GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!

The Pats didn't seem to have any trouble handling the Colts' football for the 2 interceptions or the fumble recovery. :smilewinkgrin:
 
I still don't understand why people give two craps about this team or that team when they're all professionally traded contractors who have no connection to their team's home base. But I guess it's human nature to form alliances and wage war with those on a different "side" no matter how dumb it all is. Sports, religion, politics...it's all the same BS.
 
RoscoeT said:
I still don't understand why people give two craps about this team or that team when they're all professionally traded contractors who have no connection to their team's home base. But I guess it's human nature to form alliances and wage war with those on a different "side" no matter how dumb it all is. Sports, religion, politics...it's all the same BS.
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Low T......????:)
 
RoscoeT said:
I still don't understand why people give two craps about this team or that team when they're all professionally traded contractors who have no connection to their team's home base. But I guess it's human nature to form alliances and wage war with those on a different "side" no matter how dumb it all is. Sports, religion, politics...it's all the same BS.
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Football is soap opera drama disguised so men inclined that way can consume drama without shame(there is shame they just don't know it.)
 
PaulS said:
I'm thinking that we are not dealing with science majors here. A 1 psi tolerance should require the use of a calibrated pressure gauge. And you absolutely cannot ignore the temperature difference effect. I figured the initial test 2 1/2 hours before the game would be done inside in a warm place such as a locker room, hence my 75F estimate. Kickoff time was 6:40, so the beginning of the second half was around 8pm. I was there and I think 45F is a good estimate, I was unable to find a site that had actual readings for the area, but plus or minus a couple degrees shouldn't make that big of a difference. The balls were cold when measured by the officials at the start of the 2nd half, you are not allowed to heat the balls between plays. They used two different gauges, but did not say if they used the gauge that was originally used to verify the pressure before the gauge. I picked 12.5 psi for the initial pressure because if it is true that a softer ball is easier to handle then any normal person would use the lowest legal amount of air to try to get any advantage they could.

The bottom line is that unless some fesses up to tampering with the balls, or there is video, then the NFL should absolve the Patriots, drop this for now and change the rules to account for basic physics and standard metrology.
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The problem with this reasoning was that the Colt's balls were also tested at halftime, and those balls were still legal. If it was cold enough to make the pressure lower in one team's balls, it would be reasonable to expect the other team's balls would be low also.
 
JB1842 said:
The problem with this reasoning was that the Colt's balls were also tested at halftime, and those balls were still legal. If it was cold enough to make the pressure lower in one team's balls, it would be reasonable to expect the other team's balls would be low also.
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Colts might not have filled them in a hot room(legal) and the Colts might like harder balls so started at the top of the range in a colder room. The conflict and drama is great for business.
 
JB1842 said:
The problem with this reasoning was that the Colt's balls were also tested at halftime, and those balls were still legal. If it was cold enough to make the pressure lower in one team's balls, it would be reasonable to expect the other team's balls would be low also.
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I haven't seen that the colts balls were tested, do you have a link??
 
The Patriots have a history of cheating, so finding that they cheated - again - is like discovering obama told another lie. The real rub is how parents are teaching their children that cheating is just fine as long as you win, and/or get what you want.
 
Florida Cracker said:
The Patriots have a history of cheating, so finding that they cheated - again - is like discovering obama told another lie. The real rub is how parents are teaching their children that cheating is just fine as long as you win, and/or get what you want.
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Oh the dolphins suck.
 
Florida Cracker said:
The Patriots have a history of cheating, so finding that they cheated - again - is like discovering obama told another lie. The real rub is how parents are teaching their children that cheating is just fine as long as you win, and/or get what you want.
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Next you are going to tell us Lincoln cheated.:lol:
 
PATRIOTS. won't be cheating in the Super Bowl they will simply be crying.
 
EdFred said:
Here's how it probably happened, and this is exactly how I would do it, and it would not be cheating.

Inflate ball in a warm room (>90ºF) to minimum pressure, or inflate ball and store in warm room to boost pressure, then deflate to minimum pressure in said room. Rush ball to referee for inspection, and then leave outside at game time temperature. PV=nRT and voila the balls are now a bit easier to grip.

Science, *******!
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EdFred said:
But the referee inspects the balls for both teams. It (the gauge) would be broken when inspecting the Pats' balls, but working when he inspected the Colts' balls?

Makes no sense.
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PaulS said:
I'll leave it to others to check my derivation, but essentially you end up with

p1/p2=t1/t2 a simple ratio

T must be in Kelvin, p is in absolute psi.

Assume 14.7 psi for atmospheric pressure, t1 temp at half time, t2 temp in locker room.

t1= 45F = 280k
t2=75F= 297k

p2=12.5psig=27.2psia

solve for p1

p1/27.2=280/297

p1=25.5psia= 10.75psig

or, if rounded off by a football guy, 2 pounds under.
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Three pages of responses and really only three coherent, intelligent responses over a silly kids' games played by over steroided, overpaid men. All over something that the refs AND the Colts were both in position to resolve prior to the start of the game. Current news report says the Colts were "tipped off" prior to the game. This speaks of them having an out if they did lose. Wow, imagine that. They couldn't beat the Pats fair so obviously the Pats had to cheat.
And here we are. The NFL and the teams sit back and watch the controversy drive up attendance, ticket prices, viewership, and ad revenue.
Who is being played here?
 
nddons said:
You cheat, you should lose the prize, regardless of the original margin of victory.

The Colts should go to the Super Bowl. At least I'd have someone to pull for.

As of now my only choice is do I pull for a cheater, or that idiot Richard Sherman and his "Legion of boom" bull****. I have virtually no interest in that game.

Maybe I'll go see American Sniper on 2/1.
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I'll pass on the game and go flying. A much better waste of time.
 
some people are all for making up their minds absent facts.

hmmmmm
 
ClimbnSink said:
Your football franchise doesn't use steroids?:lol: They are all cheating in one way or another, even your precious hometown team(Team may not contain players who grew up in the area.)
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No. The franchise does not.

I can think of one player that has tested positive for "performance enhancing drugs", but he was suspended per the league rules, and then did not play the rest of this season. These were supposedly to treat for fertility issues, and in fact, his wife recently had a baby. I don't recall anyone arguing he should have been allowed to do so because it didn't make any difference to any game result. If fact, everyone said it was a mistake, and he should pay the league penalty.

In this case, we have people claiming, we can do what we want as long as you can't prove we did it in circumstances where you can prove it effected a game outcome. This is franchise with a storied history of cheating, and a dishonest coach. If you support that, then that's the kind of person you are. Go you.
 
ClimbnSink said:
Your football franchise doesn't use steroids?:lol: They are all cheating in one way or another, even your precious hometown team(Team may not contain players who grew up in the area.)
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I think you are using the bill clinton excuse, when he got disbarred for perjury.

"Everybody" cheats is another way of saying, "So my team cheated, they won and that's all that counts.". Not what we should be teaching the generation that has to pay off obama's debts and your nursing home bills.
 
Your teams use steroids. Humans don't get that big and strong without them. I'm not justifying the Patriots shenanigans just pointing out all of football is dirty. Yes your beloved home team is full of drugged up cheaters. Accept it or don't watch any of it.
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No. The franchise does not.

I can think of one player that has tested positive for "performance enhancing drugs", but he was suspended per the league rules, and then did not play the rest of this season. These were supposedly to treat for fertility issues, and in fact, his wife recently had a baby. I don't recall anyone arguing he should have been allowed to do so because it didn't make any difference to any game result. If fact, everyone said it was a mistake, and he should pay the league penalty.

In this case, we have people claiming, we can do what we want as long as you can't prove we did it in circumstances where you can prove it effected a game outcome. This is franchise with a storied history of cheating, and a dishonest coach. If you support that, then that's the kind of person you are. Go you.
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Florida Cracker said:
I think you are using the bill clinton excuse, when he got disbarred for perjury.

"Everybody" cheats is another way of saying, "So my team cheated, they won and that's all that counts.". Not what we should be teaching the generation that has to pay off obama's debts and your nursing home bills.
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Bob Noel said:
some people are all for making up their minds absent facts.

hmmmmm
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Fact is, the colts showed the ref, a ball they said did not feel right, then it was found 10 of the 12 balls the Patriots brought to the game was under inflated by 2 pounds. that makes a foot ball much easier to grip.

FACT the Patriots have been caught twice before cheating and have been fined for it. The league should make them forfeit the game. name the colts the winner and take the trophy away.
 
Tom-D said:
Fact is, the colts showed the ref, a ball they said did not feel right, then it was found 10 of the 12 balls the Patriots brought to the game was under inflated by 2 pounds. that makes a foot ball much easier to grip.

FACT the Patriots have been caught twice before cheating and have been fined for it. The league should make them forfeit the game. name the colts the winner and take the trophy away.
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Fact: You are lacking a science background.

Ever put a balloon in a fridge?
 
EdFred said:
Fact: You are lacking a science background.

Ever put a balloon in a fridge?
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If your theory is correct (and the physics and math work, I agree) why 11 of 12 and not 12 of 12?

John
 
jsstevens said:
If your theory is correct (and the physics and math work, I agree) why 11 of 12 and not 12 of 12?

John
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If they were intentionally cheating why not fix 12 out of 12. Shows a lack of quality control anyway you slice it.
 
Assuming that either ALL 12 balls HAD to be tampered with, or NONE could have been makes as much sense as claiming that 2014 was the hottest year on record and abortion is a health care issue.
 
One ball could have been at 13.5 at the start and close enough when checked to be ok. Look, you guys are pilots and are supposed to understand some of this basic physics and chemistry. Air is a gas, gases are affected by temperature. I did the math for you. The more I think about it, the more I realize that the rule cannot be followed as written, especially in colder areas. We have fronts that come thru at times where the temps will drop 30 degrees in a matter of a few hours. A ball, checked to a 1 degree tolerance, would be out of that tolerance after that front came thru.
 
PaulS said:
One ball could have been at 13.5 at the start and close enough when checked to be ok. Look, you guys are pilots and are supposed to understand some of this basic physics and chemistry. Air is a gas, gases are affected by temperature. I did the math for you. The more I think about it, the more I realize that the rule cannot be followed as written, especially in colder areas. We have fronts that come thru at times where the temps will drop 30 degrees in a matter of a few hours. A ball, checked to a 1 degree tolerance, would be out of that tolerance after that front came thru.
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I fully understand the science of this, I just enjoy having an excuse to rib Pats fans. :yesnod:
 
PaulS said:
more I think about it, the more I realize that the rule cannot be followed as written, especially in colder areas.
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Of course it can't. That's why all of the Colts' balls failed, too. Oh, wait. . . .
 
PaulS said:
So Boyle and Charles were both wrong?
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It has nothing to do with Boyle and Charles being wrong. Their laws applied equally to 24 balls. Apparently 11 of the 24 showed low pressure. And all 11 were in the Patriots stock of game balls. How does this in any way deny Boyle and Charles? Boyle and Charles do not exclusively work on Patriots balls, right?

(Made no difference in the outcome. The score was 45 to 7 and after watching all but the last few minutes, it was not that close.)

John
 
jsstevens said:
It has nothing to do with Boyle and Charles being wrong. Their laws applied equally to 24 balls. Apparently 11 of the 24 showed low pressure. And all 11 were in the Patriots stock of game balls. How does this in any way deny Boyle and Charles? Boyle and Charles do not exclusively work on Patriots balls, right?

(Made no difference in the outcome. The score was 45 to 7 and after watching all but the last few minutes, it was not that close.)

John
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I have no idea about the Colts balls, maybe they pumped them up on the field in the 50 degree weather, it doesn't matter, the rule is impossible as written unless there are conditions added, it should be considered unreasonable as it doesn't allow for simple physics. BTW, even some of the Colts players are saying it's much ado about nothing.
 
Maybe the Pats were smart enough to take advantage of a loop hole in the rule and inflated the balls in the team's steam room instead of outside. Can anyone point to a part of the rule that would prevent them from doing just that?
 
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