Googles Project Fi

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The cost savings doesn't seem big enough for me to jump ship...but....competition is good and the data carriers will be watching this business model.

Since Google utilizes the big 4 carriers data, if too many customers jump ship, they could potentially raise the price to Google (based on contractual obligations)
 
http://fi.google.com/about/network/

The cost savings doesn't seem big enough for me to jump ship...but....competition is good and the data carriers will be watching this business model.

Since Google utilizes the big 4 carriers data, if too many customers jump ship, they could potentially raise the price to Google (based on contractual obligations)

Competition's good as long as it's fair. In this case Google is piggybacking over Sprint and T-Mobile, which should prevent them from trying to force everyone out and establish a monopoly. As long as they're an MVNO on someone else's pipe, they can only do so much damage.

For my part, I wouldn't take the service if Google gave me the phone and service for free and paid me to use it. If they were the last mobile provider on earth, I'd do without a phone before I gave them yet another way to sell me to the higher bidder.

I also wonder how many previously "open" WiFi networks (by which I presume Google means simply that their owners never bothered to secure them) will be secured once their owners realize that Google's routing VOIP traffic through them, without the owners' knowledge or consent, and without compensation.

Rich
 
I also wonder how many previously "open" WiFi networks (by which I presume Google means simply that their owners never bothered to secure them) will be secured once their owners realize that Google's routing VOIP traffic through them, without the owners' knowledge or consent, and without compensation.

Hmmm... the consent could be implied if you use G's services. Need to read those T&Cs. And yes, they have a HUGE database of most all WiFi networks.

The question is whether android phones can relay stored passphrases for closed systems to G....

(Though I suspect that G is smart enough and has sufficient legal representation to tell them that there is potential theft-of-service should they do that).

Side note: TMo already has technology in the phones that THEY sell to switch to WiFi where it's available for TMo customers.
 
The cost is very similar to most month to month plans. Not sure the big gain here.
 
The cost is very similar to most month to month plans. Not sure the big gain here.

agree.
Their gimmick is that cost of unused Gig's of data will be refunded.
ie: if you have a 5g monthly plan and use only 2 gigs, they will credit $30 on the next bill.
 
Now if only they learned proper English, their promo webpage might look just a tad more professional, not like a 3rd-grader project.
But then again, we're talking about Google, a hip(pie) place to work. :lol:
 
Sounds a lot like Ting, which I was planning on switching to. But since I am not a "Oh lawdy, Google has my advertising preferences, what ever will I do?" type of guy, I'd rather give the business to them.
 
other than the unused data credit, most of it seems very similar to tmobile's already existing prepaid plans and my prices. (wifi calling and free international roaming data and texts)
 
I'm using a BlackBerry Q10 on AT&T Prepaid at the moment and am extremely pleased with it. I'm getting speeds of > 40 Mbps out here in the middle of nowhere. (Well, not quite the middle, but within walking distance.)

Rich
 

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Google is actually only using T-Mo and Sprint data, and they're reselling as an MVNO.

Almost all MVNOs are rate-limited below the main users of the main carrier's bandwidth and customers. It's bulk resale of whatever's not being used.

And in the case of TMo and Sprint, neither has much bandwidth left on their busiest sites these days. TMo is scrambling to deploy 700 MHz spectrum that only a few phones right now can even take advantage of, even once they light it up. Sprint isn't flush with network capacity either. Many sites don't have good backhaul either.

So it's an interesting niche that will sell some Nexus devices for Google, but being tied only to their device makes it a non-starter for a whole lot of people.

WiFi calling isn't anything new. See screenshot of my phone I'm typing this on... Top left.

The rollover data pricing is mildly interesting but won't be accepted widely by the industry when they can simply offer "unlimited" and rate limit individual devices as needed.

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The Google MVNO doesn't offer much, really. Maybe a tad more coverage by combining networks, but having to use their device kills the whole thing. It's as dead as the Disney MVNO.
 
Other info:

Republic Wireless supposedly does the same thing on Sprint, with roaming onto Verizon (at lower speeds I assume, but not confirmed) where Sprint has no coverage. They require/use specially branded Moto devices only for the service and there's no wifi calling. But with roaming to VZ it usually doesn't matter.

If you're looking for arguably the best deal out there in post-paid, and want to be on a top tier carrier, look at Cricket.

Many people don't realize they're an owned subsidiary of AT&T now, and you're on the AT&T network on their devices.

They have a similar plan to the Google offering that's roughly $5/mo cheaper if you don't consume too much data. No wifi calling again.

iOS 8.3 turned on wifi calling for Sprint customers on Apple devices.

So as always, it's all about coverage and the fine print. YMMV.

We jumped over to TMo and are surviving the poor coverage just fine, with a bill that was literally cut in half coming from VZ for years and years. VZ did offer about a 20% price reduction once they knew we were leaving. So always threaten to leave any carrier you're on, for the best rates through their "retention" department. Just be willing to back up the threat, if they'd rather see you go.

What you don't want to do is walk in without doing any homework and just pay top rates on either of VZ or AT&T. If you do that, you're guaranteed getting screwed.

Many of the pre-paid offerings are becoming more valuable for certain types of users than post-paid, too. Many run as MVNOs with significantly different plan types and options.

Generally data is the money maker nowadays. If you can get away with only using a phone as a phone you can save some serious coin. Voice is the commodity service in almost all pricing plans now.

Google's offering is really mediocre at best. At worst they're just a low tier MVNO that's offering roll over data plan GB.
 
Google is actually only using T-Mo and Sprint data, and they're reselling as an MVNO.

Almost all MVNOs are rate-limited below the main users of the main carrier's bandwidth and customers. It's bulk resale of whatever's not being used.

And in the case of TMo and Sprint, neither has much bandwidth left on their busiest sites these days. TMo is scrambling to deploy 700 MHz spectrum that only a few phones right now can even take advantage of, even once they light it up. Sprint isn't flush with network capacity either. Many sites don't have good backhaul either.

So it's an interesting niche that will sell some Nexus devices for Google, but being tied only to their device makes it a non-starter for a whole lot of people.

WiFi calling isn't anything new. See screenshot of my phone I'm typing this on... Top left.

The rollover data pricing is mildly interesting but won't be accepted widely by the industry when they can simply offer "unlimited" and rate limit individual devices as needed.

6e95a88d437e760d708ca4e5fb2e2cd9.jpg


The Google MVNO doesn't offer much, really. Maybe a tad more coverage by combining networks, but having to use their device kills the whole thing. It's as dead as the Disney MVNO.

I agree about the device limitations being a deal-killer for a lot of people, even putting aside my personal dislike of Google. Phone choices do drive a lot of network decisions. That was something I learned when I was helping out a young fellow who was starting up a multi-carrier cell phone store in Queens some years ago. Most people simply don't care as much about the carrier as they do about the phone (assuming, of course, that the carrier has service where they need it).

I also experienced the same thing as a user recently. I had been on StraightTalk over a VZW tower for years and was perfectly happy with it, but I wanted a new BlackBerry, and neither ST nor VZW support any BB10 devices on prepaid. If they had, I would have been willing to stay on ST or sign up directly with VZW prepaid, but neither was an option. I also looked into VZW postpaid, but the cost increase for essentially the same service would have been absurd.

I had no particular loyalty to VZW. In fact, I still haven't forgiven them for some **** they pulled eight or nine years ago when they sent me a bill for more than $400.00 because Kimberly (then aged 7 or 8) used my phone to access some obscure VZW service that I didn't even subscribe to, to do whatever it was that that service did. She could have been re-aiming the Hubble for all I know.

Whatever the case, VZW outright refused to let me upgrade retroactively to include that service -- it would have cost about $7.00 / month, if I recall correctly -- because I was out-of-contract. Mind you, I was a 10-year customer at the time. Fine. I paid the bill and moved to another carrier. VZW then spent the next year or two trying to get me to come back and even offered to waive the bill, but I refused. The time to make those sorts of offers is before a customer jumps ship, not after.

Nonetheless, I knew for a fact that VZW had good signal where I live, so if I had to hold my nose and go with VZW to get service, that's what I would do. But they wouldn't support a BB10 on prepaid, and their postpaid plans were just too damned expensive.

Enter AT&T. I learned from a clerk at Dollar General that AT&T has a shiny new tower a couple of miles away. The problem is that AT&T doesn't know about it yet. At least their activation database doesn't. Their coverage map does, but their activation database doesn't, which causes the system to barf on new activations from my ZIP code.

No worries, said the clerk. Just enter another ZIP code -- she actually provided one that would work -- when I activated the phone, and it would activate. So I called AT&T, and after several hours on the phone with some very helpful engineers, it turned out that the clerk was right. They assured me that I would have good service here and everywhere else I needed it to work.

The problem then became actually getting a SIM card. Neither Dollar General nor anyone else around here sells them, and AT&T couldn't mail me one because the database still insisted that I would have no service. So my choices were to buy a cheap smartphone at Dollar General just to get the SIM card, or go to an AT&T company store, where they could override the activation database. I chose the latter option. It was a nice 75-mile drive.

The important thing, however, was that aside from being extraordinarily helpful -- especially considering that we were only talking about a single prepaid line -- AT&T would support a BB10 device on prepaid. In fact, the engineer was surprised to learn that VZW wouldn't because BB10 doesn't require BIS nor anything else that makes it more burdensome to the system than any other smartphone. Even pushing updates wouldn't be a problem because VZW does support BB10 devices on postpaid.

So in the end I went with AT&T. Their superb phone support and the fact that the service works well where I need it to are two reasons that I'm glad I did, but the reason I even called them in the first place was because they would cheerfully support the kind of device I wanted on the kind of service I wanted.

So now back to Google. Although I suppose that they'll introduce additional phones over time (assuming that they don't just kill the service at some future time and leave their users stranded, which is something they've done before with other services), it's a deal-killer for people who want any other device. Add on the facts that the deal really isn't all that great, and that any phones they offer are sure to be stuffed full of Google spyware, and I'll be very surprised if this service becomes popular with anyone other than Google fanboys.

But hey, that's still a sizable market, so maybe they'll make it work. Personally, I'd rather have hernia surgery without anesthesia than give Google yet another way to snoop on me, but that's just me.

Rich
 
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So in the end I went with AT&T. Their superb phone support [...] any phones they offer are sure to be stuffed full of Google spyware, and I'll be very surprised if this service becomes popular with anyone other than Google fanboys.

Rich, your anti-Google rants would have more credibility if they weren't combined with never-before-seen utterances like "AT&T's superb phone support." C'mon now.
 
Rich, your anti-Google rants would have more credibility if they weren't combined with never-before-seen utterances like "AT&T's superb phone support." C'mon now.

Well, what else do you call it when an engineer spends almost two hours on the phone looking at tower maps to predict what the signal's going to be in every single place I travel, all for a single prepaid line? I was actually pretty amazed by it.

Rich
 
AT&T can be good if you get the right people. Easiest service cancel I've ever had was with them.

But they can be arrogant at times and certainly don't have the best pricing model around.

Far better than Comcast. And unlike Google, EBay, PayPal, American Airlines and some of the others, you can at least talk to a real human when you have a customer service issue.
 
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