Made the call....

Rob Schaffer

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Made the call to the Designated Examiner today :fcross: Looks like availability is promising for next Wed (6/11) and Thurs (6/12), and Sat (6/14) is a definite. I have to call him later this week as he isn't sure about a possible Charter flight on Wednesday (he flies King Air's), but we'll firm up the date and time when I call him next.

He then asked my weight, type of airplane we'll be taking the test in, and gave me his weight. He then proceeded to provide a nice casual overview of the testing and said he'll assign my cross country planning points when we talk on the phone Thursday PM/Friday.

Man, I get nervous just typing about it. :D From what my instructor has put me though lately, the description of events is pretty consistant with my prep, and I'm confident in my current flying. Need to hit the books more for the oral part though.

I then downloaded the FAA 8710 form to fill out, even though I may use the IACRA web form. He does both, so I have to check what will be available at the airport (Computer and printer access, etc). Can't believe it's almost here!!
 
I just wanted to say Good Luck, we're all counting on you!
 
Well Rob , I'll add my 2 cents.
Go For It
and remember to FLY THE PLANE, dont let it fly you.
Dave G.
P.S. GOOD LUCK, and lets us know how you did. (you'll do fine i'm sure)
 
You'll do OK, if you relax and just remember that you already know how to demonstrate this stuff.
Think aloud and take your command seriously... this shows that you have what it takes, much more so than remembering some item from the FAR/AIM (although you should have all that nailed too, LOL).

Good luck!!
 
Rob,

After you pass I think you need to stop down at your job site and we can go get a drink to celebrate. I am just next door to it in the blue roof building come on over.

Bob
 
Rob, does your DE fly out of Doylestown? I think, given the info you've provided, that I know him. PM me and maybe I can give you a few tips if he is who I think he is.
 
Captain Levy’s Checkride Advice

1. Relax and enjoy it. Nationwide, about 90% of applicants pass on the first try, so look around and see if you think you’re as good as 9 out of 10 other students. Also, your instructor must maintain a pass rate of at least 80% to get his ticket renewed, so he’s not going to send you up unless he’s pretty darn sure you’ll pass – otherwise, he has to find four other people to pass to make up for you, and that’s not always easy.

2. Go over with your instructor the logbooks of the aircraft you're going to use the day BEFORE the checkride to make sure it's all in order (annual, transponder checks, ELT ops and battery, 100-hour if rented, etc.). If the airplane's paper busts, so do you. Run a sample W&B, too – get the examiner’s weight when you make the appointment. If you weigh 200, and so does the examiner, don’t show up with a C-152 with full tanks and a 350 lb available cabin load – examiners can’t waive max gross weight limits.

3. Relax.

4. Rest up and get a good night's sleep the night before. Don't stay up "cramming."

5. Relax.

6. Read carefully the ENTIRE PTS including all the introductory material. Use the checklist in the front to make sure you take all the stuff you need -- papers and equipment. And the examiner’s fee UP FRONT (too much chance a disgruntled applicant will refuse to pay afterward) in the form demanded by the examiner is a “required document” from a practical, if not FAA, standpoint.

7. Relax.

8. You’re going to make a big mistake somewhere. The examiner knows this will happen, and it doesn’t have to end the ride. What’s important is not whether you make a mistake, but how you deal with it – whether you recover and move on without letting it destroy your flying. Figure out where you are now, how to get to where you want to be, and then do what it takes to get there. That will save your checkride today and your butt later on.

9. Relax.

10. You're going to make some minor mistakes. Correct them yourself in a timely manner "so the outcome of the maneuver is never seriously in doubt" and you'll be OK. If you start to go high on your first steep turn and start a correction as you approach 100 feet high but top out at 110 high while making a smooth correction back to the requested altitude, don't sweat -- nail the next one and you'll pass with "flying colors" (a naval term, actually). If you see the maneuver will exceed parameters and not be smoothly recoverable, tell the examiner and knock it off before you go outside those parameters, and then re-initiate. That shows great sense, if not great skill, and judgement is the most critical item on the checkride.

11. Relax.

12. During the oral, you don’t have to answer from memory anything you’d have time to look up in reality. You never need to memorize and know everything. Categorize material as:

a. Things you must memorize (i.e. emergency procedures, radio calls, airspace, etc).
b. Things you must know or have reasonable understanding of (i.e. interpreting weather codes, non-critical regs).
c. Things you know about but can look up and will have time to look up on the ground.

(Thanks to Mark Bourdeaux for this categorization.) So if the examiner asks you about currency, it’s OK to open the FAR book to 61.56 and 61.57 and explain them to him. But make sure you know where the answer is without reading the whole FAR/AIM cover-to-cover. On the other hand, for stuff you’d have to know RIGHT NOW (e.g., best glide speed for engine failure, etc.), you’d best not stumble or stutter – know that stuff cold. Also, remember that the examiner will use the areas your knowledge test report says you missed as focus points in the oral, so study them extra thoroughly.

13. Relax.

14. Avoid this conversation:
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?

Applicant - A: I have a #2, a mechanical, a red one...
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?
Applicant - A: I also have an assortment of pens, and some highlighters...
Examiner - Q: Do you have a pencil?
Applicant - A: Yes.
Examiner - Thank you.
One of the hardest things to do when you’re nervous and pumped up is to shut up and answer the question. I've watched people talk themselves into a corner by incorrectly answering a question that was never asked, or by adding an incorrect appendix to the correct answer to the question that was. If the examiner wants more, he'll tell you.

15. Relax

16. Some questions are meant simply to test your knowledge, not your skill, even if they sound otherwise. If the examiner asks how far below the cloud deck you are, he is checking to see if you know the answer is “at least 500 feet,” not how good your depth perception is. He can’t tell any better than you can, and the only way to be sure is to climb up and see when you hit the bases, which for sure he won’t let you do.

17. Relax

18. Remember the first rule of Italian driving: "What's behind me is not important." Don't worry about how you did the last maneuver or question. If you didn't do it well enough, the examiner must notify you and terminate the checkride. If you are on the next one, forget the last one because it was good enough to pass. Focus on doing that next maneuver or answering the next question the best you can, because while it can still determine whether you pass or fail, the last one can’t anymore. If you get back to the office and he hasn't said you failed, smile to your friends as you walk in because you just passed.

19. Relax and enjoy your new license.


Ron Levy, ATP, CFI, Veteran of 11 license/rating checkrides, including 4 with FAA inspectors
 
Good luck, Rob! You'll do fine. As has been stated, relax. Remember that the check ride is really just a very good lesson. Treat it as such. If your DE is anything like mine, you can (and hopefully will) learn a tremendous amount on your checkride.
 
Good luck Rob. Relax, have fun and expect to learn something. Trust your judgement in the flight portion, your relationship to the person in the right seat is about to change. Be the PIC and your do fine.
 
Made the call to the Designated Examiner today :fcross: Looks like availability is promising for next Wed (6/11) and Thurs (6/12), and Sat (6/14) is a definite. I have to call him later this week as he isn't sure about a possible Charter flight on Wednesday (he flies King Air's), but we'll firm up the date and time when I call him next.

Good luck, Rob.

FWIW, I've found I am more relaxed when I flew to the DE/FAA or at least flew before the test.

I think it helps you warm up, get rid of the alibis (dumb moves, sloppy whatevers), and puts you in PIC mode.
 
That may be a good idea. I'll have to check the tanks when I arrive, as we can't both be in the plane with full tanks,.. over the T/O and Ramp limits. This way, I can burn off a few gallons along with any nerves :)
(Need 18 gallons in the tanks. I'll check with my calibration fuel rod)

Today, I was going to a jobsite in Phoenixville,.. called Abe on the cell and asked if I could fly for my lunch-hour. After my meeting, drove 10 minutes to the airport, flew from N10-UKT-PTW-N10 :blueplane: ,.. then got in the car and drove back to King of Prussia :yes: Best lunch hour ever! (1.0 on Hobbs)

Thanks for the tips guys. I'm pretty relaxed about my flying, as my instructor was really hard on me for a while,.. but lately she hasn't had much to say since I've been doing it right and meeting or exceeding her standards. She's very confident that I'm ready and that makes me feel good.
 
Thanks for the words of encouragement guys,.. I'll be sure to give you all the full details afterwards.
 
Everyone said all that has to be said. Don't over stress and have fun!!! Yea right:) Good Luck
 
just talked with the DE,.... thursday June 12th, 10am :D

He gave me another overview and assigned me my crosscountry to plan,.. Gaithersburg Maryland, GAI.

.... time to get back to reading.... :)
 
just talked with the DE,.... thursday June 12th, 10am :D

Good luck!

He gave me another overview and assigned me my crosscountry to plan,.. Gaithersburg Maryland, GAI.

.... time to get back to reading.... :)

If, when you get there, he gives you another XC to plan, don't be surprised. Be ready to plan it out on the spot. Remember how this goes, though, you aren't going to actually do the whole flight plan, you're just going to go out long enough to indicate you have an idea of how to do the XC (track your first VOR, etc.) and then come home.

In my case, the DE gave me an XC that was complete different than I was expecting, but I expected this (just intuition, nobody told me), so I just did a general overview as preparation. When he gave me the new route, I went through and planned it. I was doing it all detailed, flight computer out to calculate with winds aloft, and filling in every section of the flight plan. After he saw me doing this for the first few points, he said "Alright, that's good, we're only going to fly to the first VOR anyway." The point is that you know how to do it.

I would focus mostly on being prepared for the oral, but spend enough time in the air to make sure that your flying bits are up to par.
 
I told my current student, "You're job is to make me shut up..."

It's working.

B)

Yep! My instructor is very good about that. Part of the problem that I had initially was actually having the nerve to tell this guy, who I respected and who was saying things I wanted to listen to, to shut up so I can talk to tower.

The other day on an IR flight, he was doing this as well, and not responding to my "Quiet, I need to talk to center," so I just hit the pilot isolate switch after the first request.

He smiled. :)
 
Yep! My instructor is very good about that. Part of the problem that I had initially was actually having the nerve to tell this guy, who I respected and who was saying things I wanted to listen to, to shut up so I can talk to tower.

An ISO or CREW function is just about mandatory if you're carrying passengers.

Part of a pre-startup PAX brief includes instructions about intercom, and that "I'm not being rude, but from time to time will have to interrupt a conversation to listen/talk on the radio. Also, we'll keep non-essential chatter to a minimum during takeoff, landing, and other segments of the flight. I'll let you know if I need to end the conversation..."

Invariably people understand, as clear directions gives them another indicator that you are In Charge and have their safety foremost.
 
Well,.. last night was the end of my training,.. :fcross:

Finished with a little checkride prep session and then review of the airplane logbooks and the 8710, while the storms blew in and the power went out. Woke up this morning to nice weather, and it looks to be the same for tomorrow morning.

The DE called and pushed up my time from 10am to 8am,... that's coming quick!

I reviewed the ADIZ, and all the requirements, filled out a flight plan for entry through the WOOLY gate, and I think I have everything understood for their rules. I'm ready for the oral review of the flight, but I'm glad we aren't going down there,....

So,... maybe I'll be sending PM's out for a Friday Evening at Wings,... first round on Rob :D Let you know more tomorrow afternoon!

(More about my training and a summary on my blog)
 
Good luck, Rob! :)
 
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