Well, your question got answered. Some questions you didn’t ask also got answered. All good food for thought on the general subject of ‘xc time.’ Do you have another question? Ask away. You’ll eventually get it answered and discover more questions to ask, which is a good thing.
The only pedantic part is talking about the point-to-point cross country (landing, no distance), which is only relevant to Part 135 minimums, as though it's important in the context of someone asking about cross country requirements for their certificates and ratings.
Let's make that "except for flights intended to meet the sport, recreational, private, instrument rating, and commercial experience requirements." The >50 nm distance requirement is there for ATP too although the "different airport" is not. Sport and recreational have shorter distance requirements, but they have one.
Sorry. That was hard to tell when you were being pedantic about and highlighting
If you go outside the 50nm radius of your departure airport and land, then the entire flight is considered a cross-country that can be used to qualify for a certificate or rating. That being said, the examiner will certainly talk to you about your cross-country planning and navigation skills, including how spending a month at the "distant" airport just over the hill doing pattern work and logging it all as part of the same flight that brought you there in the first place (some people are too liberal with logging "flights") contributed to those skills. You can fail the oral exam or the check ride by being incapable of planning and executing a cross-country flight, no matter what your logbook shows when you begin the exam.
that's assuming you haven't already ****ed them off with your personality.
that's assuming you haven't already ****ed them off with your personality.
I keep waiting for the one where a private pilot candidate tries to pass off 4 hours of touch & goes as satisfying the 5 hours of solo cross country time.
I don't think anyone actually wants students to get signatures as proof... I monitor my students' cross-country trips on FlightAware.
I couldn’t tellI usually get hired on my good looks alone. the charming personality is just an added bonus.
Only if you really want to not understand them.
Does anyone still request signatures?
Not to my knowledge. I started flying in 1968 and instructing in 2001. I've never known anyone who required signatures, but I have known some pilots older than me who had to do that in the 1950s.
It used to be a thing a long time ago. When we were young.
I haven't been flying nearly as long as you, but that's been my impression as well. My instructor didn't ask for it in the 1990 when I was a student and never required it when I became a CFI. But you have to wonder if there's some enclave which still uses it when it keeps being brought up.
Savage!
I think that might be within the letter but certainly not within the spirit of the rules.
Only if the flight "involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing point." It'd be hard to make the case that some of the flights mentioned in the other thread met that criteria.
Doesn’t every flight involve one of those methods of navigation?
Most definitely!
According to the PHAK, pilotage is navigation by reference to landmarks or checkpoints. An airport could easily be considered a landmark.
Got a landmark on one end of the runway and a landmark at the other, plus an infinite number in between.Ah, but it says "landmarks", plural, does it count if it's only one "landmark"?
You do you, Dana. In the grand scheme of things it makes little difference.Ah, but it says "landmarks", plural, does it count if it's only one "landmark"?
I was in a rural airport in Indiana a couple years ago, and a student pilot in a tomahawk came in right behind me. I was in the fbo when he came in and asked the guy behind the desk to sign his logbook for his xc, so it still happens. My instructor just followed me on flightaware, but maybe the cfi in that case wanted to continue a tradition.
