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Roy Gertig

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Directions say to "introduce yourself and jump right in". I am Roy Gertig out of Bellevue, NE. I currently have a Private Pilot ASELS w/ instruments. Haven't used it in 50yrs and am looking to get back into the cockpit. I was also ready to take my Commercial checkride, but had to go overseas. I am also toying with the idea of a helicopter license. This seems to be elusive.
 
welcome to POA. 50 years is quite a break, when did you stop flying? Helicopter license would be fun, but expensive. What will you be flying? Good luck and have fun
 
Congrats. I took a break after 20 years. I just had my PPL for a few years and then work out ahead of me. Friend of mine pushed him and I have my IFR and working on a commercial for fun. Hardest part will be getting used to the technology the easy part is the flying.
Welcome to POA
 
welcome to POA. 50 years is quite a break, when did you stop flying? Helicopter license would be fun, but expensive. What will you be flying? Good luck and have fun
THANKS Bill, probably will go back to Cessna / Pipers. (C-150 / C-172 / PA-140 / PA-180). I've got several hours in a C-150 aerobat. Joke is that when you do an eight-point roll in one, you dump a quart of oil out each point. My last PIC was in Rome, NY in Aug '79.
 
wow, I thought I had a long rusty pilot spell at about 17 years. I was about the same as you...working on commercial when life got in the way. I had gone about 4 years down, then in the '02-'03 timeframe I current again for VFR and logged about 20 or so flights and starting working to get my IFR currency back up to snuff... then life got in the way again. 17 years later I took AOPA's Rusty Pilot Seminar & went up a few times..that was just before the big Covid 'scare' and I laid off again...so those few flights almost don't count...so now I'm kinda pushing 18-19 years....Now that kinda seems like nothing!

It was fun to get back up there a bit though.... I have continued to read the magazines and such all those years, although not to the degree I used to. Still, I think it helped a bit that I had kept my brain in the game a little bit. The "yoke and rudder" flying came right back to me... the FAR/administrative side of things is where I felt really behind. Instructor said he's seen folks take a year off and be worse than I was with the flying part. He was probably just trying to make me feel good...but I hope your flight goes as well!

Anyway...have you heard of that Rusty Pilot Seminar?
https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/lapsed-pilots/rusty-pilots/rusty-pilot-seminars
If you've got one near you, it was decent. Honestly not a game changer for me and nothing that an hour or three of 1on1 ground instruction wouldn't give you, but it's a decent jump start and counts for the ground portion of a BFR.
 
Directions say to "introduce yourself and jump right in". I am Roy Gertig out of Bellevue, NE. I currently have a Private Pilot ASELS w/ instruments. Haven't used it in 50yrs and am looking to get back into the cockpit. I was also ready to take my Commercial checkride, but had to go overseas. I am also toying with the idea of a helicopter license. This seems to be elusive.
 
wow, I thought I had a long rusty pilot spell at about 17 years. I was about the same as you...working on commercial when life got in the way. I had gone about 4 years down, then in the '02-'03 timeframe I current again for VFR and logged about 20 or so flights and starting working to get my IFR currency back up to snuff... then life got in the way again. 17 years later I took AOPA's Rusty Pilot Seminar & went up a few times..that was just before the big Covid 'scare' and I laid off again...so those few flights almost don't count...so now I'm kinda pushing 18-19 years....Now that kinda seems like nothing!

It was fun to get back up there a bit though.... I have continued to read the magazines and such all those years, although not to the degree I used to. Still, I think it helped a bit that I had kept my brain in the game a little bit. The "yoke and rudder" flying came right back to me... the FAR/administrative side of things is where I felt really behind. Instructor said he's seen folks take a year off and be worse than I was with the flying part. He was probably just trying to make me feel good...but I hope your flight goes as well!

Anyway...have you heard of that Rusty Pilot Seminar?
https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/lapsed-pilots/rusty-pilots/rusty-pilot-seminars
If you've got one near you, it was decent. Honestly not a game changer for me and nothing that an hour or three of 1on1 ground instruction wouldn't give you, but it's a decent jump start and counts for the ground portion of a BFR.
THANKS for the feedback Brad,
I had not heard of that seminar, so I'll take a look. You're definitely right that things have changed immensely since I started flying back in 1970 in Danbury, CT. I loved hanging around pilot lounges and going to AM pancake breakfast fly-ins. I had a whole library of books starting with "Stick and Rudder". I subscribed to Flying Magazine, was a member of AOPA and NPA. I also had a subscription to an outfit I can't remember the name of. It's purpose was weekly issues of where pilot jobs were, how to enhance your career, etc. It wasn't cheap, but I really wanted to be a professional pilot. I started a come-back upon returning from overseas to get ready for it, but when my Lt.Col buds with 5000hrs PIC weren't finding work, that was not good news. I miss a lot about the old days. The sandwiches (Tom's) in the lounge, the local FSS with teletype :), publications that seem to no longer exist or updated. In 1970, my PPL course was $1296.00. I didn't finish there, but did in Kirksville, MO (College). I could rent a C-150 for $12.00/hr! Up the way, Piper was renting for $18.00/hr. Now look at what you have to pay to rent a plane! I really have to justify that amount of $$$ and then need to keep current both VFR and IFR. That's history for ya. Take care!
 
That, what you described about the cost, is exactly what started my layoff. I learned to fly in the early 90's in Willimasburg VA...think my PPL cost in the $3,000 ballpark. Can't remember for sure, but I think the 150's and 152's rented for around about $35 wet, the 172 was around $45 wet I think. By the late 90's I was in Atlanta and was paying more than that to rent, but not much... I want to say the 172's were maybe $60-ish, which seems about right trending inflation. Then I moved and only just a couple years later 1 hour rental ate up most of a $100 bill. The higher performance stuff was of course more. They were typical rentals, not well maintained, availability would be hit and miss, etc... It was costing too much for what I was getting. I decided that the only way it makes sense for me to keep flying is to finally buy something.... so I hatched a plan...but then before I did I got laid off, eventually had kids, etc...

Anyway, something happened because the rental rates went up more than the inflation calculators say...so i don't think it's just the value of a dollar. Your $12 in 1970 calculates to be about $40 in 1990..... which is close to what I was paying. The $45 I was paying in 1990 for the 172 should be ballpark $100 today it seems, but around here an equivalent 172 rents for $165...and it's a lot more worn and tired than they were back then...really in pretty bad shape now.

Even though a lot of those things you miss don't exist any more, things are pretty cool now with the ipad and GPS, situational awareness, weather information in the cockpit, etc... are light years better. Some things I do not think are better at all, but overall it probably is.

My suggestion...if you haven't already started. Go to the local flight school and hire an instructor for a discovery flight. That's what I did. Told him I didn't want to consider this a hardcore make-me-work for it first lesson. He handled the radios and such and we did what amounted to just a fun easy flight. It was great to get back up there!
 
That, what you described about the cost, is exactly what started my layoff. I learned to fly in the early 90's in Willimasburg VA...think my PPL cost in the $3,000 ballpark. Can't remember for sure, but I think the 150's and 152's rented for around about $35 wet, the 172 was around $45 wet I think. By the late 90's I was in Atlanta and was paying more than that to rent, but not much... I want to say the 172's were maybe $60-ish, which seems about right trending inflation. Then I moved and only just a couple years later 1 hour rental ate up most of a $100 bill. The higher performance stuff was of course more. They were typical rentals, not well maintained, availability would be hit and miss, etc... It was costing too much for what I was getting. I decided that the only way it makes sense for me to keep flying is to finally buy something.... so I hatched a plan...but then before I did I got laid off, eventually had kids, etc...

Anyway, something happened because the rental rates went up more than the inflation calculators say...so i don't think it's just the value of a dollar. Your $12 in 1970 calculates to be about $40 in 1990..... which is close to what I was paying. The $45 I was paying in 1990 for the 172 should be ballpark $100 today it seems, but around here an equivalent 172 rents for $165...and it's a lot more worn and tired than they were back then...really in pretty bad shape now.

Even though a lot of those things you miss don't exist any more, things are pretty cool now with the ipad and GPS, situational awareness, weather information in the cockpit, etc... are light years better. Some things I do not think are better at all, but overall it probably is.

My suggestion...if you haven't already started. Go to the local flight school and hire an instructor for a discovery flight. That's what I did. Told him I didn't want to consider this a hardcore make-me-work for it first lesson. He handled the radios and such and we did what amounted to just a fun easy flight. It was great to get back up there!
THANKS Again Brad for your reply and info. I'm looking at getting back with the Offutt AFB Aero Club whose C-150s are $85.00/hr. That seems to be the going rate for my area.
 
THANKS Again Brad for your reply and info. I'm looking at getting back with the Offutt AFB Aero Club whose C-150s are $85.00/hr. That seems to be the going rate for my area.
Also Brad, you're right about the new technology. When I left, RNAV and HMI was becoming "the thing". Now you can use GPS for approaches and navigation. So I've got some catchin' up to do. Are you into Amateur Radio?
 
No, that's not something I ever did...thought about it a few times though. Have two uncles that used to be into it.
Good deal at $85. Get out there and go for a flight!
Around here there's one that goes for $125 and another school has a few that go for $106. I have no idea what sort of condition they're in..... those are retail schools though, not military clubs
 
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