Grounded_Kidney Stone History

steingar said:
Never said I was sane, nor terribly bright about my own health. Most of the PhD's I know avoid MDs like the plague on general principles alone, double that for me being a pilot. Like I said, my foot had to be just about falling off before I'd see someone about it. Never said I was wise, just loud.

Nothing says an NSAID will get a stone to pass.
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I'm talking about the gout attack, professor.....:yikes:
 
I don't get stones, or haven't so far.

I have used water distillers for years. I drink water anyway and don't like the taste/smell of chlorine.

After a while, minerals in the water accumulate in the boiler. Depending on the reigon, it looks like chunks or sheets of crystals. I've always wondered if folks that got stones would have an easier time controling it if they cut over to distilled water.

Just a thought.

Of course, soups and coffee I buy at work, restaurant water etc. is all tap water. But at home, it's clean and tastes great.
 
kontiki said:
After a while, minerals in the water accumulate in the boiler. Depending on the reigon, it looks like chunks or sheets of crystals. I've always wondered if folks that got stones would have an easier time controling it if they cut over to distilled water.
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It might depend on the type of stone you get, but for folks who get calcium stones, according to the nephrologist I was seeing, the single most important factor in triggering stone formation is sodium intake. Sodium and calcium metabolism are closely linked and sodium intake increases calcium excretion as well as sodium excretion. Calcium intake is somewhat important as well of course, but secondary. I gave up adding salt to food -- any salt, we get enough sodium in our American diets without it -- it's amazing how quickly you lose the taste for it. And so far I enjoy the added benefit of lower blood pressure as well. :)
 
azure said:
It might depend on the type of stone you get, but for folks who get calcium stones, according to the nephrologist I was seeing, the single most important factor in triggering stone formation is sodium intake. Sodium and calcium metabolism are closely linked and sodium intake increases calcium excretion as well as sodium excretion. Calcium intake is somewhat important as well of course, but secondary. I gave up adding salt to food -- any salt, we get enough sodium in our American diets without it -- it's amazing how quickly you lose the taste for it. And so far I enjoy the added benefit of lower blood pressure as well. :)
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Another option is to substitute potassium chloride for regular salt. French's No Salt is all potassium salt and Morton's Lite Salt is half sodium and half potassium. It has a slightly funny taste but you get used to it. People on certain medications or with kidney problems may not be able to safely consume additional potassium so ask you doctor first.
 
I used to use Morton Lite and it tasted pretty much like salt, but that's because it IS salt, half of it anyway. If you really want to go lo-so or even mod-so, you have to stop adding the stuff. I tried pure KCl and even a hard-to-find product called Also Salt that's KCl watered down with lysine. I could never get used to the taste and eventually just stopped using anything.

Anything but good ol' Mrs. Dash that is. Mrs. Dash not only contains no salt, but it's supposed to have zero sodium. And it really adds flavor.
 
azure said:
I used to use Morton Lite and it tasted pretty much like salt, but that's because it IS salt, half of it anyway. If you really want to go lo-so or even mod-so, you have to stop adding the stuff. I tried pure KCl and even a hard-to-find product called Also Salt that's KCl watered down with lysine. I could never get used to the taste and eventually just stopped using anything.

Anything but good ol' Mrs. Dash that is. Mrs. Dash not only contains no salt, but it's supposed to have zero sodium. And it really adds flavor.
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I think Mrs Dash is used in a lot of hospitals for the low salt diet. It is important to get enough potassium so the No Salt stuff works for me.
 
The problem isn't monovalent cations. If not Urate or oxalates, It's divalent cations: Ca++ and Mg++.

Things like total urinary calcium excretion and hyperparathyroidism need to get looked at; as well as dietary intake....
 
Bruce, are you saying that high Na+ intake has no effect on Ca++ metabolism/hypercalciuria? :confused:
 
Only so far as it influences intravascular fluid volume and glomerular flow rate (state of hydration).
 
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