Me versus the TSA

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Now I dislike the TSA as much as the next guy. In general, though, I don't have anything against the agents, just the organization. At least here in Augusta the agents are all nice people and fun to talk to, even if I think their job is a complete waste. There are, however, quite a few TSA agents who take it to the other end of the spectrum with a sense of empowerment that goes well beyond absurd. I met one of those types last night.

When we board our passengers in Boston, we have to ask if they're going to Rockland or Augusta so we can accurately mark their plane-side-checked bags before tossing them into the cargo compartment. Most people answer with a smile, then get on the plane as I write the destination on the little yellow tag. This older gentleman in a TSA polo shirt was the second passenger to approach the plane as we were boarding the last flight out of Boston. He dropped his bag at (almost on) my feet and turned to walk up the airstairs...not so much as a nod in greeting. The lack of recognition (or even basic human kindness) doesn't really surprise me any more, but I still need to know where he's going, as he doesn't even have a yellow tag on the bag, let alone a destination marking. As I takes goes to step up onto the first stair I tap him on the arm and inquire "I'm sorry, sir, are you going to Rockland or Augusta...we have to mark your bag?"

"Rockland" is all he says, without even looking at me, as he walks onto the plane. I look over at the gate agent standing next to me who rolls her eyes and laughs.

We finish boarding our 16 passengers and I go back to the back to help the rampies toss all the plane side bags. With everything loaded, the baggage compartment is full, front to back, top to bottom...it even takes a little extra force to get the door closed. The plane is sitting pretty low on the tail with the nose strut only about an inch from full extension. The paperworks shows about 1,020 lbs of bags in the back...this is going to suck when we get to Rockland, as there's only me and one station agent to get everything unloaded and sorted.

I get the door closed and walk through the cabin to make sure everyone is belted and carry on bags are stowed. I give my exit row speech to the three people in the over-wing exit seats, and get a laugh from all three of them ("In the unlikely event that we need these exits..."). Then I have to give the speach to the TSA guy who is sitting in seat 1A...right behind the cockpit, next to the airstair door (technically an exit row). "Sir, I just have to let you know that you're in an exit seat here..."

"Ya, that's fine, how long is the flight?"

"Umm...40 minutes, sir. In the unlikely event that we need it, push this button in..."

"Ya, I got it, do you not have an air conditioner in this thing?"

"Ya, we do, but we have to have an engine running first...and we will just as soon as I finish this. Push the button in, lift the handle and push, everyone will follow you out. Are you comfortable sitting here?"

"Ya."

At this point I'm fuming. I take my coat off and close up the closet, then take my seat in the cockpit. I've had plenty of ****ed off people on my flights before, but seriously...this guy is in uniform and he can't keep it together. I tell the captain about the grumpy TSA guy, and he gives me a good warning "watch out, we're lucky he hasn't come up here and taken the plane from us because we're doing something wrong...he is the TSA, after all, he owns all this." He's right, too, I can't believe I forgot that we work in the TSA's house...it all makes sense.:no:

So, we fly up to Rockland. It's a nice flight and I make a semi decent landing. The captain shuts down the left engine only - we're going to do a single-engine turn to get out of here as quick as we can. I give my little speech to everyone before going down the stairs: "Welcome to Rockland. As you get off the aircraft, please don't go behind the wing - it's a restricted area back there. Please head straight inside, we are going to leave the right engine running, and all your bags - including plane-side checked items - will be inside in baggage claim. Please watch your head and your step, the door is a little bit lower than the cabin. Have a good night!"

The grumpy TSA guy is the second person off the plane. With a queue of people behind him he stops right next to me at the base of the stairs. He doesn't make eye contact, just looks back towards the back of the plane. "They'll have everything inside for you, sir."

"I just had a plane side bag."

"Yes, sir, that'll be inside too."

"You don't bring it out here?"

"No sir, not at Rockland or Augusta."

"I'll just go get it," he says as he takes a step towards the wing.

"I'm sorry, sir, I can't let you do that, it'll be in bag claim for you in just a minute or two."

"I'm TSA, I'll just go get it" he takes another step around me.

I practically have to jump to stay in front of him. I know he's TSA because he has their polo on, but he has no ID displayed (not that it matters, TSA doesn't have the clearance to walk around the plane, ID or not). "Sir, do you have some ID?" I demand.

"No, it's right there on the ground, I'll just grab it."

"No sir..."

"Why don't you bring them out here like at every other airport?"

I really wanted to say 'Because I just told you we don't' or 'because you're being an unprofessional jackass,' but I suppose both of those options would be equally unprofessional. Instead I just told him "because there's only one man working the ramp tonight and we have almost eleven hundred pounds of bags to sort, and about five minutes in which to sort them. I'd be happy to let you back there if you were properly displaying your ID, even though your ID doesn't give you ramp access, but you're not. Please go inside now, your bag will be in as quickly as we can get it."

He finally did what I was asking for the first time since we left Boston, and all it took was me physically restraining him to keep him from breaking a few federal laws. And all because we were going to delay him about 5 minutes in getting his bag. Some people...I swear.
 
Wow... that guy needs to ride in baggage. Stories like this make me understand it when commercial pilots say the "glory days" are past. Good job keeping your cool, man.
 
Unfrickin' believable. If you step out of line or speak that way at a checkpoint, a moron like that would have you arrested for not "respectin' his authoritah". Yet he just won't respect the rules himself.

That's the kind that should not only be reported, but should make a media story.
 
Aw, Matt, you've shattered my dream to become a TSA operative and be on the forefront of this nation's most effective anti-terrorist organization...
 
I think you should get the guy's name and report him... he;ll probably get a raise for it, or maybe he'll be promoted (Second Assistant Regional A-Hole?), but who knows? He may actually be disciplined... for example, he might get one less TSA shirt than the others next time they issue new ones. That would smart. :D
 
I absolutely agree with what's been said. Report him. With a copy for the local newspaper.

-Felix
 
Matt, not one person would blame you if his bag accidentally got tossed under a passing tug. Better yet, it might have to accidentally show up in Augusta. :yes:

Way to keep your cool.
 
If you see him again, just remember that you have the ultimate authority on who gets to ride and who gets left behind! :D

Or, like on Seinfeld - this bag to New York, this one to HONOLULU.
 
I think you should get the guy's name and report him... he;ll probably get a raise for it, or maybe he'll be promoted (Second Assistant Regional A-Hole?), but who knows? He may actually be disciplined...
No discipline unless his file is full of chronic complaints. "Yessir, that report is pretty much true. I was pushing the limit to see how well trained the pilot was with regard to security procedures, and how he would react to an unruly passenger. This guy did all right.... "

That is such an easy out for these jerks.

-Skip
 
No discipline unless his file is full of chronic complaints. "Yessir, that report is pretty much true. I was pushing the limit to see how well trained the pilot was with regard to security procedures, and how he would react to an unruly passenger. This guy did all right.... "

That is such an easy out for these jerks.

-Skip

That's pretty much exactly what I would expect them to say if I filled out a report. Unfortunately things were just too hectic at the time to get his name and badge number. I talked to the station agent that was working that night (Ray) and apparently the guy was mean to him, too. We had called on the radio as we taxied out and asked him to get the guy's name if he had a chance, but I guess we had lost a lot of bags that night, so Ray had his hands full too. Oh well. I'll get him next time! :)
 
Aw, Matt, you've shattered my dream to become a TSA operative and be on the forefront of this nation's most effective anti-terrorist organization...

Ohh, Steve, I'm sorry. I'm sure your dream doesn't have to be completely dead...you just have to have forget everything you learned about decency, professionalism, basic human courtesy...I hear some amount of brain damage helps you train for this job, too. If you want it bad enough, Steve, you too can be as pointless as these folks!
 
Matt, I'm going to go out of a limb here and suggest that they guy wasn't really TSA. No ID badge, and just the TSA polo, for me something just doesn't add up.
I don't think that employees of any of the alphabet soup aviation agencies ever travel (even personally) without their official ID badges, you just never know when it will come in handy. A TSA polo could have come from any one of the civilian shops such as here:
https://www.abetterhostingservice.com/dhsstore/tsa.htm

I was on a flight with a guy who claimed to be from the FAA and explained that he was allowed to stand up before 10,000 feet, because he wrote the FAR's. The guy stood up and proceeded to be a total jackass to everybody. When he was pressured by somebody :frog:on the flight that actually was from the agency, it turned out that he was really somebody who had just once worked on a computer contract for the FAA.

There are a lot of strange people out there, and sometimes they give a bad name to those that really do work for a specific agency. If they can't produce ID I think it is fair to say that they aren't what they claim to be.
 
If they can't produce ID I think it is fair to say that they aren't what they claim to be.

Which gets right back to the validity of identification badges issued by individual agencies. If somebody SHOWED you their FBI, FAA, or TSA id, could you tell if it was legitimate?

I bet most of us couldn't... it might not even look ANYTHING like the real one... but if it looked "legit" and "official", we'd accept it.

My guess is only a handful of folks from the issuing agency can tell if the ID is actually official and legitimate or not.
 
Matt, I'm going to go out of a limb here and suggest that they guy wasn't really TSA. No ID badge, and just the TSA polo, for me something just doesn't add up.
I don't think that employees of any of the alphabet soup aviation agencies ever travel (even personally) without their official ID badges, you just never know when it will come in handy. A TSA polo could have come from any one of the civilian shops such as here:
https://www.abetterhostingservice.com/dhsstore/tsa.htm

I was on a flight with a guy who claimed to be from the FAA and explained that he was allowed to stand up before 10,000 feet, because he wrote the FAR's. The guy stood up and proceeded to be a total jackass to everybody. When he was pressured by somebody :frog:on the flight that actually was from the agency, it turned out that he was really somebody who had just once worked on a computer contract for the FAA.

There are a lot of strange people out there, and sometimes they give a bad name to those that really do work for a specific agency. If they can't produce ID I think it is fair to say that they aren't what they claim to be.

That's an interesting notion, Rob, and one I certainly hadn't considered. I did find it odd that he didn't have an ID on, but at the same time, a TSA ID doesn't do a whole lot for them when they're not working, so it's not uncommon to seem them without one (unlike pilots who wear their's everywhere). With or without an ID, the TSA isn't allowed behind the wing of the aircraft, or anywhere on the ramp that passengers can't go, for that matter, so whoever this guy was he was definitely out of line.
TangoWhiskey said:
Which gets right back to the validity of identification badges issued by individual agencies. If somebody SHOWED you their FBI, FAA, or TSA id, could you tell if it was legitimate?

I bet most of us couldn't... it might not even look ANYTHING like the real one... but if it looked "legit" and "official", we'd accept it.

My guess is only a handful of folks from the issuing agency can tell if the ID is actually official and legitimate or not.

That's very true, Troy, and yet another of the many flaws with the security system in place today. Our airline badges are just cheap plastic...no holograms, no HID systems, not even a magnetic strip, and yet they give us easy access to any airline operations area and a quick pass through security. Likewise, law enforcement officers and FAA officials are allowed to ride in the cockpit...of course we have to verify their ID first, but I don't know what a legitimate FAA ID looks like. They showed us quick examples in ground school, but that doesn't help much.
 
Which gets right back to the validity of identification badges issued by individual agencies. If somebody SHOWED you their FBI, FAA, or TSA id, could you tell if it was legitimate?

I bet most of us couldn't... it might not even look ANYTHING like the real one... but if it looked "legit" and "official", we'd accept it.

My guess is only a handful of folks from the issuing agency can tell if the ID is actually official and legitimate or not.
That's spot on, and it's a really big problem, especially here in the US. This focus on identification and IDs distracts from the real issues, and it only makes us less safe.

I did some work for the police a few years ago. As a result, I still have an ID that was signed by the Chief and has catchy phrases like 'on call for emergency service' on it. Whenever I fly, I put that ID somewhere on my laptop bag. TSA saw something suspicious in my bags twice now, and both times, they backed off and let me go without looking any further as soon as they saw my completely irrelevant ID. Scary...

-Felix
 
No discipline unless his file is full of chronic complaints. "Yessir, that report is pretty much true. I was pushing the limit to see how well trained the pilot was with regard to security procedures, and how he would react to an unruly passenger. This guy did all right.... "

That is such an easy out for these jerks.

-Skip

.... and there's a classified Help-Wanted adv. in Maine Sunday Telegram, today, for TSA personnel at Portland International Jetport. I think it noted, "$848; will train." [It may have been "$648." ]

HR
 
If you see him again, just remember that you have the ultimate authority on who gets to ride and who gets left behind! :D

Or, like on Seinfeld - this bag to New York, this one to HONOLULU.

There was an article in Playboy many years ago by an airline desk agent. They had a procedure called "Bombaying your luggage" reserved for special customers. When a bag has multiple airport tags each removes one at a time and sends it to the next. He said he thought a tour of Latin America and a few crossings of then iron curtain should do it.

Being that that Bombay isn't Bombay any more and there isn't an iron curtain tells you the article was quite a while ago.

I bet they still can do it now, only now each stop has to survive the TSA inspections. Now the poor sap would get a tattered empty bag back.

Which reminds there was stand up comic who showed the luggage handle with the tag which was all he got at baggage claim.
 
Which gets right back to the validity of identification badges issued by individual agencies. If somebody SHOWED you their FBI, FAA, or TSA id, could you tell if it was legitimate?

I bet most of us couldn't... it might not even look ANYTHING like the real one... but if it looked "legit" and "official", we'd accept it.

My guess is only a handful of folks from the issuing agency can tell if the ID is actually official and legitimate or not.
I agree Troy, ID badges are pretty silly.
But, like it or not, most people establish authenticity via ID badges. I guess the idea is that it takes very little work to buy a sweatshirt with an agency logo on it, and a lot of work (not to mention federal law violations) to get an ID badge with your picture on it. For most people who have them, producing a legitimate ID should be an almost instinctual reaction to a query for authority.

To answer Matt's question, most FAA ID's have a green background with a gold type image of the FAA logo, and a solid DOT logo. Different regions have different versions of the ID. Inspectors should also display a shield (much like a police shield) and credentials with their photo and a list of the access they should be granted. I wouldn't believe anybody who claims to be part of any Government Agency but who refuses to display an official ID.
Also, I wasn't aware that LEO's were allowed to ride in the cockpit.
Also, unofficially, I don't think I would have handled this guy, official TSA or not, as kindly as you did. :hairraise:
 
Also, I wasn't aware that LEO's were allowed to ride in the cockpit.

Not usually, but under special circumstances they are. Requires a lot of paperwork. FAA inspectors, on the other hand, have pretty much unfettered access to the cockpit and are boarding priority SA1 - they can bump anyone else off the plane.

Also, unofficially, I don't think I would have handled this guy, official TSA or not, as kindly as you did. :hairraise:

I think most of my kindness came from my desire to just get rid of him so we could get home as quick as possible with as little paperwork as necessary.
 
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