Dave Krall CFII
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graphic PIX: 441 going down, Sunriver
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TMetzinger
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Ah man that's sad. I wonder if pilot incapacitation is a cause, since the airplane went in banked?
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That is sad. Who knows Tim guess the autopsy will tell. It did look as though he had full flaps in and was just east of the airport so He may have already been set up for landing.
TMetzinger
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It almost looks like he had a fire on the right side before impact...
One of my pet peeves in accidents is when the airplane isn't under positive control when it hits the ground. Stall/spins, loss of control systems/control surfaces, and similar things are reasonable explanations for an airplane hitting the ground in an unsurvivable attitude. But far too often the pilot forgets job #1 and focuses on troubleshooting or correcting or trying to make the airport. I'm not suggesting that's what happened in this case. I just hate to see fatalities in situations that should have been survivable.
One of my pet peeves in accidents is when the airplane isn't under positive control when it hits the ground. Stall/spins, loss of control systems/control surfaces, and similar things are reasonable explanations for an airplane hitting the ground in an unsurvivable attitude. But far too often the pilot forgets job #1 and focuses on troubleshooting or correcting or trying to make the airport. I'm not suggesting that's what happened in this case. I just hate to see fatalities in situations that should have been survivable.
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Interesting that you say that, I recently attened an ASF Safety seminar and they said something like 80+ % percent of accidents where the pilot actually flies the plane to the ground are survivable. Ya may get hurt pretty badly but you will live.
TMetzinger
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I spoke with an older pilot who is an examiner who said she'd had four off airport landings in her career - three in pistons and one in a Lear. Worst result was a broken leg (in the Lear) because a passenger didn't follow instructions and fasten his belt. In all other cases the occupants walked away with minor cuts/bruises even though in two the airplanes were significantly damaged.
Contrast that with the Beech 1900 that went in like a lawn dart in PA years ago because both pilots were trying to solve the engine failure and nobody was flying the airplane.
Contrast that with the Beech 1900 that went in like a lawn dart in PA years ago because both pilots were trying to solve the engine failure and nobody was flying the airplane.
Nav8tor
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It's surprising how intact the fuselage is given the attitude at which it hit the ground.
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That is sad.
I have to say that I liked their coverage. They gave the facts that were known, not a lot of useless speculation, and they didn't go off spouting about flight plans!
I have to say that I liked their coverage. They gave the facts that were known, not a lot of useless speculation, and they didn't go off spouting about flight plans!
flyingcheesehead
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You know what's really weird? They talked about this accident in more depth on the Aero-News podcast and apparently the guy had already landed, and lost control on the landing roll, and tried to go around. Yikes.