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Haliaeetus70

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Ok, here's the issue, I've been flying fixed wing since 1986 as a private pilot. I am now about to get my commercial helicopter rating and plan to work in the field. About 10 years ago my car was stolen with my logbook in it, I have around 2100 hours fixed wing, the flying service that I rented the planes from closed about 7-8 years ago, so I can't obtain any record from them, and my friend sold his plane that we used quite a bit, also, my flight medical doctor has since retired. So I can't get records from him either. I don't know what to do?? I need to show my total time for applications even though it's not rotorcraft time, I can't just eat 2100 hours of flight time. I was told I could just fill out a new logbook, but that seems a little wierd to me? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thank You!
 
Here's the FAA guidance on point.
5-172 LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Inspectors should advise airmen that they may reconstruct lost logbooks or flight records by providing a signed statement of previous flight time.

A. Proof of Experience. Airmen may use the following items to substantiate flight time and experience:

· Aircraft logbooks,
· Receipts for aircraft rentals,
· Operator records,
· Copies of airman medical files, and
· Copies of FAA Form 8710‑1, Airman Certificate and/or Rating Application.

B. Obtaining File Copies. Airmen who have lost their logbooks or flight records may request copies of their files from the FAA by writing to the following:

FAA Airmen Certification Branch, AFS-760
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
or
FAA Aeromedical Certification
P.O. Box 25082
Oklahoma City, OK 73125
NOTE: Inspectors should encourage pilots to complete the flight time sections of official record forms, even though it would not be required for that specific certificate. These records document a chronological development of flight time in case personal records become lost.
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5-321 LOST LOGBOOKS OR FLIGHT RECORDS. Aeronautical experience requirements must be shown for a person to be eligible for the issuance or to exercise the privileges of a pilot certificate. A pilot who has lost logbooks or flight time records should be reminded that any fraudulent or intentional false statements concerning aeronautical experience are a basis for suspension or revocation of any certificate or rating held. The pilot who has this problem may, at the discretion of the ASI accepting the application for a pilot certificate or rating, use a signed and notarized statement of previous flight time as the basis for starting a new flight time record. Such a statement should be substantiated by all available evidence, such as aircraft logbooks, receipts for aircraft rentals, and statements of flight operators.
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Haliaeetus70 said:
Ok, here's the issue, I've been flying fixed wing since 1986 as a private pilot. I am now about to get my commercial helicopter rating and plan to work in the field. About 10 years ago my car was stolen with my logbook in it, I have around 2100 hours fixed wing, the flying service that I rented the planes from closed about 7-8 years ago, so I can't obtain any record from them, and my friend sold his plane that we used quite a bit, also, my flight medical doctor has since retired. So I can't get records from him either. I don't know what to do?? I need to show my total time for applications even though it's not rotorcraft time, I can't just eat 2100 hours of flight time. I was told I could just fill out a new logbook, but that seems a little wierd to me? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thank You!
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I am thinking your only choice is to start a new log book with an explanation in the beginning of the lost/stolen previous log book. Use the ongoing medical submittal form to document your hours. You did have current medicals while you flew didn't ya ?

Just an idea.

Ben.
 
Thanks Ron and N801BH for your input, yes I always had current medicals, but like I said my old medical doc no longer practices and I was told by my current CFI that when I started flying helicopter to list just the list my helicopter time on my medical, so my current medical only shows 200 hours. I guess I should have listed my total time on my past 3 medical instead of just heli time?? Anyway this situation sucks and I do appreciate your input, thank you.
 
Like Cap'n Ron said, contact the FAA and get a copy of your last 8710. That should be a decent starting point.
 
Mike I said:
Like Cap'n Ron said, contact the FAA and get a copy of your last 8710 on which you included fixed wing time. That should be a decent starting point.
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Fixed that for you. Unfortunately, I don't have any idea whether they'd be able to do that for you, they may only keep the most recent. Can I ask the OP why he didn't pursue this when the log books were stolen 10 years ago? It would have been a lot easier then.
 
@ gprellwitz, when car/ logbook was stolen I wasn't even thinking about aviation as a career, I was just flying for fun, so I wasn't desperate to replace it. As far as the 8710 goes, was my last 8710 done when I got my last rating??
 
Haliaeetus70 said:
@ gprellwitz, when car/ logbook was stolen I wasn't even thinking about aviation as a career, I was just flying for fun, so I wasn't desperate to replace it. As far as the 8710 goes, was my last 8710 done when I got my last rating??
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I can understand the lack of urgency at the time. From what Ron says, they'll have all of your 8710's. Request them all and take the maximum value from each box.
 
I believe my last 8710 form was for my Private helicopter, which will only show my heli time, the last 8710 form I did before that was my Private fixed wing, which was in 1987 and will only show the hours I had when I received my private? right?? Or am I missing something? Once again, thanks so much for your feedback.
 
Are the hours listed on the medical form a way to reconstruct the previous time? Even though the doc doesn't practice anymore, wouldn't there still be a record on file of the previous medicals in OKC/with the FAA?
 
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