Got a call from work yesterday....

[AKBill]

They said there was a positive C19 test at work. So they tested everyone on site. Essentially they are on lock down until the results come in. When working everyone lives in a man camp. I think there are about 200 folks in camp.

I was to go on shift this morning, but they canceled the boat. Waiting for test results for those folks on shift and folks like me going on shift. I've been tested 4 times in the last few months.

Now it's a waiting game. I'm not real excited about going to work these days, because my shift is 3 to 4 weeks long depending on manpower. I'm glad I still have a job, unlike a lot out there who have lost their jobs, but these long shifts living in camp are getting old fast.

 

[danhagan]

Hang in there Bill, in my line of work (medical) this is fairly common ... it'd be nice to return to normal someday

 

[AKBill]

Hang in there Bill, in my line of work (medical) this is fairly common ... it'd be nice to return to normal someday

Not sure what the new norm will end up being, I'm sure I will not like it. This schedule is really cutting in on my flying. Maybe I can get a flight in today, waiting on the call to return to work.

 

[danhagan]

Not sure what the new norm will end up being, I'm sure I will not like it. This schedule is really cutting in on my flying. Maybe I can get a fight in today, waiting on the call to return to work.

Problem is containment, and most of the politicians on both sides need to grow a set. China has H1N1, H1N5, Swine flu, Bubonic Plague and Covid all occurring at one time and most out of control (that's only 5 contagions at once for anyone keeping track). Because OUR numbers are bad, we're blocked from most countries ... when it improves, we'll re-open to accept everyone elses vectors

 

[Cap'n Jack]

China has H1N1, H1N5, Swine flu, Bubonic Plague and Covid all occurring at one time and most out of control (that's only 5 contagions at once for anyone keeping track).

You have a citation for that?

 

[frfly172]

Hang in there, unfortunately life is not easy in these times.

 

[AKBill]

Got out for a short flight this morning...

 

[Zeldman]

Maybe I can get a fight in today,

Glad you got to go fly, but any luck on the fight.??

 

[455 Bravo Uniform]

You have a citation for that?

Actually, I have 3:

 

[kayoh190]

Actually, I have 3:

View attachment 88058

I’m pretty sure the plane in the back is a Pilatus!

 

[455 Bravo Uniform]

I’m pretty sure the plane in the back is a Pilatus!

Doh!

 

[danhagan]

You have a citation for that?

I'll let you grab whichever COVID citation you'd like, not sure why you haven't heard of any of these unless you have bad news sources. I'm behind a restricted firewall in most of my medical rotations and had no trouble ....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/asia/china-swine-flu-pandemic-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

https://news.yahoo.com/doesnt-see-bubonic-plague-china-091344864.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/world/asia/h1n1-swine-flu-virus-china-pig.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/bird-flu-china-coronavirus-pathogenic-strain-of-h5n1-highly-2020-2

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Thank you for the citations. I actually saw most of those, and I was surprised because I saw little evidence they were "out of control", as you put it, in your previous post, unless you mean among the chickens. The situations should be monitored, but nothing particularly alarming.

I took the time to grab some quotes from each of your references...

I'll let you grab whichever COVID citation you'd like, not sure why you haven't heard of any of these unless you have bad news sources. I'm behind a restricted firewall in most of my medical rotations and had no trouble ....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/asia/china-swine-flu-pandemic-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

"China researchers discover new swine flu with 'pandemic potential' "

""This is not a *new* new virus; it's been very common in pigs since 2016," he tweeted. "There's no evidence that G4 is circulating in humans, despite five years of extensive exposure. That's the key context to keep in mind.""

https://news.yahoo.com/doesnt-see-bubonic-plague-china-091344864.html

"GENEVA (Reuters) - An apparent outbreak of bubonic plague in China is being "well managed" and is not considered to represent a high risk, a World Health Organization (WHO) official said on Tuesday."

"Local authorities in the city of Bayan Nur in the Chinese region of Inner Mongolia issued a warning on Sunday, one day after a hospital reported a case of suspected bubonic plague. It followed four reported cases of plague in people there last November, including two of pneumonic plague, a deadlier variant."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/world/asia/h1n1-swine-flu-virus-china-pig.html

"The newer strain, known as G4 EA H1N1, has been common on China’s pig farms since 2016 and replicates efficiently in human airways, according to the study published on Monday. So far, it has infected some people without causing disease, but health experts fear that could change without warning."

https://www.businessinsider.com/bird-flu-china-coronavirus-pathogenic-strain-of-h5n1-highly-2020-2

"Whether a strain of avian flu is deemed "highly pathogenic" relates to its ability to kill chickens, according to USGS. "
"The World Health Organization says that while human cases of H5N1 can occur, it "does not infect humans easily.""

The headlines are scarier than the actual stories. A single case of bubonic plaque is hardly "out of control".

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Not sure what the new norm will end up being, I'm sure I will not like it. This schedule is really cutting in on my flying. Maybe I can get a flight in today, waiting on the call to return to work.

Like others said, hang in there. Who knows what will happen...take it a day at a time.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Actually, I have 3:

View attachment 88058

It took me a second

 

[Let'sgoflying!]

That bites, Bill.
Makes my 'accommodations for the possibility' seem trivial.

 

[danhagan]

Thank you for the citations. I actually saw most of those, and I was surprised because I saw little evidence they were "out of control", as you put it,

Then why did you ask me to provide them to you? My mention for "out of control" means their government is doing a poor containment on the five (5) listed ... we have a Bubonic plague case in Colorado, but a single one.

Have been working around COVID positive patients for months now and would prefer not to ... your initial response reminds me of the kid that whizzes in the pool or drops a turd then leaves.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Then why did you ask me to provide them to you? My mention for "out of control" means their government is doing a poor containment on the five (5) listed ... we have a Bubonic plague case in Colorado, but a single one.

Have been working around COVID positive patients for months now and would prefer not to ... your initial response reminds me of the kid that whizzes in the pool or drops a turd then leaves.

I asked you to provide the references because the way you presented them was so different from what I read. Your assessment was so different that I didn't think we read the same things. I'll grant the headlines were sensationalized beyond what was written in the stories, but once one got beyond the headlines, they were nothing-burgers.
I disagree, and your own sources disagree too, with your assessment they are doing poor containment. That's why I took the time to quote from your links in my reply. your own references disprove the contention of "poor containment" or "out of control".

The Chinese also have a single bubonic plague case right now, just as many as Colorado. That means it is out of control here in the USA, too, since we have as many cases as in China.

I'm not sure what value your last comment brings to the discussion, but you're welcome

 

[SoCal RV Flyer]

You have a citation for that?

Here's another. Not the crazy X-11 "performance" model, but the best I could do on short notice.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Here's another. Not the crazy X-11 "performance" model, but the best I could do on short notice.

View attachment 88107

Here's one for you. Triple crown winner.

 

[AKBill]

Have fun folks, leaving 3am in the morning. Talk to you all in about 3 weeks. Working 12.5 hour shifts doesn't leave much time for anything but eat, sleep and work. Take care and be safe

 

[GRG55]

I’m pretty sure the plane in the back is a Pilatus!

So who stole the Citation and left that turboprop behind?

 

[danhagan]

I disagree, and your own sources disagree too, with your assessment they are doing poor containment. That's why I took the time to quote from your links in my reply. your own references disprove the contention of "poor containment" or "out of control".

Am glad you feel China has done a great job regarding COVID containment ....

My apologies for the references, you requested them and stated you already reviewed them ... those are the only generic sites I can get to behind this firewall ... I guess being in the medical field and working directly in the arena doesn't carry much weight around here

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Am glad you feel China has done a great job regarding COVID containment ....

They've done a heck of a lot better than we have, and we had plenty of warning. We had warning China had a problem in January.

My apologies for the references, you requested them and stated you already reviewed them ... those are the only generic sites I can get to behind this firewall ... I guess being in the medical field and working directly in the arena doesn't carry much weight around here

I sure hope you read your patient's information better than you read those news articles.

No, work experience doesn't carry much weight when the citations you gave completely contradict what you said. I do wonder if you read anything after the headlines.
None of the references had anything that indicate anything was out of control there.

Here they are again for your convenience:

I'll let you grab whichever COVID citation you'd like, not sure why you haven't heard of any of these unless you have bad news sources. I'm behind a restricted firewall in most of my medical rotations and had no trouble ....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/asia/china-swine-flu-pandemic-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

"China researchers discover new swine flu with 'pandemic potential' "

""This is not a *new* new virus; it's been very common in pigs since 2016," he tweeted. "There's no evidence that G4 is circulating in humans, despite five years of extensive exposure. That's the key context to keep in mind.""

https://news.yahoo.com/doesnt-see-bubonic-plague-china-091344864.html

"GENEVA (Reuters) - An apparent outbreak of bubonic plague in China is being "well managed" and is not considered to represent a high risk, a World Health Organization (WHO) official said on Tuesday."

"Local authorities in the city of Bayan Nur in the Chinese region of Inner Mongolia issued a warning on Sunday, one day after a hospital reported a case of suspected bubonic plague. It followed four reported cases of plague in people there last November, including two of pneumonic plague, a deadlier variant."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/world/asia/h1n1-swine-flu-virus-china-pig.html

"The newer strain, known as G4 EA H1N1, has been common on China’s pig farms since 2016 and replicates efficiently in human airways, according to the study published on Monday. So far, it has infected some people without causing disease, but health experts fear that could change without warning."

https://www.businessinsider.com/bird-flu-china-coronavirus-pathogenic-strain-of-h5n1-highly-2020-2

"Whether a strain of avian flu is deemed "highly pathogenic" relates to its ability to kill chickens, according to USGS. "
"The World Health Organization says that while human cases of H5N1 can occur, it "does not infect humans easily.""

 

[TipTanks]

Our case count count is rising... we have all been working from home perfectly well. If we NEED to go in, we can go in. For some reason our company wants everyone back, pack them into the cubicles. Makes no sense to me, why the rush?

 

[danhagan]

They've done a heck of a lot better than we have, and we had plenty of warning. We had warning China had a problem in January.

Exactly when do you think they became aware of the virus? Hint: google info on Wuhan hospital parking lots in August-September ...

I sure hope you read your patient's information better than you read those news articles.

Really? Sheesh, I guess I'll TRY, thanks for the help ... since you're having a continued reading comprehension problem ... a reminder, again I'm at lunch in a 30 minute window behind a HIPPA firewall, not sitting at home like you with full access to everything

No, work experience doesn't carry much weight when the citations you gave completely contradict what you said. I do wonder if you read anything after the headlines.

See above ... and then you site them again, after you said you read them and knowing I'm behind a HIPPA throttled firewall ... do you log in just try to pick fights all the time? Might try listening sometime, you may learn something.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Exactly when do you think they became aware of the virus? Hint: google info on Wuhan hospital parking lots in August-September ...

The original report doesn't seem accessible, at least to me. It seems the PDF is missing or can't otherwise load.

However, that study had many holes, and has been generally debunked:
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-06-...claim-full-of-loopholes-RojvzuLMWI/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53005768

However, that doesn't disprove my point that we managed it MUCH worse. I knew there was something happening in late December from my friends telling me in late December, after Christmas, shortly after I left Hong Kong. That means the USA must have known. The Chinese did announce they had a problem on 1 January. I can prove China was shutting things down due to the virus during the first half of January.

The USA had at least January and February, and maybe March to do more than make faulty test kits. And it is still badly out of control here. AFAIK, only Hong Kong has a major problem with the virus right now.

Really? Sheesh, I guess I'll TRY, thanks for the help ... since you're having a continued reading comprehension problem ... a reminder, again I'm at lunch in a 30 minute window behind a HIPPA firewall, not sitting at home like you with full access to everything

See above ... and then you site them again, after you said you read them and knowing I'm behind a HIPPA throttled firewall ... do you log in just try to pick fights all the time? Might try listening sometime, you may learn something.

Yes, and I'll continue to cite them and quote them because what was actually written was completely opposite to what you wrote. If you can't get to the articles themselves, it would be better to take the headlines with a ton of salt, instead of spreading incorrect information.

 

[danhagan]

The original report doesn't seem accessible, at least to me. It seems the PDF is missing or can't otherwise load.

Saw your citation, and mine below is limited, but also keep in mind their google (baidu) had high numbers of hits for cough, pneumonia, etc. at the same time.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/satel...al-parking-suggests-outbreak-began-in-august/

China admits COVID Nov 2019 (and you know if they admitted it, they probably got a whiff of problems even sooner)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...november-china-government-records-show-report

However, that doesn't disprove my point that we managed it MUCH worse.

Other than the CDC fouling up the tests by listening too hard to WHO, what would you have done differently President EdFred? Lock the border faster? All the "experts" were crapping on the use of masks back then also ...

The USA had at least January and February, and maybe March to do more than make faulty test kits. And it is still badly out of control here. AFAIK, only Hong Kong has a major problem with the virus right now.

Again, the test kits were a huge error. Singapore learned the same lesson after SARs and supposedly did better on this pandemic. USA should have been better prepared after Ebola (using equivalent analogy). HK has a problem because the CCP will never admit true China numbers for Wuhan et al....

If you can't get to the articles themselves, it would be better to take the headlines with a ton of salt, instead of spreading incorrect information.

Which of the five diseases that I originally listed were not or currently present in China?

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Saw your citation, and mine below is limited, but also keep in mind their google (baidu) had high numbers of hits for cough, pneumonia, etc. at the same time.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/satel...al-parking-suggests-outbreak-began-in-august/

China admits COVID Nov 2019 (and you know if they admitted it, they probably got a whiff of problems even sooner)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...november-china-government-records-show-report



Other than the CDC fouling up the tests by listening too hard to WHO, what would you have done differently President EdFred? Lock the border faster? All the "experts" were crapping on the use of masks back then also ...



Again, the test kits were a huge error. Singapore learned the same lesson after SARs and supposedly did better on this pandemic. USA should have been better prepared after Ebola (using equivalent analogy). HK has a problem because the CCP will never admit true China numbers for Wuhan et al....

No, we tried making our own test kits, and fouled it up
https://globalbiodefense.com/headlines/cdc-coronavirus-test-kit-failure-due-to-contamination/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/health/cdc-coronavirus-lab-contamination-testing.html

It had nothing to do with WHO. We fouled up those test kits all by ourselves.
Yes, I would have locked the border faster. I would have worked with the state governments and locked down the country faster. A three week shutdown would have been better this this drip-drip-drip that we have. Like they did in New Zealand: https://www.dw.com/en/jacinda-ardern-leadership-in-coronavirus-response/a-53733397
Or VietNam: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/asia/coronavirus-vietnam-intl-hnk/index.html

I'll also note that the story claiming they knew in November invalidates the other claim you made that they knew in August or September, or the earlier claim invalidates this one. Which is it? Do you believe both of them?

Which of the five diseases that I originally listed were not or currently present in China?

Which of the 5 diseases were "out of control"? Which were actually a real danger?
I'll repeat your citations with quotes from each. I admit they should be monitored, but they are in no way "out of control" as you stated. This was the incorrect information

I'll let you grab whichever COVID citation you'd like, not sure why you haven't heard of any of these unless you have bad news sources. I'm behind a restricted firewall in most of my medical rotations and had no trouble ....

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/asia/china-swine-flu-pandemic-intl-hnk-scli-scn/index.html

"China researchers discover new swine flu with 'pandemic potential' "

""This is not a *new* new virus; it's been very common in pigs since 2016," he tweeted. "There's no evidence that G4 is circulating in humans, despite five years of extensive exposure. That's the key context to keep in mind.""

https://news.yahoo.com/doesnt-see-bubonic-plague-china-091344864.html

"GENEVA (Reuters) - An apparent outbreak of bubonic plague in China is being "well managed" and is not considered to represent a high risk, a World Health Organization (WHO) official said on Tuesday."

"Local authorities in the city of Bayan Nur in the Chinese region of Inner Mongolia issued a warning on Sunday, one day after a hospital reported a case of suspected bubonic plague. It followed four reported cases of plague in people there last November, including two of pneumonic plague, a deadlier variant."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/world/asia/h1n1-swine-flu-virus-china-pig.html

"The newer strain, known as G4 EA H1N1, has been common on China’s pig farms since 2016 and replicates efficiently in human airways, according to the study published on Monday. So far, it has infected some people without causing disease, but health experts fear that could change without warning."

https://www.businessinsider.com/bird-flu-china-coronavirus-pathogenic-strain-of-h5n1-highly-2020-2

"Whether a strain of avian flu is deemed "highly pathogenic" relates to its ability to kill chickens, according to USGS. "
"The World Health Organization says that while human cases of H5N1 can occur, it "does not infect humans easily.""

 

[Sluggo63]

... I guess being in the medical field and working directly in the arena doesn't carry much weight around here

No offense, but it does not. "In the medical field" has now become a catch-all for anyone trying to bolster their opinions as facts. If you're an M.D., or PhD with a relevant speciality or otherwise an expert in this field, I'd love you hear your opinion. I've seen too many people on the internet throw out the "...being in the medical field..." and I'm like "Your a phlebotomist, Karen. Let the experts handle this."

So, if you have expertise in virology, epidemiology or some other relevant field, I apologize. But I've heard too many "expert opinions" from X-ray technicians, ultrasound operators, office nurses and lab technicians who are all in the "medical field" and they're all full of the same stuff.

My daughter, who was a NICU, now OR nurse says "I have no idea, listen to the experts" when people ask her about the virus. That's not her speciality.

 

[danhagan]

My daughter, who was a NICU, now OR nurse says "I have no idea, listen to the experts" when people ask her about the virus. That's not her speciality.

Good idea, I'll leave you to the WHO and Fauci experts

 

[danhagan]

It had nothing to do with WHO. We fouled up those test kits all by ourselves.

Citation

Yes, I would have locked the border faster.

You'd then be accused to be a racist or anti-immigration ... see how that works?

I'll also note that the story claiming they knew in November invalidates the other claim you made that they knew in August or September, or the earlier claim invalidates this one. Which is it? Do you believe both of them?

I didn't write either article, only provided them to you as your a little lazy looking things up ...

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Citation

I gave them to you before, here they are again:
https://globalbiodefense.com/headlines/cdc-coronavirus-test-kit-failure-due-to-contamination/
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/health/cdc-coronavirus-lab-contamination-testing.html

Here are some more:
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-...est-kits-may-yield-inconclusive-results-67104
"A trial run in some states produced “inconclusive” results that appear to have been caused by a defective enzyme, Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said during a press conference, according to Reuters. “Things may not always go as smoothly as we may like,” she added. Messonnier says the CDC will distribute a new supply of the faulty enzyme as soon as possible, reports the Times."

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/cdc-lab-contamination-delayed-coronavirus-testing-67438
"Stenzel found that no one was in charge of the entire test-manufacturing process, and those working on the tests didn’t have much expertise in commercial manufacturing. He also observed several opportunities for contamination, including test kit assembly in the same room with coronavirus material."
"Many federal officials, including CDC Director Robert Redfield, have said that contamination in the agency’s labs might have been what made the tests ineffective. A spokesperson for the agency told the Times that contamination was a just possibility, then provided a statement that “C.D.C. implemented enhanced quality control to address the issue and will be assessing the issue moving forward.”"

You'd then be accused to be a racist or anti-immigration ... see how that works?

No, not at all.
Only when you belatedly stop flights from one country where you don't like the people. Then we get even more infections from other countries when we didn't stop those flights, too. The person against whom those charges were leveled did actions well before the pandemic to earn those descriptions.
Jacinda Arden did close New Zealand's borders, and she is extremely popular
https://www.dw.com/en/jacinda-ardern-leadership-in-coronavirus-response/a-53733397

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...st-popular-pm-in-a-century-poll-idUSKBN22U0PI
"(Reuters) - Jacinda Ardern became New Zealand’s most popular prime minister in a century, a Newshub-Reid Research poll showed on Monday, thanks to her COVID-19 response that made the country among the most successful in curbing the spread of the disease."

I suppose revoking TSA Trusted Traveler programs from New York State because they had to act on their own and challenged the executive branch of the federal government was so helpful in curbing the pandemic:
https://www.cityandstateny.com/arti...traveler-program-blocked-for-new-yorkers.html

I didn't write either article, only provided them to you as your a little lazy looking things up ...

And you believe them both to be true, even though they claim entirely different things that can't both be true. Please explain how that works?

 

[Pilots Of America Management]

Per MC Vote this thread has been locked. Partisan bickering is not allowed and will not be tolerated.