Vance Breese
Cleared for Takeoff
Another recent thread started me wondering about my designated examiners interpretation of the training requirements.
The training I took for my private pilot, rotorcraft-gyroplane rating included most of the training requirements for commercial rotorcraft gyroplane except for the instrument requirement.
I am blind in one eye and have had a TBI so my training was probably more extensive than most private pilot rotorcraft-gyroplane pilots.
I trained with a CFI for three hours in preparation for the practical and learned to fly a fixed wing for the 2.5 hours on the control and maneuvering of a gyroplane solely by reference to instruments using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems.
The way my DPE interpreted this section was that any training I received for my private pilot, rotorcraft-gyroplane rating did not count for my commercial training requirements. He felt only training I received after my private pilot rotorcraft/gyroplane rating would count toward the training requirements of the commercial gyroplane rating.
It appears to me it would work the same for commercial training for single engine but I included the rotorcraft- gyroplane training requirements just in case there is something different because I understand most of you are fixed wing pilots.
I am working to become a gyroplane CFI so it would be helpful if I had a better understanding of the FARs.
I am working a trade show this weekend so I may not get to see the opinions right away so thank you in advance
(d) For a gyroplane rating. A person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category and gyroplane class rating must log at least 150 hours of flight time as a pilot (of which 5 hours may have been accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a gyroplane) that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 25 hours must be in gyroplanes.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 10 hours in gyroplanes; and
(ii) 3 hours in cross-country flight in gyroplanes.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in § 61.127(b)(4) of this part that includes at least—
(i) 2.5 hours on the control and maneuvering of a gyroplane solely by reference to instruments using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. This aeronautical experience may be performed in an aircraft, flight simulator, flight training device, or an aviation training device;
(ii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a gyroplane in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iii) Two hours of flight training during nighttime conditions in a gyroplane at an airport, that includes 10 takeoffs and 10 landings to a full stop (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern); and
(iv) Three hours in a gyroplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.
The training I took for my private pilot, rotorcraft-gyroplane rating included most of the training requirements for commercial rotorcraft gyroplane except for the instrument requirement.
I am blind in one eye and have had a TBI so my training was probably more extensive than most private pilot rotorcraft-gyroplane pilots.
I trained with a CFI for three hours in preparation for the practical and learned to fly a fixed wing for the 2.5 hours on the control and maneuvering of a gyroplane solely by reference to instruments using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems.
The way my DPE interpreted this section was that any training I received for my private pilot, rotorcraft-gyroplane rating did not count for my commercial training requirements. He felt only training I received after my private pilot rotorcraft/gyroplane rating would count toward the training requirements of the commercial gyroplane rating.
It appears to me it would work the same for commercial training for single engine but I included the rotorcraft- gyroplane training requirements just in case there is something different because I understand most of you are fixed wing pilots.
I am working to become a gyroplane CFI so it would be helpful if I had a better understanding of the FARs.
I am working a trade show this weekend so I may not get to see the opinions right away so thank you in advance
(d) For a gyroplane rating. A person who applies for a commercial pilot certificate with a rotorcraft category and gyroplane class rating must log at least 150 hours of flight time as a pilot (of which 5 hours may have been accomplished in a flight simulator or flight training device that is representative of a gyroplane) that consists of at least:
(1) 100 hours in powered aircraft, of which 25 hours must be in gyroplanes.
(2) 100 hours of pilot-in-command flight time, which includes at least—
(i) 10 hours in gyroplanes; and
(ii) 3 hours in cross-country flight in gyroplanes.
(3) 20 hours of training on the areas of operation listed in § 61.127(b)(4) of this part that includes at least—
(i) 2.5 hours on the control and maneuvering of a gyroplane solely by reference to instruments using a view-limiting device including attitude instrument flying, partial panel skills, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, and intercepting and tracking navigational systems. This aeronautical experience may be performed in an aircraft, flight simulator, flight training device, or an aviation training device;
(ii) One 2-hour cross country flight in a gyroplane in daytime conditions that consists of a total straight-line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure;
(iii) Two hours of flight training during nighttime conditions in a gyroplane at an airport, that includes 10 takeoffs and 10 landings to a full stop (with each landing involving a flight in the traffic pattern); and
(iv) Three hours in a gyroplane with an authorized instructor in preparation for the practical test within the preceding 2 calendar months from the month of the test.
