep people out of planes that shouldn't be flying, and it's probably not getting any massive change to it any time soon.

By the way - don't snub sailplanes. They're hella-fun and take lots of skill, arguably more (or different) skills than someone driving a C182 around the skies. ;)
 
AlvinFlight said:
Im just giving my experience, maybe 4 people have been positive out of the 30+
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Well.. considering that it is the internet, that's a pretty good ratio ;)


I wouldn't advise lying on a medical, but just curious, if all records have been destroyed and you can't for the life of you prove it, how can the FAA...especially when they know nothing about it?

Which leads to the advice given many times on this forum: careful what you make public.

Good luck man, I hope the best for you.
 
Palmpilot said:
So in your mind, is being deferred synonymous with being found medically qualified? The lateral is what the regulation I quoted literally requires if you have applied for a medical.

Don't get me wrong, I wish you were right. I just can't find a way to make the regulations say what you are claiming.
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In my mind being deferred means just that, the literal definition.
Postponement which means for something expected to take place at a later time, Pause, Wait.
I'll wait to solo a 152, and fly a cub while I wait.

Does that sound like a rejection in your mind?
Blue isn't black, blue is only blue.
 
Rgbeard said:
I tried to keep my nose out, but reached a point where I cannot. I've been on this board for years, and based on the content contributed over a rather good amount of time, by most everyone involved in this chat, I have no idea where you came up with:


It seems you walked into this party, with a head full of preconceived notions, and you're a little more than irritated at the news you've received. You're now thrashing and lashing at those that are correcting your thoughts. I'm sorry for the news you've gotten. Yeah, it kinda sucks. You might have done a little more research before hitting up the AME to get your medical deferred. But you didn't and this is on you.

The system's not perfect, but it exists to keep people out of planes that shouldn't be flying, and it's probably not getting any massive change to it any time soon.

By the way - don't snub sailplanes. They're hella-fun and take lots of skill, arguably more (or different) skills than someone driving a C182 around the skies. ;)
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Yes. Lol
 
AlvinFlight said:
Im just giving my experience, maybe 4 people have been positive out of the 30+.
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I’m sorry you feel this way, but as you know, the internet is going to internet no matter what.
AlvinFlight said:
I seriously doubt the entire community is perfect and never did anything wrong. Most of you guys are just being dicks
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Well, if we’re being honest, I don’t feel as though your disposition has been the most positive either. I get that you’re frustrated, but the condescending, sarcastic attitude doesn’t help.
 
Salty said:
Can someone explain why he’s wrong with a reg quote? The reg doesn’t say anything about deferral that I can see. If he hasn’t been denied yet, it seems he’s right. What are we missing?
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61.303(b)(2) does not say anything about deferrals. What it DOES say is that if you have applied for a medical, you have to have been found qualified in order to operate a light-sport aircraft. When you've been deferred, there hasn't been any finding yet. Therefore it's not yet possible to say that he has been either denied, or that he has been found qualified.
 
Skyrys62 said:
Well.. considering that it is the internet, that's a pretty good ratio ;)


I wouldn't advise lying on a medical, but just curious, if all records have been destroyed and you can't for the life of you prove it, how can the FAA...especially when they know nothing about it?

Which leads to the advice given many times on this forum: careful what you make public.

Good luck man, I hope the best for you.
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I hope to be the record holder, the first one to actually stay and update this thread over time. That way when some young kid 10 years from now is going through the same stuff and hops on Google, he can see this and realize it's just the start hahaha.
 
Palmpilot said:
61.303(b)(2) does not say anything about deferrals. What it DOES say is that if you have applied for a medical, you have to have been found qualified in order to operate a light-sport aircraft. When you've been deferred, there hasn't been any finding yet. Therefore it's not yet possible to say that he has been either denied, or that he has been found qualified.
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Can you quote what you are referring too? This is what I see.
(3) Not have had his or her most recently issued medical certificate (if the personhas held a medical certificate) suspended or revoked or most recent Authorization for a Special Issuance of a Medical Certificate withdrawn; and
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RyanB said:
I’m sorry you feel this way, but as you know, the internet is going to internet no matter what.
Well, if we’re being honest, I don’t feel as though your disposition has been the most positive either. I get that you’re frustrated, but the condescending, sarcastic attitude doesn’t help.
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Hey super admin guy, don't delete me. I'll become a suporter, keep this up for the future kids going through the same ringer.
 
AlvinFlight said:
In my mind being deferred means just that, the literal definition.
Postponement which means for something expected to take place at a later time, Pause, Wait.
I'll wait to solo a 152, and fly a cub while I wait.

Does that sound like a rejection in your mind?
Blue isn't black, blue is only blue.
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The reg I quoted does not use the word "rejection." It says that you have to have been found qualified.
 
By the way, I recognize that you have been given the shaft, and really wish the regs were different, but they are what they are.
 
Palmpilot said:
By the way, I recognize that you have been given the shaft, and really wish the regs were different, but they are what they are.
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Can you quote the whole thing for me? Thanks in advance haha.
I'll accept being wrong 100%
 
If you want to fly/learn, you can always do that with an instructor while you wait to find out. You'll have to spend the money anyway, and it all counts toward your ticket if you do get the medical. If not, you had a hell of a good time I'd bet.
 
Salty said:
Can you quote what you are referring too? This is what I see.
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I already did, but here it is again:

"(2) Have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class airman medical certificate at the time of his or her most recent application (if the person has applied for a medical certificate);"​
 
Palmpilot said:
I already did, but here it is again:

"(2) Have been found eligible for the issuance of at least a third-class airman medical certificate at the time of his or her most recent application (if the person has applied for a medical certificate);"​
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I 100% accept that. Ah right in my dreams.
So to be clear, you can only fly LSA if you A. Haven't applied for a medical or B. Applied and were immediately found eligible at minimum a Class 3
Deferral means not eligible.
 
AlvinFlight said:
I 100% accept that. Ah right in my dreams.
So to be clear, you can only fly LSA if you A. Haven't applied for a medical or B. Applied and were immediately found eligible at minimum a Class 3
Deferral means not eligible.
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Deferral is fine as long as the questions / additional tests / whatever are followed through with and results in an issuance (eventually). Deferral doesn’t mean denial, but deferral automatically turns into denial in 90 days or something if you’re not moving towards issuance.

So for Basic Med, you have to have applied for a medical, and your most recent application had to result in issuance, and not subsequently been revoked or surrendered. (Along with a few other rules like “no seizures since then,” and taking an online course, and getting a normal doc to sign off.)

For Light Sport, you don’t have to have applied, but if you have, your most recent application had to result (eventually) in issuance, and not been revoked or surrendered. (And a few other rules, like having a driver’s license.)

And in any case, you need to reasonably believe yourself fit to fly before you take off.
 
Salty said:
Just out of curiosity, does anybody know what the rationale is behind not allowing sport pilot if you’ve been denied a medical?
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SP passes the medical decision buck to the state DMV. If flying as SP with a denied medical was allowed and somebody crashed due to the medical issue that caused the denial, what a stink that would be.
 
AlvinFlight said:
Everyone here points to 3 online AME's who obviously just want to make a quick buck from a sucker.
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Perhaps you should re-think this, and apologize. The docs that frequent this board give freely of their time and advice and never seek to get new clients. Your hubris and sense of entitlement are, frankly, shocking, as is your slamming the docs who try to help others in this forum.

AlvinFlight said:
...require a psychological evaluation...
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Based on your comments, perhaps this is a good idea. Given your arrogance and sense of entitlement, I'm not certain you're capable of complying with the highly restrictive system in which we all fly.

AlvinFlight said:
Most of you guys are just being dicks.
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We give what we get. Most everyone in this particular forum is honest and supportive, except when arrogant a**holes, who think their 15 minutes of internet research trumps the skill and knowledge of the docs and others here, spout their bullsh*t, at which time that person becomes the object of scorn and rejection. It seems that's where you're headed, if you're not already there, as your participation here adds nothing to a forum that has helped hundreds, if not thousands, of people over the years.

Definition of Internet Troll (from the Urban Dictionary): Someone who takes pleasure in causing drama by arguing with people without wanting or accepting anyone's response, also known as a "Justin."

If the shoe fits, wear it, Justin, er. Alvin.
 
SoCal 182 Driver said:
Perhaps you should re-think this, and apologize. The docs that frequent this board give freely of their time and advice and never seek to get new clients. Your hubris and sense of entitlement are, frankly, shocking, as is your slamming the docs who try to help others in this forum.



Based on your comments, perhaps this is a good idea. Given your arrogance and sense of entitlement, I'm not certain you're capable of complying with the highly restrictive system in which we all fly.



We give what we get. Most everyone in this particular forum is honest and supportive, except when arrogant a**holes, who think their 15 minutes of internet research trumps the skill and knowledge of the docs and others here, spout their bullsh*t, at which time that person becomes the object of scorn and rejection. It seems that's where you're headed, if you're not already there, as your participation here adds nothing to a forum that has helped hundreds, if not thousands, of people over the years.

Definition of Internet Troll (from the Urban Dictionary): Someone who takes pleasure in causing drama by arguing with people without wanting or accepting anyone's response, also known as a "Justin."

If the shoe fits, wear it, Justin, er. Alvin.
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You woke up still on this? How about you delete this and just carry on to seeing how everything turns out.
 
SoCal 182 Driver said:
OK, Justin.
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I've never heard of that terminology used for a troll before Karen.
Being a troll in modern age would be my self describing false events that I know didn't happen just to get a rise from everyone else, which I then would take joy in and share.
Example: I actually run a pilot forum that's bigger and more well known than this one, I'm also actually a fully rated pilot and I fly for United. I have been fully documenting the Arrogance and behavior of every member, and it has became a huge joke to all my members 182 drive.
 
Wow.

I started reading this thread and hoping that the OP is able to work through the FAA red tape and roadblocks, but after getting to page 3 my opinion has made a 180.

It's pretty clear that he has an attitude problem--arrogance and entitlement were mentioned earlier and I agree. I also have no doubt that there was a lot of "spin" in the arrest story so we're not getting the full picture. Not surprising.

Further, since Alvin already knows more than everybody else, I'm kind of puzzled why he would seek any advice at all. Let alone on this site, which he seems to look down upon as a group of people who just went out and bought ratings and passed tests designed for kids.

I wish the OP the best, but I hope that I never share the same slice of sky with him should he be successful in buying, er, I mean obtaining a certificate.
 
AlvinFlight said:
super admin guy
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Wait, whaaaat?? Super Admin? @RyanB did you get promoted?? Congrats man!

AlvinFlight said:
Do.. do you guys also hate the FAA? LOL
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FAA - ** always watching **
Me - "No way! I LOVE the FAA... One of the finest run agencies in the entire Federal Government! They are never wrong and everything they do is completely logical and makes perfect sense! And regulations - super easy to understand! They never ever ever contradict. I love the FAA!"

Rgbeard said:
If a chill-pill is taken, does it have to be reported on the next application?
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Nah. Chill-pills are on the approved list. :rofl:
 
AlvinFlight said:
I've never heard of that terminology used for a troll before Karen.
Being a troll in modern age would be my self describing false events that I know didn't happen just to get a rise from everyone else, which I then would take joy in and share.
Example: I actually run a pilot forum that's bigger and more well known than this one, I'm also actually a fully rated pilot and I fly for United. I have been fully documenting the Arrogance and behavior of every member, and it has became a huge joke to all my members 182 drive.
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Mkay, Justin.
 
Charlie Golf said:
It's pretty clear that he has an attitude problem--arrogance and entitlement were mentioned earlier and I agree. I also have no doubt that there was a lot of "spin" in the arrest story so we're not getting the full picture. Not surprising.

Further, since Alvin already knows more than everybody else, I'm kind of puzzled why he would seek any advice at all. Let alone on this site, which he seems to look down upon as a group of people who just went out and bought ratings and passed tests designed for kids..
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:yeahthat:
 
If you have applied for a medical you can’t sport pilot unless a medical is issued. If it’s anything other than issued you can’t sport pilot. The regs clearly state that fact. No matter how low your opinion is of this group it does not change the regulations.
 
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