Heard on the radio this morning
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JohnR
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Pretty sad.
Maybe it was the FO's first flight to the US and it was a hazing ritual by the Captain. "You handle the radios while I go to the bathroom. Don't worry, they speak Chinese here."
The controller sounded a little like Dennis Miller.
Maybe it was the FO's first flight to the US and it was a hazing ritual by the Captain. "You handle the radios while I go to the bathroom. Don't worry, they speak Chinese here."
The controller sounded a little like Dennis Miller.
There's an episode of Betty in the Sky with a Suitcase where a pilto tells of a similar conversation with a Mehicana.
"Rod her. Cleared for takeoff!"
NOOOOOO! HOLD!
There was an incident with an Air China getting lost and taxiing across the active at O'Hare, too. On that one it was very close to a disaster.
"Rod her. Cleared for takeoff!"
NOOOOOO! HOLD!
There was an incident with an Air China getting lost and taxiing across the active at O'Hare, too. On that one it was very close to a disaster.
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Actually it was a United 747 that got lost taxing in the fog and was told to stop when they told the ground controler where they THOUGHT they were. They stopped on the active runway. An Air China or maybe Korean Air 74 saw it at the last min, and at something like 90kts yanked it off the ground missing the other 74 by what must have been inches.
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No. I remember the controller who couldn't make the China/Korean 747 captain understand, screaming "STOPPPP!!"
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I must be thinking of a different incident.
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Wasn't it an Air China flight that, on 9/11 when FAA was getting planes out of the air, couldn't understand ATC's instructions and caused fighters to scramble and 'escort' them to Anchorage.
If I remember correctly, this Air China/Korean Air/etc. 747, was over Alaska enroute to somewhere in the lower 48. When the text message was sent to aircraft informing them of the possible mass-hijackings, and to squawk 7500 if something bad happens, they misunderstood the message and indeed squawked 7500. When ATC queried about their squawk code, they couldn't understand him enough to get things straightened out. Fighters were scrambled and they were escorted to Anchorage/Fairbanks somewhere. When on the ground, it was all straightened out, but it is similar to this instance.
EDIT: Here is a link to the story.. Not exactly like I remember it, but somewhat similar. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/08/14/alaska.sept11/index.html
If I remember correctly, this Air China/Korean Air/etc. 747, was over Alaska enroute to somewhere in the lower 48. When the text message was sent to aircraft informing them of the possible mass-hijackings, and to squawk 7500 if something bad happens, they misunderstood the message and indeed squawked 7500. When ATC queried about their squawk code, they couldn't understand him enough to get things straightened out. Fighters were scrambled and they were escorted to Anchorage/Fairbanks somewhere. When on the ground, it was all straightened out, but it is similar to this instance.
EDIT: Here is a link to the story.. Not exactly like I remember it, but somewhat similar. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/08/14/alaska.sept11/index.html
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While I find this funny, this is one of the reason non-standard phraseology is bad.
"Have you been cleared to the ramp?"
To someone who is struggling to understand what is being said, just hearing "Cleared to the ramp" before grasping the first part can be tough.
That doesn't make it ok, but hopefully this will weigh on those who insist on using non-standard phraseology. BTW, that pilot needs to learn English a bit better, not because English is so great, but because ICAO requires it. Sigh.
"Have you been cleared to the ramp?"
To someone who is struggling to understand what is being said, just hearing "Cleared to the ramp" before grasping the first part can be tough.
That doesn't make it ok, but hopefully this will weigh on those who insist on using non-standard phraseology. BTW, that pilot needs to learn English a bit better, not because English is so great, but because ICAO requires it. Sigh.
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the problem is Nick, that standard phraseology cannot cover all situations. after the fiasco of trying to get the guy taxiing off the runway, the ground controller obviously didnt want to let him go further unless he knew where he was going. no need to have a 747 wandering about JFK. and FWIW the ground controllers always check with inbound flights after landing as to whether they have figured out their gate yet. Listening to JFK tower and ground is a great way to pass the day at work.
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I listen to JFK quite a bit. These guys really do so well, there's little to no room for ambiguous instructions. Had the pilot been cleared for his ramp the controller's response would have been "Taxi to your ramp, monitor point nine." as long as there are no other reasons for delay.
More often than not, it's the pilot not following instructions. It sort of goes along with the statistic, "86% of all aviation accidents are pilot error."
This from a thread Brook posted a few months back:
http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3
More often than not, it's the pilot not following instructions. It sort of goes along with the statistic, "86% of all aviation accidents are pilot error."
This from a thread Brook posted a few months back:
http://home.online.no/~chainly/JFKGround.mp3