Go fast on less gas.

If you don't mind spending years building it. Otherwise, Mooney is the biggest bang for your buck in certificated aviation.
 
RV,Glass/Laceair would be my guess for best $ per mile.
 
steingar said:
If you don't mind spending years building it. Otherwise, Mooney is the biggest bang for your buck in certificated aviation.
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You will never get anywhere close to his numbers with any factory built.
 
Tom-D said:
You will never get anywhere close to his numbers with any factory built.
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You won't get close to his numbers with a stock Long Eze either. Anyone who knows read anything about Klaus and the CAFE Challenge know his aircraft are highly modified.
 
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Velocity173 said:
You won't get close to his numbers with a stock Long Eze either. Anyone who knows anything about Klaus and the CAFE Challenge knows his aircraft are highly modified.
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No Factory built aircraft will get anywhere near the stock L/EZ either,, And yes, his L/EZ is a highly modified aircraft or he wouldn't be setting records.
So was Lindberg's Ryan.
 
Tom-D said:
No Factory built aircraft will get anywhere near the stock L/EZ either,, And yes, his L/EZ is a highly modified aircraft or he wouldn't be setting records.
So was Lindberg's Ryan.
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That's because factory aircraft aren't cramped, two seat, tandem, reclined aircraft with a tiny wetted area either. The Vari and Long come at a price. That is less hauling capacity and handling qualities of a production aircraft.
 
Velocity173 said:
That's because factory aircraft aren't cramped, two seat, tandem, reclined aircraft with a tiny wetted area either. The Vari and Long come at a price. That is less hauling capacity and handling qualities of a production aircraft.
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You never get it all for nothing.
 
Velocity173 said:
That's because factory aircraft aren't cramped, two seat, tandem, reclined aircraft with a tiny wetted area either. The Vari and Long come at a price. That is less hauling capacity and handling qualities of a production aircraft.
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Isn't that sort of the same as saying a cramped, two seat Lambo has less hauling capacity and different handling qualities than Mom's high production volume mini-van? :rolleyes:
 
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I love how it talks about west to east trip, probably with 30-50 knot tail winds, lets talk about the return trip.
 
teejayevans said:
I love how it talks about west to east trip, probably with 30-50 knot tail winds, lets talk about the return trip.
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If you read the article you'll understand he said he had a 7 knot tailwind. Not 30-50 kt.
 
GRG55 said:
Isn't that sort of the same as saying a cramped, two seat Lambo has less hauling capacity and different handling qualities than Mom's high production volume mini-van? :rolleyes:
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Exactly, and if that's what you're looking for like myself, then you go EAB. I just don't believe in magic dust that some EAB owners would like you to believe.

Why does my Velocity go 165kts and an SR20 go 150kts on the same 200HP? Park next to it and it becomes quite obvious. The SR20's wetted area is much larger than mine. Most pilots will spend the extra money on an SR20 because of the redundancy (BRS) built in, cabin size, production QC, and better handling qualities. I can understand that and if I could afford one, I'd go with Cirrus. For now I'll take my Velocity at half the cost.

Speed comes at a cost; either money or reduction in comfort / capability to get there. If your mission allows for only taking one other person flying and not having much room for baggage, then a two seat EAB will suffice. Comparing a typical 2 seat EAB to a 4 seat production aircraft though is like apples to oranges.
 
From the article

“I work to demonstrate what is possible in aviation — to make these flights and then talk about it,” he added. “I hope the advances I have shown in speed and economy will cause the flying public to put pressure on the big manufacturers and move them to use more modern technology.”
 
Klaus consistently gets 45-60mpg out of this thing. He flew from Santa Paula to Florida on 26gal of fuel in total. It's insane. Or put another way, he could fly from Los Angeles to London direct on 121 gal's of fuel!

Article also says he could get 100mpg out of it if he went slower.

http://www.wired.com/2009/11/45mpg-at-207mph/
 
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steingar said:
If you don't mind spending years building it. Otherwise, Mooney is the biggest bang for your buck in certificated aviation.
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I would think that building a Mooney would take a whole lot longer - it's a pretty complex airplane and the plans are hard to come by.

Personally, I don't feel the need to have that new airplane smell, so I just buy something used.
 
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
I would think that building a Mooney would take a whole lot longer - it's a pretty complex airplane and the plans are hard to come by.

Personally, I don't feel the need to have that new airplane smell, so I just buy something used.
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I didn't feel like building new either, so I bought a use too.
 
Velocity173 said:
Exactly, and if that's what you're looking for like myself, then you go EAB. I just don't believe in magic dust that some EAB owners would like you to believe.

Why does my Velocity go 165kts and an SR20 go 150kts on the same 200HP? Park next to it and it becomes quite obvious. The SR20's wetted area is much larger than mine. Most pilots will spend the extra money on an SR20 because of the redundancy (BRS) built in, cabin size, production QC, and better handling qualities. I can understand that and if I could afford one, I'd go with Cirrus. For now I'll take my Velocity at half the cost.

Speed comes at a cost; either money or reduction in comfort / capability to get there. If your mission allows for only taking one other person flying and not having much room for baggage, then a two seat EAB will suffice. Comparing a typical 2 seat EAB to a 4 seat production aircraft though is like apples to oranges.
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Well, the day you decide to pick up the Cirrus you let me know. I'd love to be the recipient of a slightly used Velocity at a reasonable price.

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red4golf said:
Well, the day you decide to pick up the Cirrus you let me know. I'd love to be the recipient of a slightly used Velocity at a reasonable price.

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You have to be less than 5' 9" and pretty much a gymnast to get in and out of it.
 
Velocity173 said:
You have to be less than 5' 9" and pretty much a gymnast to get in and out of it.
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I just happen to be 5'9" (thanks to the Army induced disk compression) and I would love to try and squeeze in to something like that.

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red4golf said:
I remember when you brought her home. Is she airworthy? I would love to check her out some day.

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I have most of the aircraft painted and buffed out, and the new engine is ready to install, so now are doing instrument panel re-arrangement, radios etc.
 

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I have most of the aircraft painted and buffed out, and the new engine is ready to install, so now are doing instrument panel re-arrangement, radios etc.
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Looks great!

How far are you from the airpark?

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red4golf said:
Looks great!

How far are you from the airpark?

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3 miles, come on up. we will pick you up. except tomorrow. we are off to the kids house early
 
The non stop coast to coast trip was done by a pretty much bone stock Mooney M20E a few years ago, but the speed was much slower.

I wonder, is this guy that recently died with a Long EZ from Santa Paula?
 
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