Looking for Advice on Career Change. 25 Yrs Old. Burned Out?

He wouldn't be happy at the FAA either....it's not a job to stay busy at. I was much busier at my industry jobs.

Lol. Speak for yourself.

If the OP liked the aviation industry, but didn't care for sitting in the cockpit, working as a safety inspector could be a good job. Even if he wanted to get out of the aviation world, it would be a good transition job. Inspectors stay very busy. He'd sleep in his own bed at night and likely not have to move for a job. There are plenty of opportunities for folks who are motivated to move up in the organization.

If nothing else, it would give him some diverse experience that would help in landing a private sector non-aviation job.
 
I've tended to change careers every decade of so. I also tend not to choose things that require a specific degree.
You are rather young to be suffering from burnout, however.
It is not in burnout in the sense I want to retire and live on island. That is the last thing I would want. I like staying busy and working on multiple things. The "burnout" may just be from flying too much.
 
Good luck with whatever you decide. I am likely in the last few years of a 40 year engineering career - more than 1/2 of it at Fortune 500 companies. I found mega companies to be stifling. Most of them are not a place for original thought and innovative thinking. Others may have a different experience - but that is mine.


Depends on the company, I suppose. In 35 years as an engineer at Lockheed, I’ve never seen a lack of opportunity for creativity and innovation. We are constantly looking for newer and better ways to blow enemy targets to bits.
 
My thoughts:
Likely ever since you entered aviation you have had a very demanding schedule. I'd take this CV time of reduced workload and reflect. Why did you get into aviation in the first place? Are you starting to miss your time in the air? If aviation is an industry that you have a passion for, stay in it. Fly and/or go to a management/desk job. Dispatching? What makes you smile? Working with people, large paycheck, view of the sky, tech, project success, etc
 
Dont come to IT. Thats my input. I am tired of being "on call" 24/7. I have had enough of 3am emails that require me to log in and fix something. Or overnight problems. Carrying 2 phones. Next career will be something with set hours, and no contact after leaving. Weekends in the office doing upgrades, late nights fixing issue and no real appreciation outside of direct management. Next job I will have wont have those.
 
It will get better, but may never be exactly perfect. I assume you're at a regional. I'm 31, been doing the regional thing for 4.5 years, some non-sked 121/135 stuff before that for a few years. About 18 months ago, I was very much where you are right now. I was ready to quit and find something else to do (was very close to applying at the railroads). Try to find something else to get involved with, outside of work. Or try to find some other job responsibility to take on, that gives you something new to do.

At the end of the day, the only person who is going to help you figure it out is you. I do wish you luck, I know what you are feeling now, and its not easy.
 
I'm 31, been doing the regional thing for 4.5 years, some non-sked 121/135 stuff before that for a few years. About 18 months ago, I was very much where you are right now. I was ready to quit and find something else to do (was very close to applying at the railroads).

Why did you feel that way 18 months ago, and what did you do to get over that feeling and decide to continue doing the airline thing? That might help the OP understand the thought process.
 
About 18 months ago, I was very much where you are right now. I was ready to quit and find something else to do (was very close to applying at the railroads.

That seems a puzzling alternative. No doubt, a worthwhile career, but what would have made the RR preferable over the regionals ?
 
There are so many opportunities coming in new technologies that I find my self wondering about one more company. I've done three. The C-141 cured me of any desire to fly 121. Start a company, work for yourself.
 
Why did you feel that way 18 months ago, and what did you do to get over that feeling and decide to continue doing the airline thing? That might help the OP understand the thought process.

I backed down how much I was working (stopping living to work), by not picking up so much open time. I'm in the process of becoming a check airman, which will certainly give me something different and probably more rewarding to do at work.
 
That seems a puzzling alternative. No doubt, a worthwhile career, but what would have made the RR preferable over the regionals ?

Similar job honestly, but I always thought I wanted to be a pilot and never considered doing anything else. Now, in cruise, I look down and try to find the various rail lines and imagine what work would be like down there. I'm not sure it would have been any "better" but it would have been a change in scenery for sure.
 
Airline pilot and I have no desire to do this job for much longer.

What, specifically, is it about the airline work or lifestyle that you dislike? What, specifically, would you desire to have in another career that is missing in the airlines?

I think there are a lot of people who enter the professional aviation career field in love with an idea of what the career is like, and are disappointed when they get to the top of the mountain and realize it isn't what they thought it would be. There are a lot of folks who think they're going to find some kind of life satisfaction in the front room of the jet...or find some kind of self worth sitting up there...or any number of things that a job simply cannot provide.

Flying the line at the airlines *is* pretty boring, at least compared to my previous military flying career. Personally, I like that the career has income and a lifestyle that allows me to chase life meaning in my off time. Spend time with my family/spouse, perform nonprofit work, fly fun airplanes, etc...all kinds of things that I didn't previously have the money or time to pursue. In addition, there are plenty of interesting in-company or union additional jobs that can be interesting and fulfilling, too.

Depending on OP's answers to the questions, it may be better to just sit tight and see what the career offers as time goes on....or perhaps follow his instinct and cut bait if he's never going to be happy in an airliner.
 
It will get better, but may never be exactly perfect. I assume you're at a regional. I'm 31, been doing the regional thing for 4.5 years, some non-sked 121/135 stuff before that for a few years. About 18 months ago, I was very much where you are right now. I was ready to quit and find something else to do (was very close to applying at the railroads). Try to find something else to get involved with, outside of work. Or try to find some other job responsibility to take on, that gives you something new to do.

At the end of the day, the only person who is going to help you figure it out is you. I do wish you luck, I know what you are feeling now, and its not easy.
Yes, I'm a regional CA. Thought I'd be moving on very soon but the COVID is slowing that down. Thank you for the advice. I find I'm happier when I am busy.
 
What, specifically, is it about the airline work or lifestyle that you dislike? What, specifically, would you desire to have in another career that is missing in the airlines?

I think there are a lot of people who enter the professional aviation career field in love with an idea of what the career is like, and are disappointed when they get to the top of the mountain and realize it isn't what they thought it would be. There are a lot of folks who think they're going to find some kind of life satisfaction in the front room of the jet...or find some kind of self worth sitting up there...or any number of things that a job simply cannot provide.

Flying the line at the airlines *is* pretty boring, at least compared to my previous military flying career. Personally, I like that the career has income and a lifestyle that allows me to chase life meaning in my off time. Spend time with my family/spouse, perform nonprofit work, fly fun airplanes, etc...all kinds of things that I didn't previously have the money or time to pursue. In addition, there are plenty of interesting in-company or union additional jobs that can be interesting and fulfilling, too.

Depending on OP's answers to the questions, it may be better to just sit tight and see what the career offers as time goes on....or perhaps follow his instinct and cut bait if he's never going to be happy in an airliner.
I dislike staying at hotels and being away a lot. I knew what I was getting into with all the traveling, but I guess it's gotten old to me now. Part of me also thinks 121 flying is a dead end job. Once you become a captain at a major, there is not much else to do and advance. This is why I think a management position in this industry might be a better choice. I could get an MBA and try to go that route and use the flying experience to get my foot in the door. I'm still learning, however, about how to go in this direction. I am a check airman at the airline so that is a little more responsibility and it has been a good experience.
 
I dislike staying at hotels and being away a lot. I knew what I was getting into with all the traveling, but I guess it's gotten old to me now.

Well, there is something available in order to ameliorate that, but you [largely] can't do it at the regionals. It's called **Widebody Int'l Reserve (**void where prohibited, not available in all stores, caveat emptor - timing and luck - there is no justice - read my sig line- pick your platitude :D). I got folks at work (pre-Corona) that always had to go to the sim to rehack landings year-round; they were showing up to the airline that little. De facto part time work for full time pay.

I suppose you could employ that scheme to a limited degree as an in-domicile-residing senior FO or CA at the regionals. Problem of course is that in doing so you'd be foregoing the TPIC accrual needed to get to mainline, just to end up giving up that homesteading schedule again when moving up to mainline. At any rate, that scheme becomes a non-starter for most regional critters when considering the time building is what got them to agree to regional wages in the first place. But for those who can swing it (non-commuting regional lifers come to mind, regardless of reason for being lifers), it's not a lifestyle to scoff at from where I sit. More to life than money and all that jazz.

Then there's outfits like Allegiant. Again, all of this comes with the post-corona hindsight caveats when selecting who to hitch your career wagon to. Good luck.
 
I dislike staying at hotels and being away a lot. I knew what I was getting into with all the traveling, but I guess it's gotten old to me now. Part of me also thinks 121 flying is a dead end job. Once you become a captain at a major, there is not much else to do and advance. This is why I think a management position in this industry might be a better choice. I could get an MBA and try to go that route and use the flying experience to get my foot in the door. I'm still learning, however, about how to go in this direction. I am a check airman at the airline so that is a little more responsibility and it has been a good experience.

I guess if you're a check airman, maybe get involved in the union side of things, just for a change of pace? Unless of course, you're at the non-union regional, and then well, all of this starts to make more sense.

Either way, I'm sure right now is an easy time for you to get a leave of absence, to go do whatever is calling your name
 
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Depends on the company, I suppose. In 35 years as an engineer at Lockheed, I’ve never seen a lack of opportunity for creativity and innovation. We are constantly looking for newer and better ways to blow enemy targets to bits.

Blowing stuff up = dream job. :D
 
I dislike staying at hotels and being away a lot. I knew what I was getting into with all the traveling, but I guess it's gotten old to me now. Part of me also thinks 121 flying is a dead end job. Once you become a captain at a major, there is not much else to do and advance. This is why I think a management position in this industry might be a better choice.

I completely agree. I've never seen a situation where someone was dissatisfied or burnt out with the lifestyle of an airline job, then went on to actually be okay with it. You're really young to already feel this way - I don't see it getting any better. Good news is you have a job and income in hand to keep the bills paid while you make the shift to something else.
 
I completely agree. I've never seen a situation where someone was dissatisfied or burnt out with the lifestyle of an airline job, then went on to actually be okay with it. You're really young to already feel this way - I don't see it getting any better. Good news is you have a job and income in hand to keep the bills paid while you make the shift to something else.
Just don’t burn any bridges while you’re figuring out what you want to do when you grow up.
 
Once you become a captain at a major, there is not much else to do and advance.

If this is your core hangup, then you may be right that the industry isn't for you.

Here's what I will offer: what you want out of work and life in your 20s is probably not the same as what you will want in your 30s and definitely not the same as what you will want in your 40s.

I spent my 20s and 30s as a military officer and pilot -- a merit-based job where advancement in jobs and responsibility was really only limited by how much of your life you were willing to pour into it. I loved it as a guy in my 20s and early 30s and basically made my life around that job. I delved deep into the job with everything I had, I made my way through the ranks, had many adventures, had responsibility and leadership...all the things I'd dreamed of in a career and more (good and bad, of course). It was terrific.

But by the time I turned 40, it was no longer my bag. Having spent a lot of time away from home (both deployed to other countries as well as time spent at work on any given day), I realized I was missing a lot of my life *outside* of work. I wasn't able to really spend important time with my family, and by now I had school-aged kids that I wanted to be more involved with. I had a couple hobbies I enjoyed that I'd also been unable to really get into because of the time I had to spend working and the locations the military made me live.

Transitioning into flying for the airlines was like a big ray of sunshine blazing into my life. Unlike being in the Air Force, where the job occupied most of my life and I had to fit fun and family into the narrow spaces it didn't occupy, the airline life has basically inverted those priorities. The job doesn't occupy a large footprint of my life, and allows me to prioritize where I want to live, when I want to work (and be off), and pay attention to my family and my hobbies.

The idea that, as an airline captain "there is not much else to do and advance" sounds like a panacea to me -- way more time and money to do the things I want to do on the side, rather than things to keep me wrapped up in work.

I remember being a 20-something hard-charging fighter pilot and thinking how lame life would be flying a big bus around and "hauling rubber dog**** out of Hong Kong". I never would have entertained the thought that one day I'd be doing exactly that and loving every minute of it.

So, when making a career decision like this, I'd urge you to not just think about what the job *cant* do for you, but what it *can* offer...and that is choices to do whatever you want, however much or little you want, and still make a very good living to support both your family and (possibly) your hobbies and interests out of an airliner cockpit.
 
If this is your core hangup, then you may be right that the industry isn't for you.

Here's what I will offer: what you want out of work and life in your 20s is probably not the same as what you will want in your 30s and definitely not the same as what you will want in your 40s.

I spent my 20s and 30s as a military officer and pilot -- a merit-based job where advancement in jobs and responsibility was really only limited by how much of your life you were willing to pour into it. I loved it as a guy in my 20s and early 30s and basically made my life around that job. I delved deep into the job with everything I had, I made my way through the ranks, had many adventures, had responsibility and leadership...all the things I'd dreamed of in a career and more (good and bad, of course). It was terrific.

But by the time I turned 40, it was no longer my bag. Having spent a lot of time away from home (both deployed to other countries as well as time spent at work on any given day), I realized I was missing a lot of my life *outside* of work. I wasn't able to really spend important time with my family, and by now I had school-aged kids that I wanted to be more involved with. I had a couple hobbies I enjoyed that I'd also been unable to really get into because of the time I had to spend working and the locations the military made me live.

Transitioning into flying for the airlines was like a big ray of sunshine blazing into my life. Unlike being in the Air Force, where the job occupied most of my life and I had to fit fun and family into the narrow spaces it didn't occupy, the airline life has basically inverted those priorities. The job doesn't occupy a large footprint of my life, and allows me to prioritize where I want to live, when I want to work (and be off), and pay attention to my family and my hobbies.

The idea that, as an airline captain "there is not much else to do and advance" sounds like a panacea to me -- way more time and money to do the things I want to do on the side, rather than things to keep me wrapped up in work.

I remember being a 20-something hard-charging fighter pilot and thinking how lame life would be flying a big bus around and "hauling rubber dog**** out of Hong Kong". I never would have entertained the thought that one day I'd be doing exactly that and loving every minute of it.

So, when making a career decision like this, I'd urge you to not just think about what the job *cant* do for you, but what it *can* offer...and that is choices to do whatever you want, however much or little you want, and still make a very good living to support both your family and (possibly) your hobbies and interests out of an airliner cockpit.

I partly agree with ya, but you're kinda making the OP's point for him. You have the benefit of having gainfully digested the fighter pilot thing out of your system over 20 years when you proffer that advice. Our esteemed OP hasn't had the benefit of a cathartic equivalent in his 20s, which was my previous point in the thread about airlines as second careers. Be honest, had you done it in reverse you'd be having the same restlessness while watching F-15s roar by on the ANG side of the airport, while you wait in the taxiway conga line counting your shekels as a major WB FO or whatever the "livin da dream" du jour trope is (pre-corona...).

If I had a quarter for every tom dick and harry regional FO in his late 20s/early 30s flooding my previous units' UPT application board trying to get in (this was before the UPT waiver age revision) before timing out at 30 years old, I'd be retired by now. The synopsis of the cover sheets were all carbon copies of each other: basically a clamor for the existential thirst that your own personal anecdote makes self-evident.


I completely agree. I've never seen a situation where someone was dissatisfied or burnt out with the lifestyle of an airline job, then went on to actually be okay with it.

I have. Several of my peers. All mil types for sure; two I know almost quit. The reason? Juniority. Once they hit enough seniority to make enough money while getting a line, all of a sudden the drunken existential crisis phone calls at 3am went away. Some people might call them fair-weather fans, but the fact remains that job's "lifestyle" is really not as much a monolith as it is portrayed. Regionals, mainline, NB, WB, and most importantly, commuters vs. non-commuters. Might as well be entirely different jobs. It's not a distinction without difference in the least. But I'm preaching to the choir on that front.

The problem of course is, when downgrades happen and you get stuck back at that level of the relative seniority grind that made you want to quit, you better have something holding you over other than longevity pay. Ask the UAL guys how being the plug from 2004-2012 (pre-CAL merger) worked out on the QOL front. At any rate, just saying I've known people who technically have transitioned from wanting to quit to wanting to stay with the passage of time.
 
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At any rate, just saying I've known people who technically have transitioned from wanting to quit to wanting to stay with the passage of time.

That's fair. I was more pointing to what the OP was complaining about - hating the hotel thing, feeling bored or unfulfilled at work - that stuff isn't likely to change. A bag drag is a bag drag, whether it's to/from an RJ or a 777. But yeah, seniority in the seat definitely helps take some of the edge off!
 
If this is your core hangup, then you may be right that the industry isn't for you.

Here's what I will offer: what you want out of work and life in your 20s is probably not the same as what you will want in your 30s and definitely not the same as what you will want in your 40s.

I spent my 20s and 30s as a military officer and pilot -- a merit-based job where advancement in jobs and responsibility was really only limited by how much of your life you were willing to pour into it. I loved it as a guy in my 20s and early 30s and basically made my life around that job. I delved deep into the job with everything I had, I made my way through the ranks, had many adventures, had responsibility and leadership...all the things I'd dreamed of in a career and more (good and bad, of course). It was terrific.

But by the time I turned 40, it was no longer my bag. Having spent a lot of time away from home (both deployed to other countries as well as time spent at work on any given day), I realized I was missing a lot of my life *outside* of work. I wasn't able to really spend important time with my family, and by now I had school-aged kids that I wanted to be more involved with. I had a couple hobbies I enjoyed that I'd also been unable to really get into because of the time I had to spend working and the locations the military made me live.

Transitioning into flying for the airlines was like a big ray of sunshine blazing into my life. Unlike being in the Air Force, where the job occupied most of my life and I had to fit fun and family into the narrow spaces it didn't occupy, the airline life has basically inverted those priorities. The job doesn't occupy a large footprint of my life, and allows me to prioritize where I want to live, when I want to work (and be off), and pay attention to my family and my hobbies.

The idea that, as an airline captain "there is not much else to do and advance" sounds like a panacea to me -- way more time and money to do the things I want to do on the side, rather than things to keep me wrapped up in work.

I remember being a 20-something hard-charging fighter pilot and thinking how lame life would be flying a big bus around and "hauling rubber dog**** out of Hong Kong". I never would have entertained the thought that one day I'd be doing exactly that and loving every minute of it.

So, when making a career decision like this, I'd urge you to not just think about what the job *cant* do for you, but what it *can* offer...and that is choices to do whatever you want, however much or little you want, and still make a very good living to support both your family and (possibly) your hobbies and interests out of an airliner cockpit.
You make some great points. The one thing I do like is, like you mentioned, all the free time that you can have when you're at a major and have a good schedule. This would allow for time to pursue other ventures that otherwise would be challenging with a desk job. Maybe I wouldn't feel this way if I got on with UPS/FedEX. Could be the pax side and associated chaos with COVID that is making things worse.
 
That's fair. I was more pointing to what the OP was complaining about - hating the hotel thing, feeling bored or unfulfilled at work - that stuff isn't likely to change. A bag drag is a bag drag, whether it's to/from an RJ or a 777. But yeah, seniority in the seat definitely helps take some of the edge off!
I've been working on ways to make the hotels bearable. Trying to learn new things on the laptop that make good use of my time. I will usually go for long walks so that helps too. I do feel bored a lot of the time and feel unfulfilled. I am not sure how to combat those feelings.
 
I've been working on ways to make the hotels bearable. Trying to learn new things on the laptop that make good use of my time. I will usually go for long walks so that helps too. I do feel bored a lot of the time and feel unfulfilled. I am not sure how to combat those feelings.

There are some very good bodyweight apps that you can download that will give you a great workout using what is in a hotel room. Exercise is great for burning off excess stress and general well being.

Personally, as an engineer at a desk all my life, I'd love a job where I could work 5-7 days a month, see new places, make enough to live a good life, and have lots of free time. My partner in the Mooney is an 87 FO doing international. He sure doesn't work much, and has lots of money and time to fly the Mooney places and explore. Color me a bit green...
 
I've been working on ways to make the hotels bearable. Trying to learn new things on the laptop that make good use of my time. I will usually go for long walks so that helps too. I do feel bored a lot of the time and feel unfulfilled. I am not sure how to combat those feelings.

And here I thought jobs were supposed to be boring and unfulfilling! ;)

In all honesty, though, working the 9 to 5 grind at the same place at the same time doing the same thing (or close to it) every single last day is one of the most boring and unfulfilling things to do on the planet. If you are feeling that way flying, you probably would feel that way on the ground doing a desk job in about 5.5 or 6 months max. And working a 9 to 5 leaves you with just about no time to do anything, either - if you have an commute at all, you are basically only home to sleep unless you don't sleep much. Pretty much your only free time is on weekends and there is never enough to get everything done.

That said, I have not worked in management of any kind or even had a super awesome job yet. My current job is wiping noses of 10-20 children a day. Definitely not fulfilling and extremely boring. So maybe I am not the best posterchild for the 9 to 5! :D
 
Jokes on you guys! Part 107 drone operations haven't been around long enough for me to get tired of them - but I won't be able to get to that point because they'll automate my job before too many years go by :eek:
 
Sounds like you need a double engine failure over the Hudson to liven things up! Whoops... Nope, Didn't say that...
 
Welcome to the "Adult Conspiracy".
Here's the only news: It's all downhill from here, no matter how much fun you are having.
 
I partly agree with ya, but you're kinda making the OP's point for him

That's all fair commentary, but my point was that the "move up the ladder" exciting job that he seems to crave may not be what it seems, especially as life priorities change over time. I used to crave that too, and ultimately found it an empty and unfulfilling pursuit.

One route offers flexibility (a boring seniority-based job like the airlines) and the other largely doesn't (by the merit-based nature of it). I think it would be a shame to leave a career that gives opportunities for a lot of other life activities that are open enough to find whatever does make OP fulfilled and happy...especially since he doesn't yet know what those things are.
 
That's all fair commentary, but my point was that the "move up the ladder" exciting job that he seems to crave may not be what it seems, especially as life priorities change over time. I used to crave that too, and ultimately found it an empty and unfulfilling pursuit.

One route offers flexibility (a boring seniority-based job like the airlines) and the other largely doesn't (by the merit-based nature of it). I think it would be a shame to leave a career that gives opportunities for a lot of other life activities that are open enough to find whatever does make OP fulfilled and happy...especially since he doesn't yet know what those things are.

Touché. I will give you that. I used to pine over that Viper in my younger years...then life got hard (wife, kid, then sick wife) and I saw the amount of time most of y'all spent in the SCIF, the debrief-to-ASD ratios (especially at the flags ;)), the additional time commitments of the "culture" after-hours et al. All of a sudden my trainer job felt like I was grabbing money by the fistfuls for a living :D Grass is greener and all that jazz.

That and to quote my buddy Mover circa 2010 "...9Gs overrated dude......." :rofl::rockon:
 
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Any advice is appreciated.
Yo! Don't be discouraged, you're still young... I'm 33 and still not sure what I want to do when I grow up..

FWIW a long ago I decided that as much as I love aviation I would not want to turn my hobby and passion into a job. I heard too many horror stories from career pilots who either got furloughed in their forties (now what?!) or ended up becoming bitter and hating aviation. I never really believed in the saying that "if you love what you do you'll never work a day in your life." It sounds nice but this is reality.. part of what keeps something special is the elusive and unattainable nature of it..

My advice to you is to find something that you're good at and you do not hate (you don't have to love it, that's okay) and just be the best that you can be at it in your field and climb that ladder

I am fortunate to have a good job.. I don't love it, but I also don't hate it.. pays the bills and I use my job strictly as a vehicle for a paycheck that I can then take and do fun stuff with


For all the people that found joy with a career in aviation I genuinely give you kudos.. that's rare. Enjoy it and never take it for granted

Good luck man
 
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