Got first doze of Pfizer today

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Very worried about the ensuing effects of this stoppage of JnJ shots. Conspiracy theories and "the vaccines are deadly and untested" nonsense already running wild on social media and it's only been a few hours. I know some were only willing to get JnJ already because they either didn't want two shots or didn't like mRNA, so this could be really impactful downline.
 
Here's the J&J press release:

https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-statement-on-covid-19-vaccine

And the FDA statement:

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pre...da-statement-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine

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"As of April 12, more than 6.8 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (Janssen) vaccine have been administered in the U.S. CDC and FDA are reviewing data involving six reported U.S. cases of a rare and severe type of blood clot in individuals after receiving the J&J vaccine. In these cases, a type of blood clot called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) was seen in combination with low levels of blood platelets (thrombocytopenia). All six cases occurred among women between the ages of 18 and 48, and symptoms occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination. Treatment of this specific type of blood clot is different from the treatment that might typically be administered. Usually, an anticoagulant drug called heparin is used to treat blood clots. In this setting, administration of heparin may be dangerous, and alternative treatments need to be given."
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and a little more on CVST:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/cerebral-venous-sinus-thrombosis

From this article:

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"It affects about 5 people in 1 million each year."
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Ryan A said:
Very worried about the ensuing effects of this stoppage of JnJ shots. Conspiracy theories and "the vaccines are deadly and untested" nonsense already running wild on social media and it's only been a few hours. I know some were only willing to get JnJ already because they either didn't want two shots or didn't like mRNA, so this could be really impactful downline.
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Considering the surplus of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines on hand in this country, I would not be concerned at all.
 
Ryan A said:
Very worried about the ensuing effects of this stoppage of JnJ shots. Conspiracy theories and "the vaccines are deadly and untested" nonsense already running wild on social media and it's only been a few hours. I know some were only willing to get JnJ already because they either didn't want two shots or didn't like mRNA, so this could be really impactful downline.
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Yeah. One in a million problem (if it is truly vaccine related). 6 cases/6.8 million doses administered.

I think you tell people the risks and let them choose. After all, these are experimental drugs.
 
RyanB said:
Considering the surplus of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines on hand in this country, I would not be concerned at all.
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"surplus"?

huh?
 
Bob Noel said:
"surplus"?

huh?
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Feel free to Google ‘vaccine surplus’ and read a few articles.

The supply of vaccines are quickly beginning to outpace the demand. Here, as well as nearly every neighboring county has more vaccines than they know what to do with, and it’s not just a regional thing.
 
Maybe the J&J clot issue is similar to the AZ vaccine? They both used adenovirus vectors, and are associated with rare blot clots. I wonder if the CanSino vaccine will show the same assiciation.
 
RyanB said:
Considering the surplus of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines on hand in this country, I would not be concerned at all.
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I would be concerned if it impacts the rate of vaccination in other countries too, because unless we completely close our borders, what happens elsewhere will affect us too (as it has ever since the pandemic began).
 
Palmpilot said:
I would be concerned if it impacts the rate of vaccination in other countries too, because unless we completely close our borders, what happens elsewhere will affect us too (as it has ever since the pandemic began).
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That’s a fair point!
 
Ryan A said:
Very worried about the ensuing effects of this stoppage of JnJ shots. Conspiracy theories and "the vaccines are deadly and untested" nonsense already running wild on social media and it's only been a few hours. I know some were only willing to get JnJ already because they either didn't want two shots or didn't like mRNA, so this could be really impactful downline.
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Now imagine if the FDA hadn't stopped it and it came out later that this side effect was noticed and the FDA didn't investigate.

No matter what anyone does, conspiracy theory nuts will spin it somehow to support their pre-conceived narrative. Can't rationalize someone out of a position they didn't rationalize themselves into.
 
RyanB said:
Feel free to Google ‘vaccine surplus’ and read a few articles.

The supply of vaccines are quickly beginning to outpace the demand. Here, as well as nearly every neighboring county has more vaccines than they know what to do with, and it’s not just a regional thing.
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So I did Google 'vaccine surplus'. Seems that nationally a surplus is impending but not quite here yet. Right now appears to be a regional thing.
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https://www.goodrx.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-surplus-vacant-appointments/
 
RyanB said:
Feel free to Google ‘vaccine surplus’ and read a few articles.

The supply of vaccines are quickly beginning to outpace the demand. Here, as well as nearly every neighboring county has more vaccines than they know what to do with, and it’s not just a regional thing.
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you said we have a surplus, present tense, not an impending surplus.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/11/9862...-diplomacy-amid-impending-u-s-vaccine-surplus

"The United States is fast approaching a COVID vaccine surplus. That's right. Sometime in the next weeks or months, experts predict there will be more vaccine doses available than Americans wanting shots."

Here in Maskachusetts there is most definitely not a surplus. In maskachusetts, we have the capability to administer far more doses than we receive. And many many people are clamoring for vaccinations.
 
jordane93 said:
I hope I won’t need to get one of the other shots now. I had J&J almost a month ago and had zero side effects
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It's not a question whether the J&J is effective. The question is whether it has he potential to cause a rare clotting disorder in a tiny percentage of those who receive it.

Considering how the virus itself effs with blood clotting, I would not be surprised if there is a link between the vaccines and occasional clotting issues.

All of these cases have been in a population that is at a higher risk for thrombosis, so it's again not surprising that this is where the potential complication showed up.
 
asicer said:
So I did Google 'vaccine surplus'. Seems that nationally a surplus is impending but not quite here yet. Right now appears to be a regional thing.
covid_vaccine_surplus_map-1024x576.png

https://www.goodrx.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-surplus-vacant-appointments/
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Bob Noel said:
you said we have a surplus, present tense, not an impending surplus.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/11/9862...-diplomacy-amid-impending-u-s-vaccine-surplus

"The United States is fast approaching a COVID vaccine surplus. That's right. Sometime in the next weeks or months, experts predict there will be more vaccine doses available than Americans wanting shots."

Here in Maskachusetts there is most definitely not a surplus. In maskachusetts, we have the capability to administer far more doses than we receive. And many many people are clamoring for vaccinations.
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I’ll stand corrected. Nonetheless, a surplus is impending at a faster rate than we originally thought, which is a positive!
 
wsuffa said:
Repeat these words: "out of an abundance of caution" and "you can never be too safe".

Rinse, lather, repeat.
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well, out of fairness int his particular situation:

normal rates of this particular type of clot are 5 in a million. So if there really is a connection to the J&J vaccine, that's another 1 in a million added onto that.

But...the way it's reported has already gotten people to say, "I hear that J&J vax is causing a lot of people to get sick. Might as well not get it, then."
 
Matthew said:
But...the way it's reported has already gotten people to say, "I hear that J&J vax is causing a lot of people to get sick. Might as well not get it, then."
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Well if the CDC and FDA recommendations are followed then they don't really have a choice, do they?
 
Matthew said:
1 in a million shot

what’s the normal rate of blood clots?
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That's not exactly irrelevant, but it's still a little off base. The better comparison would be to covid. In which case the answer is something like 16% develop clotting issues, compared to .0006% of vaccine recipients.

Bob Noel said:
related (but not a direct answer)

If everyone in the USA had a covid-19 vaccination, you can expect about 3 million people to die.

Sounds scary, right?

Until you realize that about 3 million people die each year.
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FWIW, Covid would be 3m excess deaths. Death *in addition to* the normal death rate.
 
Got my second does this morning. Took the day off just in case. So far just a sore arm, but I will keep you posted.
 
Stupid q:
If you get moderate to strong side effects from a vaccine, does it imply that you were more likely you develop serious disease if the real thing infected you? Vs those who experience no effects from the shot...
 
We weren't even eligible for the vaccine here in PA until the other day but even so I was reluctant to get one anyway. So last Month (4/5) me and my wife both started feeling sick. Got tested Thursday and we both came back positive. Our quarantine is up tomorrow (15th). PA Dept of Health called us the other day to go over instructions. Wife is back to about 100%. I'm at about 95%. I was only sick for a day or two. Only missed 1 day of work but I work from home. My colds are usually worse than this was but maybe I got lucky. We are both 52
 
Pi1otguy said:
Stupid q:
If you get moderate to strong side effects from a vaccine, does it imply that you were more likely you develop serious disease if the real thing infected you? Vs those who experience no effects from the shot...
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Probably not. A stronger reaction to the vaccine may indicate a better immune response and a higher level of immunity (although this hasn’t been proven yet).
 
Cervieres said:
Probably not. A stronger reaction to the vaccine may indicate a better immune response and a higher level of immunity (although this hasn’t been proven yet).
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If that were true...everyone with COVID antibodies would have a tough go with the vaccines. Not sure that’s the predominant experience.
 
Cervieres said:
Probably not. A stronger reaction to the vaccine may indicate a better immune response and a higher level of immunity (although this hasn’t been proven yet).
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As a counterpoint, I take an immunosuppressant so I have a weakened immune system, yet I had a pretty fair reaction to the second shot. Chills, aches all over, and I was pretty much down for a day or two.
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
If that were true...everyone with COVID antibodies would have a tough go with the vaccines. Not sure that’s the predominant experience.
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(Layperson writing.) It's probably complicated — not just how strong your immune system is, but the specific ways it reacts.

On a purely anecdotal level, people I know personally in their 80s (whose immune systems are generally weaker than younger people's) had no observable reaction to the vaccine.

A friend of mine who's about 40 had a pretty-harsh reaction on his first shot, but he also had COVID and still hasn't regained most of his ability to smell or to taste food nearly a year later, so his immune system was primed already. My brother and I, in our mid 50s, both had bad-enough reactions to first doses, but mine cleared up after 36 hours and I missed only half a day of work; I think his was similar. A 30-year old colleague really took a hit on her second dose and missed a couple of days of work (young, primed immune system).

YMMV. Regardless, it's worth it to protect the people around you.
 
I got my second phizer shot this week. It's nice to have them both in and becoming effective in my system. I'm going to FLY this summer.
 
MIFlyer said:
I got my second phizer shot this week. It's nice to have them both in and becoming effective in my system. I'm going to FLY this summer.
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I think a lot of folks will be out and about a LOT this summer following the year of doing nothing. I expect Oshkosh to be slammed.
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
If that were true...everyone with COVID antibodies would have a tough go with the vaccines. Not sure that’s the predominant experience.
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Actually it is the predominant experience. There are 2 small scale studies that documented this and a larger one on the way. A potential outcome may be that those who have had Covid may only require 1 vaccine dose instead of 2.
 
Cervieres said:
Actually it is the predominant experience. There are 2 small scale studies that documented this and a larger one on the way. A potential outcome may be that those who have had Covid may only require 1 vaccine dose instead of 2.
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So....they each had a bad shot experience....too? Nah.;)
 
asicer said:
So how did it go?
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Sorry I have been away for some family stuff and general crazy busy with life. I didn’t have any adverse reactions, about 2.5 days of nagging feverish feeling. That was about it.
 
I get the second dose this PM. Pfizer. Looking forward to it.

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29, got my first pfizer shot on monday. Day of had some arm soreness, next day a bit worse with some mild fever and sore throat. By wednesday (2 days after) was back to normal.

Got my shot at one of the mass vaccination sites in Boston, was very impressed with the operation. That one is done well. The overall piecemeal systems of trying to find an appointment, however, is a disaster.
 
AKiss20 said:
The overall piecemeal systems of trying to find an appointment, however, is a disaster.
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I think that's the case almost everywhere. Friends in Europe tell me it's a mess in countries like the Netherlands, too. In Ontario, the Public Health system itself is running well and efficiently, but jabs via Public Health are available only to people 60+ or those in vulnerable communities, high-risk jobs, or with medical conditions that increase their risk.

For anyone else 55-59, we have to book through individual pharmacies' web sites, and it's very disorganised. I managed to get jab by calling around until I found a pharmacy that was willing to make appointments over the phone and had a few shots left. Japan's only a few months away from hosting the Olympics, and last I heard, 0.62% of their population is vaccinated.

Many developing countries like Senegal seem to be better organised on the vaccine rollout than the rich ones (not sure why it worked out that way).
 
AKiss20 said:
29, got my first pfizer shot on monday. Day of had some arm soreness, next day a bit worse with some mild fever and sore throat. By wednesday (2 days after) was back to normal.

Got my shot at one of the mass vaccination sites in Boston, was very impressed with the operation. That one is done well. The overall piecemeal systems of trying to find an appointment, however, is a disaster.
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Being also in massachusetts, I'm surprised you don't understand the problem isn't the system or systems, the problem is that there are WAY more people clamoring/whining for vaccinations than doses available. In massachusetts we have capacity to vaccinate 2 or 3 times as many people as we have doses available.

Edit: I'm 62 and will get my first shot tomorrow
 
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