flhrci
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Announced today at the Apple WWDC, iOS 6 comes out in September. Supports iPad 2 and up. Supposed to support 3GS phones and newer from what I have read.
David
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iPad 1 not supported in iOS 6
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Looks like you'll have to hold off on those custom saddlebags for your Harley and get an Ipad 3!
flhrci
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LOL
The saddlebags are custom! from the factory anyways.
Not sure what to do with my iPad 1. May trade it in soon.
Fix your mute issue yet?
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Yeah, I just had a real hard time finding the switch.
But one thing that frustrates me to no end is that on the Iphone (and Ipad), the mute switch is not a hardware shutoff to the speakers and it can be overridden by applications. Like the built in U-Tube app.
I'm sorry, but if I'm provided a mute switch, I want the phone to absolutely, under every condition, STFU. I turned the sound off for a reason.
But one thing that frustrates me to no end is that on the Iphone (and Ipad), the mute switch is not a hardware shutoff to the speakers and it can be overridden by applications. Like the built in U-Tube app.
I'm sorry, but if I'm provided a mute switch, I want the phone to absolutely, under every condition, STFU. I turned the sound off for a reason.
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an app can override the mute switch? That's a foul...and a p*ss-poor design.
I don't have an iPhone, but on the iPad, the "mute" switch is user selectable between the mute function and orientation lock function. I most often use it to lock the screen orientation, and "mute" the volume using the physical volume rocker (if you press and hold volume down, the volume will jump to zero).
It is true that if you use the button as "mute" and have it in the muted position, some applications, such as YouTube, will ignore the setting. I suspect that this is a bug in iOS, as when the volume is set to zero using the volume rocker, the setting is not overridden. I would assume that "mute" should have the same functionality.
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Windows suffers from the same problem. Skype seems to think that when I say MUTE I don't really mean it.
denverpilot
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Other Apps honor the Volume control. Just turn it down. Holding the down volume control will drop the volume to zero in two seconds.
The reason is that some things you do want to hear, like Alarms set in the Clock application. Mute is for the phone functions. For the PDA functions, don't launch them if you don't want to hear them.
YouTube doesn't exactly pop open on its own, and generally most folks don't want to launch it muted. The design makes sense for the majority of users, in that particular case.
If you're running YouTube and want to mute it quickly, hold down the down-volume button. Done. Even better this gives the flexibility to still have the phone ring (or text messages to alert, since SMS is part of the phone feature-set, not the PDA feature-set, although Message Center blurs this a bit.)
My pet peeve is that incoming messages to Message Center aren't muted while you're ON the phone. I don't really appreciate alert tones directly in my ear... most phones will "hold" those alerts until you hang up.
But... I didn't buy iPhones because they were great phones. They're mediocre phones at best and excellent pocket computers. They can't even handle wind noise via DSP removal like most cheap pay-as-you-go freebie phones have built-in these days.
Listening to an iPhone user outdoors in wind is mind-numbing. I utilize the outbound mute extensively when the wind is blowing anything above a gentle breeze.
The reason is that some things you do want to hear, like Alarms set in the Clock application. Mute is for the phone functions. For the PDA functions, don't launch them if you don't want to hear them.
YouTube doesn't exactly pop open on its own, and generally most folks don't want to launch it muted. The design makes sense for the majority of users, in that particular case.
If you're running YouTube and want to mute it quickly, hold down the down-volume button. Done. Even better this gives the flexibility to still have the phone ring (or text messages to alert, since SMS is part of the phone feature-set, not the PDA feature-set, although Message Center blurs this a bit.)
My pet peeve is that incoming messages to Message Center aren't muted while you're ON the phone. I don't really appreciate alert tones directly in my ear... most phones will "hold" those alerts until you hang up.
But... I didn't buy iPhones because they were great phones. They're mediocre phones at best and excellent pocket computers. They can't even handle wind noise via DSP removal like most cheap pay-as-you-go freebie phones have built-in these days.
Listening to an iPhone user outdoors in wind is mind-numbing. I utilize the outbound mute extensively when the wind is blowing anything above a gentle breeze.
Steve Foley
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It's somewhat frustrating to find that the iPad I got a little over a year ago is no longer supported.
wsuffa
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Youtube used to do the same thing in Windows. I don't think it unmutes the speaker any more, but it DOES always come up at full volume, which is annoying to say the least.
IIRC, there are occasions with imbedded YT that start it automatically. At full volume. Very annoying when you're browsing during meetings (as opposed to the old "bull**** bingo" game.
This is a bad behavior, just like Skype unmuting things or FB apps that remain as running apps even when you sign out (force close required). We're still in the days of "software companies think they know best".
IMHO, iPhones and iPads are mediocre computers, too. Too many functions have been crippled because "Apple thinks it knows best". There is an arrogance of "change your process to act the way we want" instead of "the computer is a tool that should adapt to your needs". Android is slightly better, but I don't trust Google. And fuggedabout Windows Mobile.
A little more than a year ago, the iPad 2 was released, which will be supported in iOS 6. If you have an original iPad, Apple will likely still support it with security and other iOS updates for a period of time. Most applications will likely still run just fine and be supported on iOS 5 long after iOS 6 is released.
I suspect that the major constraint of the original iPad is RAM.
JKG
The problem is that the way an individual works may not always be the most productive. I've found that, although adapting to Apple's ways is sometimes an annoyance, Apple is usually right in the long term when it comes to enhancing productivity and delivering the best user experience. A device with a million and one configurable options and little to no user interface consistency is a productivity killer even after you learn how to use the device and all the apps. The real value of a tool isn't in its ability to adapt to you, it's in the ability to help get the job done.
It took Apple to drive widespread adoption of USB, of mobile music players, of useful smartphones (beyond mobile e-mail), of practical tablet computers, of the way content is sold, and of the way that applications are delivered. They weren't the first to do any of those things, but they were the first to drive a stake in the ground with a clear direction which redefined what folks thought of how things could be done. They were the ones who found "the better way" for a majority of users, manufacturers, and publishers, and Apple's success with those things is evidence of that fact.
I think that there are at least two core practices that make Apple different from most other technology companies who employe really smart, creative people: They are willing to take big risks on big ideas, and they don't do anything that they can't do really well. Maybe if other companies, Google included, would stop shipping junk products in an attempt to grab market share, and start perfecting their products before they ship, they'd be able to duplicate Apple's success.
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wsuffa
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It's not Apple's job to fix any such "problem". It's an arrogant attitude to take. Apple cannot tell me that their solution is "most productive" for all applications.
Take, for example, my pet peeve with the iPad. When I travel, I take photographs with a DSLR. I make copies of those photos (from the camera CF card to a device to another memory card) so there are a minimum of 2, and usually 3 copies. While the iPad will read (import those photos, but not display the "raw" images), it cannot write those photos back out to an external memory card. In fact, it can't even read the CF cards directly - it doesn't support CF nor multi-format adapters.
So, I have to carry a netbook to do what I need to do. Uploading the pictures (4-16 GB of raw files is impractical (and many times impossible) when I'm out of the US - and at most places in the US. Carrying some kind of an external drive (instead of a SDHC/CF/??? card) is not practical, with more capital cost. Buying a new DSLR just to use SD for $thousands is not practical, and dosen't solve the copying problem.
So, Apple can't get the job done. Period. Even if one has to change their work flow to adapt to the technology.
The real value of a tool is in it's ability to help you get the job done in a manner that's efficient for you. Not to make you conform to it's designer's whims.
Junk products <> stuff that forces you into one way of doing things.
Don't get me wrong, Apple has developed (for lack of a better word) a "cultish" or "closed" system - once you get in, they've made it such that you have to buy more and more Apple stuff.... making it harder to change. Maybe we should call it the Hotel California system. Some things do very well - the iPad is a tool useful for some purposes and crippled for others that are well within the realm of it's potential capabilities. It's designed to convince you to buy an Apple laptop, Apple accessories, etc. But I can't print from it directly to my networked Postscript printer, I have to buy a new printer that incorporates their airprint technology.
rpadula
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iPhone 3GS is being supported, w/600 MHz ARM A8, SGX535 graphics, & 256 MB RAM.
iPad 1 = same as above but 1 GHz A8.
Technically, I'm just not getting it. Except maybe it's proof that Steve Jobs is still alive?
rpadula
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There are very few modern designs where a switch is a hard cutoff like that. Everything is software controllable now.
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Then why bother putting a hardware switch on in the first place.
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OK, so the iPad can't get this done. Does that really mean Apple is arrogant or just that it's not the right tool for this particular job?
The way I see it, iPads are consumer devices that come in 16/32/64 GB flavors, so it would be like stuffing 10 lbs of photos into a 5 lb bag if you're just looking for the iPad to be a temporary offload buffer for your CF card. Also, just because it can't now, doesn't mean it won't in the future. Take a look at how there is now an iPhoto app when there wasn't one before.
That said, I think there is a solution for you. The iPad Camera connection kit has dongles that accept USB or SD cards. Right there in the description, it says support for RAW. Obviously, you don't need the SD adapter. Instead, use the camera's USB cable to the Apple dongle. People are reporting that it does indeed take in the RAW images:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2409223?start=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/message/11422894#11422894
Apparently, the trick to then getting the RAWs out of the iPad is to hook it up to your PC, but instead of letting iPhoto launch and sync them in, you use the "Import" function on Aperture or Lightroom to get the RAWs.
I have not personally tried this, but found it in about 10 minutes of Googling out of curiosity, especially since I just got a 60D last month!
rpadula
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Because people like to touch things.
wsuffa
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It could be the ideal tool for the job. Apple has chosen to ensure the port cannot be used to write back out.
Arrogance refers to the idea of forcing folks to change workflow to do what some software designer though was "best". So why choose the iPad? Because Foreflight doesn't work on Android.
The issue is not stuffing it into the iPad, it's using the iPad to do a simple "copy photos in - write them back out to a blank card".
I do have the CCK. It works. But it only allows import - you can't write ANYTHING back out. And it does import RAW just fine. I'm just wondering how long it'll be until I lose it (it's small).
So, to engage in my standard workflow (take photos, import them into a device, write back out on blank card, carry both cards back in separate bags & reduce risk of loss/card failure), I can't do it on the iPad.
Yeah, I think that works. Thee issue is not RAW vs JPEG, it's getting the photos back out when traveling without carrying a laptop.
There's also some other software apps that allow one to do an FTP or other type of transfer to a computer. What it means, though, is that in order to maintain 2 copies of the photos when traveling, I either need 1) to carry a laptop/netbook, meaning there is no need to have the iPad, 2) get a fast/big enough data pipe out of the hotel or wireless carrier to FTP/transfer the photos back over a VPN to a NAS box (or some kind of cloud carrier), or 3) get a separate portable hard drive that interfaces wirelessly with the iPad onto which one can store the photos. From a practical & cost standpoint, I have yet to find a broadband connection that's robust enough to send back large JPEGs, much less RAW files. As for carrying an external storage box, might as well just carry the netbook and forget the iPad.
It's really too bad, the iPad could be perfect for this application. But Apple wants to force folks into using wifi to interface, and they want to impose port limits in the name of "conserving power" - I'd gladly trade the power issue for the ability to write back out the port when I need/want to.
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I've never owned a cell phone where the speaker wires ran though the mute switch. ALL of them were software controlled. The difference is in how the software is implemented. The only phones I've seen that hardware switch the speaker are cheap desk phones. Good ones don't do that anymore either.
Even a simple firmware only routine and interrupt trigger to read the switch and act on it is "software". Analog switch inputs are also usually de-bounced in low level "software", etc.
Using an analog switch to disconnect speaker wires went away in the 70s. Noisy contacts tend to blow up audio amps and/or damage speakers.
As far as the rants about Apple forcing their methods on anyone, my usual advice still stands. If you've done all the research and found that the devices don't meet your needs, don't buy them. I agree with the poster who said iPad isn't necessarily a good fit for a pro photographer. Wrong tool for the job. iPad is a good fit for the average photographer.
That's Apple's business smarts. They really don't care about the 20%... they design for the 80%. The funny part is that the 20% don't GET that and complain about it. Apple just smiles and counts their profits...
rpadula
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Ah, I see. I didn't originally catch the part about wanting to write out to another card as a backup copy.
rpadula
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You're talking to a guy who cut his teeth on 6502 assembly language and Forest Mims' Engineers Notebook from Radio Shack.
wsuffa
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Problem is that it would take only one minor firmware change to make the device infinitely more useful for me. For the purpose of electronic flight bag, it's great. As a web access/email device it's fine (excepting the part about websites that use Flash). For displaying photos and reading books, fine.
Instead, I now have to carry multiple devices at additional weight and cost. The netbook is pretty useless as an EFB.
Simply allowing the device to write out to a memory card would eliminate a lot of butthurt for me. I'm generally not doing photo manipulation on the road (neither the netbook nor the iPad are powerful enough).
Easy enough, and it would be simple enough to do. In the earlier iOS versions one could used the CKK with a USB multi-card reader to read CF cards, but that's not a big deal like writing back out to a memory card is.
Maybe if Apple underwrote high-speed connections around the world, 'cause I can easily spend the cost of this device in bandwidth over the course of a month or two.
You're talking to a guy who cut his teeth on 6502 assembly language and Forest Mims' Engineers Notebook from Radio Shack.
Oh, you were one of those. Probably had an OSI computer, too.
I started on an 8080 and progressed up the Intel/Zilog chain (8086, Z80, etc). First computer I built was from S100 cards sold by Jade Computer Products....
denverpilot
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Ahh, the famous "an easy software change, with little risk and no added support costs or duties". Should I share the butt-hurts that cock and bull line has caused me in a sysadmin career?
One could argue that the camera should have two slots and be able to copy/backup a card too. It doesn't.
A friend who shoots professionally has a little portable hard disk that you just shove a card into and hit a button and it copies the contents of the card onto the drive. Battery powered I believe.
If all you really need is card backup, there's solutions that are cheap. No need to carry the netbook.
It sounds like the root cause is a lack of a great in-flight App for Android. Once you have that you'll dump the iPad. I assume, anyway.
One could argue that the camera should have two slots and be able to copy/backup a card too. It doesn't.
A friend who shoots professionally has a little portable hard disk that you just shove a card into and hit a button and it copies the contents of the card onto the drive. Battery powered I believe.
If all you really need is card backup, there's solutions that are cheap. No need to carry the netbook.
It sounds like the root cause is a lack of a great in-flight App for Android. Once you have that you'll dump the iPad. I assume, anyway.
rpadula
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Oh, you were one of those. Probably had an OSI computer, too.
Dang tootin'. Intel could stuff their segmented memory addressing where the sun don't shine as far as I was concerned (sorry Ghery!). Although, now we just leave it all to the compiler!
First owned computer was an Apple //e, although I was exposed to the Commodore PET before that. I do remember Jade Computer.
denverpilot
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First machine here was a Tandy Color Computer Model I in (ironically?) 1984. 16K of RAM and I did Machine Language/Assembly on a Motorola 6809E and later, Microware OS/9 for the high level stuff.
Soldered in my own "stacked" RAM upgrade to 64K later.
Agreed that Intel chips later pizz'd me off with their goofy memory mapping. Then like a dog to its own vomit, I chose to play with MicroChip PIC processors instead of Atmel AVR micros and got to fight with that goofy memory configuration all over again, a couple of decades later. Dumb dumb dumb.
Soldered in my own "stacked" RAM upgrade to 64K later.
Agreed that Intel chips later pizz'd me off with their goofy memory mapping. Then like a dog to its own vomit, I chose to play with MicroChip PIC processors instead of Atmel AVR micros and got to fight with that goofy memory configuration all over again, a couple of decades later. Dumb dumb dumb.
wsuffa
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the perhaps I'll share the butthurt about IT managers and admins that would ask me to approve budgets that were half the time and cost that it would actually take. :wink2: "no, I know backup data centers cost more than that, try again"Ahh, the famous "an easy software change, with little risk and no added support costs or duties". Should I share the butt-hurts that cock and bull line has caused me in a sysadmin career?
There is no hardware reason it can't work. I'd be willing to bet that it's a "power" decision, which is a decision I ought to be able to make given my circumstances.... Not Apple.
I need a backup, and I need an Internet device. In one box, not two. It's easier to carry a small, thin iPad than another box or netbook.
I have reasons to dislike Android, too. Different reasons. No plans to leave FF unless there is something game changing. I've still got Flightstar from Jepp....
Once I invested in a capital asset, I intend to use it to its fullest possible capability.
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the perhaps I'll share the butthurt about IT managers and admins that would ask me to approve budgets that were half the time and cost that it would actually take. :wink2: "no, I know backup data centers cost more than that, try again"
LOL. Those are awful sysadmins and managers.
They should know you ask for double what it'll cost and work down from there!
Is it actually common for you to see budget requests for lower than it would take to build something significant like that?
I was kidding about double, but not having a freakin' clue about how much a project that big actually costs kinda makes me wonder if they're completely clueless about how to build it.
That said, many companies disconnect the front line (even Senior) staff so far from cost information these days that maybe I could see them having to come ask about specific components so they could build the engineering docs.
Usually places that do that do have a formal Purchasing department, however... who can answer questions. Even if it's informally.
Apple doesn't claim that their solution is "most productive" for all applications, but it is most productive for a majority of them. A device can't be perfect for everything, and one that can be tailored to almost every situation can't possibly be reliably intuitive for the majority of operators. Most folks are not IT geeks, and that is especially true of Apple's target market (consumers).
Most consumers don't want to tinker with their device, they don't care about having it adapt to their every nuance, they just want it to work without too much effort. Apple understands this, and that's why they're so successful. If folks didn't like Apple's products, they wouldn't buy them.
The iPad, by the way, isn't being sold as a laptop replacement, but rather as complementary device. That is a role which it plays quite well.
JKG
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kimberlyanne546
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I got the original iPad - used - (and ForeFlight) as a gift this year. Foreflight subscription won't run out until next January or February (roughly). Will I be OK through then? How much longer do you think it will work for me? I can't afford to buy an iPad 2 and was hoping this would last several years. Darn.
denverpilot
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Have there been any announcements that the device will be unsupported by Apple even after the new iOS is released that won't run on it? No.
Has there been an announcement that Foreflight will stop supporting the device? No.
Not seeing a good reason to even ask the question.
And the answer is: "When they say so."
They'll tell ya when it's dead. Wouldn't worry much about it. It won't turn into a pumpkin at midnight.
kimberlyanne546
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Easy there, mister. This is my first apple anything and I had no idea. I am not a fan of Apple but love what this device does to help me fly.
wsuffa
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Correct. The intent is to get you to buy both (for more $$$), even if only one could suffice. Or drive you to the iCloud which keeps you in their walled-garden with the hope of deriving more $$$ from you.
Those of us that travel (as lightly as possible) don't want to haul two devices, particularly when one is heavier and harder to use than the other.
I have no issue with a company desiring to make a profit, what I do have an issue with is a company that puts (artificial) limits on what you can do with a device that you purchase. Note that they've tried to stop folks from rooting their devices.
At the same time, I also have issues with Google (Android) and it's data collection and usage practices.
denverpilot
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Sorry, it's been over 100F for too long here. I'm cranky. House is a lovely 87F right now. Hotter upstairs in the bedroom. No sleep.
Nevertheless. No announcements of anything except that the new version of iOS won't be able to be we'd on the original iPad.
The Internet will say the Sky is Falling, though...