GO PATRIOTS!!!!!!!!

Maybe there is something to this. I'm thinking the Patriots took 2 psi out of their balls, you know, after the refs inspected the balls, and added it to the Colts balls, that's why the Colts sucked so bad. Yeah, that has to be it.
 
N747JB said:
It's like people that lie to you when the truth would have been fine. It's just part of some people's DNA, they have to get a little unfair advantage by "bending" the rules, just a bit in their favor. :dunno:
Ball inflation certainly had no effect on the outcome of the game, but if it were a 3 or 7 point victory, we'd have a real problem! :nono:
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The problem is, there is an asterisk beside each Pats win. Bugs? Deflated balls? Stolen signals? Those are what have been caught, I have no doubt they've found other ways to cheat.
 
PaulS said:
If it's true (unlikely), I'm wondering how they kept the Colts from using the same balls to have an advantage.
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I wondered that as well. Turns out each team has their own footballs. Why it's that way is a mystery.
 
PPC1052 said:
I wondered that, too. But, apparently each team uses their own balls. I am no expert on this, so if anyone knows better, please speak up.
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I can confirm that each team has their own footballs, but why it's that way is a mystery to me.

Some years ago a family friend obtained a game ball in the home of the NFL's flagship franchise. Charles Woodson intercepted a pass but the play was called back on a penalty. Since it wasn't an actual interception Woodson didn't want the ball so he tossed it into the stands. The ball is marked as a Vikings football.
 
ClimbnSink said:
For the Pats to have deflated the balls the NFL reffing staff have to be in on it, and then it isn't the Pats cheating it is the NFL fixing games.
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Why would the refs have to be in on it? The refs check the balls hours before the game but it is the responsibility of the home team to furnish playable balls during the game, by attendants from either side of the field. It would be a simple matter for that attendant to let some air out of the home team footballs.
 
PPC1052 said:
Holy, crap. What's wrong with the Patriots? They let one properly inflated ball slip through the cracks!?!?
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When I first heard this I assumed the issue was a ball or two that was underinflated. So what? That suggests a leaky valve. It was reported this morning that eleven of the twelve Patriots balls were underinflated. That suggests a deliberate act.
 
roncachamp said:
When I first heard this I assumed the issue was a ball or two that was underinflated. So what? That suggests a leaky valve. It was reported this morning that eleven of the twelve Patriots balls were underinflated. That suggests a deliberate act.
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I should have used the sarcasm font.
 
Bill Jennings said:
The problem is, there is an asterisk beside each Pats win. Bugs? Deflated balls? Stolen signals? Those are what have been caught, I have no doubt they've found other ways to cheat.
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If they were Penn St, they'd have had 15 years of victories nullified.

Apparently they are a whole lot about winning at any cost.
 
roncachamp said:
When I first heard this I assumed the issue was a ball or two that was underinflated. So what? That suggests a leaky valve. It was reported this morning that eleven of the twelve Patriots balls were underinflated. That suggests a deliberate act.
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Actually it suggests a faulty gauge. Pilots should know that.
 
PaulS said:
Maybe there is something to this. I'm thinking the Patriots took 2 psi out of their balls, you know, after the refs inspected the balls, and added it to the Colts balls, that's why the Colts sucked so bad. Yeah, that has to be it.
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"sucked" would imply lower PSI. Technically, anyway. :D

Seriously, though, if the fine is only $25,000, that's pocket lint in terms of the value of going on to the Super Bowl. High ROI.
 
roncachamp said:
An incorrect reading for one but correct for all others suggests a faulty gauge? Nonsense.
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Reading low 11 out of 12 times. Gauge is broken, go on trust your inner ear if you want.
 
Here's how it probably happened, and this is exactly how I would do it, and it would not be cheating.

Inflate ball in a warm room (>90ºF) to minimum pressure, or inflate ball and store in warm room to boost pressure, then deflate to minimum pressure in said room. Rush ball to referee for inspection, and then leave outside at game time temperature. PV=nRT and voila the balls are now a bit easier to grip.

Science, *******!
 
The real problem rests with the obsession to gain every advantage, KNOWING it's against the rules you agreed to play by. Belichek seems to have an ongoing issue with violating the rules of conduct knowing the rabid patriot fans are going to scream bloody murder when he gets caught, and the league will wimp out, rather than risk upsetting so many paying customers.

Coming right after the commissioner's integrity (if he ever had such) took such a hit from the wife beating video scandal, having the league turn it's back on altering the football seems like both business as usual for the nfl, and like someone begging to get slapped.
 
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Reading low 11 out of 12 times. Gauge is broken, go on trust your inner ear if you want.
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But the referee inspects the balls for both teams. It (the gauge) would be broken when inspecting the Pats' balls, but working when he inspected the Colts' balls?

Makes no sense.
 
PPC1052 said:
Ok, the Colts Pats game wasn't close. But the Baltimore game was. Now it's coming out that there may have been inflation issues in that game, too.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/deflate-gate-storm-grows-over-patriots-alleged-use-of-illegal-balls/

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...ink-footballs-were-under-inflated-vs-patriots

If Baltimore had one, the Baltimore Indy game would have been in Indy. Now that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
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The Baltimore claim on the kicking balls is crap. Those balls are held by the officials the entire time.
 
EdFred said:
But the referee inspects the balls for both teams. It (the gauge) would be broken when inspecting the Pats' balls, but working when he inspected the Colts' balls?

Makes no sense.
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Pats gauge broken, refs incompetent(corrupt?) Football fixed yet? Football drama is more then soaps and pro wrestling combined.
 
ClimbnSink said:
Pats gauge broken, refs incompetent(corrupt?) Football fixed yet? Football drama is more then soaps and pro wrestling combined.
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I think my "store balls in warm room until inspection" is more likely, than a broken gauge. I don't know how many times when we've played football or basketball in cooler weather we've had to re-inflate the balls that had been in the house for the previous few days/weeks at 70+ temps and we take them outside into 30 degree temps.
 
EdFred said:
I think my "store balls in warm room until inspection" is more likely, than a broken gauge. I don't know how many times when we've played football or basketball in cooler weather we've had to re-inflate the balls that had been in the house for the previous few days/weeks at 70+ temps and we take them outside into 30 degree temps.
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I agree. And a perfectly legal hedge. But hey the more drama and whining the more drama we can have about football commercials. The ladies sure love football pageantry.:lol:
 
Assuming my math is right, going from 90F to 40F would result in about a 1.12 PSI drop assuming the volume of the ball stays the same- which it should be pretty close to the same.
 
You cheat, you should lose the prize, regardless of the original margin of victory.

The Colts should go to the Super Bowl. At least I'd have someone to pull for.

As of now my only choice is do I pull for a cheater, or that idiot Richard Sherman and his "Legion of boom" bull****. I have virtually no interest in that game.

Maybe I'll go see American Sniper on 2/1.
 
nddons said:
As of now my only choice is do I pull for a cheater, or that idiot Richard Sherman and his "Legion of boom" bull****. I have virtually no interest in that game.

Maybe I'll go see American Sniper on 2/1.
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Well, Pete Carroll is no pillar of morality as well. Cheater vs cheater.

Maybe I'll pass on it this year, too.
 
nddons said:
You cheat, you should lose the prize, regardless of the original margin of victory.

The Colts should go to the Super Bowl. At least I'd have someone to pull for.

As of now my only choice is do I pull for a cheater, or that idiot Richard Sherman and his "Legion of boom" bull****. I have virtually no interest in that game.

Maybe I'll go see American Sniper on 2/1.
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I'll leave it to others to check my derivation, but essentially you end up with

p1/p2=t1/t2 a simple ratio

T must be in Kelvin, p is in absolute psi.

Assume 14.7 psi for atmospheric pressure, t1 temp at half time, t2 temp in locker room.

t1= 45F = 280k
t2=75F= 297k

p2=12.5psig=27.2psia

solve for p1

p1/27.2=280/297

p1=25.5psia= 10.75psig

or, if rounded off by a football guy, 2 pounds under.
 
PaulS said:
I'll leave it to others to check my derivation, but essentially you end up with

p1/p2=t1/t2 a simple ratio

T must be in Kelvin, p is in absolute psi.

Assume 14.7 psi for atmospheric pressure, t1 temp at half time, t2 temp in locker room.

t1= 45F = 280k
t2=75F= 297k

p2=12.5psig=27.2psia

solve for p1

p1/27.2=280/297

p1=25.5psia= 10.75psig

or, if rounded off by a football guy, 2 pounds under.
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About what I came up with. I had different starting pressures and temperatures, but yeah, the temp difference can easily explain the drop.

Unfortunately most people and the NFL are morons, and won't understand it.
 
EdFred said:
About what I came up with. I had different starting pressures and temperatures, but yeah, the temp difference can easily explain the drop.

Unfortunately most people and the NFL are morons, and won't understand it.
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Depends where/when the balls were re-measured. Outside in the cold or inside after warmed up again?

Details, man, details.
 
nddons said:
You cheat, you should lose the prize, regardless of the original margin of victory.

The Colts should go to the Super Bowl. At least I'd have someone to pull for.

As of now my only choice is do I pull for a cheater, or that idiot Richard Sherman and his "Legion of boom" bull****. I have virtually no interest in that game.

Maybe I'll go see American Sniper on 2/1.
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I'm going to watch it. If only for the commercials and the hope that Katy Perry has a wardrobe malfunction at halftime.
 
Bill Jennings said:
Depends where/when the balls were re-measured. Outside in the cold or inside after warmed up again?

Details, man, details.
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I stated earlier, all the Pats' had to do was keep the balls in a higher temperature room, ad the correct pressure, and then rush them to wherever they were measured, and then leave them outside.

Knowing The Hoodie, that's probably exactly what transpired.
 
Did they weigh the colts balls? The pats are always going to be looking for an advantage.
 
ClimbnSink said:
Actually it suggests a faulty gauge. Pilots should know that.
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12 out of 12 would. 11 out of 12, not so much. And did they check the Colts balls with the same gauge?

John
 
I guess it's a blue state thing. The idea that you celebrate cheating to get whatever you want, and spin like an insane top when your team gets caught is so junior high, to me.
 
jsstevens said:
12 out of 12 would. 11 out of 12, not so much. And did they check the Colts balls with the same gauge?

John
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1 is human error. Of course the pressure is low it has been checked a thousand times.
 
EdFred said:
About what I came up with. I had different starting pressures and temperatures, but yeah, the temp difference can easily explain the drop.

Unfortunately most people and the NFL are morons, and won't understand it.
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I'm thinking that we are not dealing with science majors here. A 1 psi tolerance should require the use of a calibrated pressure gauge. And you absolutely cannot ignore the temperature difference effect. I figured the initial test 2 1/2 hours before the game would be done inside in a warm place such as a locker room, hence my 75F estimate. Kickoff time was 6:40, so the beginning of the second half was around 8pm. I was there and I think 45F is a good estimate, I was unable to find a site that had actual readings for the area, but plus or minus a couple degrees shouldn't make that big of a difference. The balls were cold when measured by the officials at the start of the 2nd half, you are not allowed to heat the balls between plays. They used two different gauges, but did not say if they used the gauge that was originally used to verify the pressure before the gauge. I picked 12.5 psi for the initial pressure because if it is true that a softer ball is easier to handle then any normal person would use the lowest legal amount of air to try to get any advantage they could.

The bottom line is that unless some fesses up to tampering with the balls, or there is video, then the NFL should absolve the Patriots, drop this for now and change the rules to account for basic physics and standard metrology.
 
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