How come there's still no NTSB report for N79396?

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Just curious if anybody knows how this works. There are a bunch of prelim. reports published already for 1/1/2022, but not this one.
 
Salty said:
Just curious if anybody knows how this works. There are a bunch of prelim. reports published already for 1/1/2022, but not this one.
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These guys have squashed the investigation? https://citrusworldinc.com/foundation/ Because it wasn't really a 'crash'?:devil: Punchlines aside, my guess is because it wasn't that significant. They only gots so many people and there are a lot of mis/mrs/mrhaps. They have to prioritize. Next time don't do such a good job of gitin er down. Like put it down in somebody famouses back yard.
 
Did the NTSB even take the incident or did they leave it in the hands of the FAA?
 
The Faa reported it to the NTSB, but the NTSB has not contacted me.
 
Salty said:
Just curious if anybody knows how this works. There are a bunch of prelim. reports published already for 1/1/2022, but not this one.
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You should have been given the number for the NTSB IIC. It's the IIC's decision when the prelim gets released. There are various reasons controlling when it does get released. Some as simple as IIC work load. Perhaps call the IIC?
 
Salty said:
The Faa reported it to the NTSB, but the NTSB has not contacted me.
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Having not read all of the details from the original post about your incident, it could be possible the NTSB doesn't take the incident if no one was seriously hurt.
 
Bell206 said:
You should have been given the number for the NTSB IIC. It's the IIC's decision when the prelim gets released. There are various reasons controlling when it does get released. Some as simple as IIC work load. Perhaps call the IIC?
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What is an IIC? I was not given any NTSB info, FAA person said they would contact me.
 
If it was deemed just an incident, the NTSB would not investigate. They only investigate if it meets the definition of an accident.

IIC = Investigator In Charge.
 
Insurance company has determined the plane is a loss. The damage was much worse than I realized the day of the accident. That should make it an accident.
 
Salty said:
The Faa reported it to the NTSB, but the NTSB has not contacted me.
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They are building a dossier on you. When you do get the call, watch out:goofy: Or they are scared of you. It's that Salty dude, we ain't mixin it up with him:ihih:
 
Salty said:
I was not given any NTSB info, FAA person said they would contact me.
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If the NTSB didnt travel to the site then the local FSDO becomes their agent. However, all NTSB reports have an IIC. Perhaps call the local FSDO guy and ask them if you can have the IIC name and contact info "for your records" . Another route is to see if your insurance guy has the IIC info. Have seen some prelims take months just due to work load.
 
Racerx said:
I'd start cold calling the ntsb. "I think y'all want to talk to me. I'm available whenever you'd like"
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My wife did that (on my suggestion) after she was an eyewitness to a train derailment. She was informed that they did not, in fact, want to talk to her. No explanation was given.

Nauga,
and an unscheduled coal delivery
 
Racerx said:
I'd start cold calling the ntsb. "I think y'all want to talk to me. I'm available whenever you'd like"
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No thank you.
 
The definition of “aircraft accident” in 49 CFR 830 requires “substantial damage”. The definition of “substantial damage” explicitly excludes a lot of stuff that you and I would probably consider “substantial”. For example, damage to the landing gear and flaps and propeller is not considered substantial.

So an insurance company could easily total an aircraft even if the damage did not rise to the substantial level as defined in part 830.

Of course, I don’t know the level of damage to your airplane, but just throwing this out there.
 
  • The right wing spar is destroyed
  • The left fuel tank was punctured (about an 8” diameter hole in the bottom)
  • The left gear was jammed through the top of the wing
  • The left skins are deformed showing the outline of the frame underneath along the entire left side of the aircraft.
  • The horizontal spar is destroyed.
  • The tail cone is significantly bent out of shape.
  • the rails of my seat are bent out of shape along with the support below
  • My seat is pretty much destroyed
Seems like significant damage to me.

I didn’t know about all this damage until recently.

My agent did say they were surprised by the amount of damage, so maybe they will notify the ntsb and ntsb will go look at it.
 
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nauga said:
My wife did that (on my suggestion) after she was an eyewitness to a train derailment. She was informed that they did not, in fact, want to talk to her. No explanation was given.
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Many years ago I saw a murder victim get stuffed under a pile of brush where the old drive in theater used to be. 2 people pulled the body of the child from the trunk of the car and shoved it into the pile. We did not realize it was a person until the smell started a couple days later along with the release of the description of the car they were looking for.

When I told the investigators my story, they did not want to hear about a second person. I was told to stop telling the story with the second person. Reason: I figure they already had their main suspect. He eventually plead guilty, waived all appeals and was executed within the year. The investigator got his conviction and execution and did not want to have to look for the second person. Someone got away with it.
 
Tarheelpilot said:
Why do you care? If they want to talk to you they will call if not ****em
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I don’t. I’m just curious how it works.

there are already prelim reports that say “ntsb did not travel to the site” from accidents that happened after mine, I just thought that was odd.
 
They will call you or they won’t. I’ve had two. One they called and were a major pain in the butt until I finally told the guy to stop calling me. The other one I never heard from them at all.

I preferred the one where I never talked to them at all.
 
what's in store for the replacement? Another 20C or has the current market soured the proposition of a same-type replacement.
 
Two deaths in my airplane and the NTSB nor FAA interview me about owning it or being the last person to fly it prior…published a report no problem…I thought it was weird but probably did not want to answer my questions…
 
The NTSB usually doesn't get involved unless there is a fatality or it's a high profile case. They delegate the investigation to the local FSDO, who may in turn delegate it to the local cops.
 
Salty said:
I don’t. I’m just curious how it works.

there are already prelim reports that say “ntsb did not travel to the site” from accidents that happened after mine, I just thought that was odd.
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Yeah, don’t poke the bear.

If tweaked, the NTSB will likely not only question you but also your passenger. If you hold any hope that your wife will fly with you again, it might be advisable to avoid them pestering her if you can.
 
The NTSB and the FAA are notified of all aircraft accidents. As was stated before, the NTSB will delegate the investigation to the FSDO unless it is a high profile event. The FAA investigates and turns over the information to the NTSB. The NTSB determines probable cause on all aircraft accidents, even if they didn't gather the information in the field.

Some investigations are complicated, requiring lots of interviews and data gathering. Others are more straightforward (I forgot to get gas, I looked down when the engine quit and both tanks were empty). This can have an impact on the length it takes to file a report. Also, COVID.

BTW, in a nutshell, the substantial damage is structural. Rip off the nosewheel: minor damage. Bend the firewall while ripping off the nosewheel: substantial damage. Lose an entire engine off of a 727 in flight: minor damage!
 
If they sent the engine to the manufacturer for tear down it can take a few months. Nonfatals don't get a lot of rush.
 
RussR said:
So an insurance company could easily total an aircraft
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And they have been with more gusto in recent years. Some have been completing 8050s, dereg it as destroyd and turning in the data plates.
Salty said:
there are already prelim reports that say “ntsb did not travel to the site” from accidents that happened after mine, I just thought that was odd.
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Not really. In mores cases they do not travel to the site but they still retain all the responsibility of the investigation and reports.
Dana said:
They delegate the investigation to the local FSDO, who may in turn delegate it to the local cops.
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FYI: while the NTSB can delegate some parts of the field work to the FAA it cant be delegated any further. Some states have their own laws about aircraft accidents and perform a separate investigation. There have been a few "discussions" over jurisdiction in the past with the locals taking a backseat everytime when federal law intervenes.
 
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