Girl taken off flight for crying too much

Everskyward said:
I remember myself between 14 and 16... make that 10 and 30, which is why I refused to have kids. ;)

Seriously, I was playing hooky the day they handed out the maternal genes. Selfish, absolutely, especially with my time, but at least I admit it freely and didn't let anyone pressure me into having any. People used to tell me I would change my mind as I got older but now they have given up.
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heh. not one person has ever told me I'd change my mind - not even my own parents. ar ar ar... ar ar ar... HEY! :rofl:
 
I broke at least a couple wooden spoons over my behind when I was young. Now they make them out of a tougher plastic, so Leslie doesn't break them anymore :)
 
Having kids is such a great responsibility...and it costs so much money to raise them.

Who needs them anyway ? they are so noisy, they make a mess everywhere...and the smell when they soil themselves...horrible

And can you believe those impotent and stupid parents..they let the damn kids cry instead of smacking them in the face...

Hey, I have a great idea- let the illegal immigrants make and raise kids instead...they have nothing better to do anyway.

That way we can keep enjoying our stable and calm (spoiled and selfish ?) lifestyles...
 
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Armageddon Aviator said:
Having kids is such a great responsibility...and it costs so much money to raise them.

Who needs them anyway ? they are so noisy, they make a mess everywhere...and the smell when they soil themselves...horrible

And can you believe those impotent and stupid parents..they let the damn kids cry instead of smacking them in the face...

Hey, I have a great idea- let the illegal immigrants make and raise kids instead...they have nothing better to do anyway.

That way we can keep enjoying our stable and calm (spoiled and selfish ?) lifestyles...
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Armageddon Aviator said:
Having kids is such a great responsibility...and it costs so much money to raise them.

Who needs them anyway ? they are so noisy, they make a mess everywhere...and the smell when they soil themselves...horrible

And can you believe those impotent and stupid parents..they let the damn kids cry instead of smacking them in the face...

Hey, I have a great idea- let the illegal immigrants make and raise kids instead...they have nothing better to do anyway.

That way we can keep enjoying our stable and calm (spoiled and selfish ?) lifestyles...
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Actually there IS an argument to be made regarding an already too crowded planet and a need for the slowing down of the birth of new humans. *shrug*
 
tdager said:
Actually there IS an argument to be made regarding an already too crowded planet and a need for the slowing down of the birth of new humans. *shrug*
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Problem is, only the smart people realize that, and the dumb people keep poppin' kids out. Thus, the general population continues to get stupider on average.

Any solution to that problem is likely to encounter an awful lot of political resistance in this country. Birth licenses (and thus forced Norplant-style birth control and even sterilization), etc.
 
tdager said:
Actually there IS an argument to be made regarding an already too crowded planet and a need for the slowing down of the birth of new humans. *shrug*
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I suggest anyone who believes that crap go stand in the middle of Wyoming and try to find your nearest neighbor.
 
gkainz said:
I suggest anyone who believes that crap go stand in the middle of Wyoming and try to find your nearest neighbor.
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It's not so much an issue of space, rather one of resources. There's a limited amount of arable land on earth to raise food on and the topsoil in those areas is erroding. There's a shortage of clean fresh water(Australia is about to start recycling sewage into drinking water:vomit: ). Then there's also energy resources to deal with. To top it all off, this only considers human needs. We share this planet with myriad other species which also serve an important role in the balance of the planet. The best I can figure it, this planet can comfortably support 1-2 billion people without running in depletion mode.
 
I tried to stay out of this, but....

Yes, there are kids who seem like they are raised by wolves. I don't know what the heeee the parents think they are doing, but they ain't parenting. There are a few in my daughter's kindergarten class like that.

Still, anyone with kids has been through what my brother-in-law refers to as nutties. Kids (good and bad) lose it, usually (because kids are pretty aware) at the worst moment. I wasn't there, so I won't judge, but even the best of kids lose it at the worst of times. Ask me how I know.

Chucking them off the plane is NOT the answer. Nor is a physical response. When an adult hits a kid it's because they've no ideas or solutions. Doesn't take much courage to hit someone smaller than you are. Fear and respect are two different things. Parenting is about respect. Bullying is about fear. Hitting doesn't generate respect, only fear. My opinion.

JD - thank you for your story. Rest assured, it doesn't take an LTC or SrMSgt to make a kind gesture to a military family in need. I'd have had my wallet open too. Thank goodness, with all the stuff in the middle east, that at least the folks least in control of the situation (i.e. the enlisteds) are not being spit upon and called babykillers. At least, not to their faces. That crap at funerals by those knucklehead protesters, well, if those folks are as religious as they say they are they're going to be pretty shocked at their reception at the pearly gates, IMHO.
 
flyersfan31 said:
I tried to stay out of this, but....

Chucking them off the plane is NOT the answer. Nor is a physical response. When an adult hits a kid it's because they've no ideas or solutions. Doesn't take much courage to hit someone smaller than you are. Fear and respect are two different things. Parenting is about respect. Bullying is about fear. Hitting doesn't generate respect, only fear. My opinion.
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So what is the answer? Remember there are over 100 folks waiting. I think if you can't find a solution is a few minutes then you have to remove the child until they can get control. One of my sister's has asperger's. You've never seen a lockup like that. I agree beating and bullying won't work but firm control either into the seat or out of the plane will.
 
flyersfan31 said:
Thank goodness, with all the stuff in the middle east, that at least the folks least in control of the situation (i.e. the enlisteds) are not being spit upon and called babykillers.
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Except by members of our own US Senate and House of Representatives. . .

At least, not to their faces.
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The people who call soldiers, sailors and airmen "warmongers" and "babykillers" and "rapists" etc have no visible reproductively-paired organs--thus saying it in the safety and sanctuary of the Capitol and in the press.

That crap at funerals by those knucklehead protesters, well, if those folks are as religious as they say they are they're going to be pretty shocked at their reception at the pearly gates, IMHO.
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Our VFW post has a "select" group that attends funerals of Texas men/women KIA. Rest assured if anyone tries to bust into the funeral and protest or defile the deceased's memory/image, the resulting actions will not be pretty nor pleasant.

Regards.

-JD
 
CowboyPilot said:
Our VFW post has a "select" group that attends funerals of Texas men/women KIA. Rest assured if anyone tries to bust into the funeral and protest or defile the deceased's memory/image, the resulting actions will not be pretty nor pleasant.
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As gratifying as that would be to do or see (I'd buy tickets to watch a whoopin of those ****s), in the case of those Westboro Baptist sh**s, that's exactly what they want. In fact, they're less of a "religion" than than a legal scam. They want people to assault them, so that they can turn around and sue everybody: The city police, the cemetery, and any organizations or individuals involved. As is usually the case with such seemingly inexplicable, sick, and deranged people, the explanation is pretty simple: follow the money. I'm not sure why the ACLU, in supporting them, hasn't seen the obvious nature of their real aim, which is clearly to try to incite violence (who wouldn't want to beat the living crap out of 'em?) and then profit from it. Sick.
 
Henning said:
It's not so much an issue of space, rather one of resources. There's a limited amount of arable land on earth to raise food on and the topsoil in those areas is erroding. There's a shortage of clean fresh water(Australia is about to start recycling sewage into drinking water:vomit: ). Then there's also energy resources to deal with. To top it all off, this only considers human needs. We share this planet with myriad other species which also serve an important role in the balance of the planet. The best I can figure it, this planet can comfortably support 1-2 billion people without running in depletion mode.
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Thank you Henning for putting succinctly into words what I would have tried to say as a follow-up.

Too many people equate any discussion of overpopulation with space, when that is only one small part of the total argument. Besides, do we WANT Wyoming to look like India, or China? I mean do we really want to wait until we are "full up" before talking about it. Not too mention the very real, and more important, resource issue.
 
flyersfan31 said:
Chucking them off the plane is NOT the answer.
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I respectfully disagree. Chucking them off the plane is exactly the right answer. If a grown man refused to take a seat, screaming at the top of his lungs and holding up the pushback, I'd fully expect the flight crew to remove him from the flight. These people, for whatever reason, lost control of their child. They are accountable for the behavior of their child. Whether we, as a society, hold them accountable has been at issue ever since Dr. Spock came on the scene. We have a right (I would go as far as to say we have an obligation) in a civilized society to expect parents to be held accountable for the behavior of their children. "You have one minute to regain control of your child or we're going to ask you to take the next flight." As a paying pax that's what I would expect.

How they were removed from the flight is in question, and the parenting lecture provided by the gate agent was out of line. Sending their luggage on to Boston (along with their car seat) was unfortunate. Making them wait 24 hours to catch another flight was unreasonable. But removing them from the flight was exactly the right thing to do.
 
Agree 100% with Chip.

It comes down to personal responsibility - and parental responsibility for their offspring.

They should have been given their baggage and carry-ons, but other than that, removal of the child and parents was absolutely the right thing.
 
I withdraw any statement made here by myself. As a non-parent I have no right to say that anyone should attempt to control their child in my presence. In fact, I should be ppleased that I get to be so close to the temper tantrum while the parent sits there and says "Stop it!" over and over again and takes no real action.

Also - I never really wanted to see that movie anyways, so I have no reason to complain at parents that don't remove their children from a quiet situation. And quiet in the library? Bah - thats only for the non-parents. Parents don't have to follow that rule.

I apologize for thinking a non-parent has the right to ask parents to be parents.
 
SkyHog said:
I withdraw any statement made here by myself. As a non-parent I have no right to say that anyone should attempt to control their child in my presence. In fact, I should be ppleased that I get to be so close to the temper tantrum while the parent sits there and says "Stop it!" over and over again and takes no real action.

Also - I never really wanted to see that movie anyways, so I have no reason to complain at parents that don't remove their children from a quiet situation. And quiet in the library? Bah - thats only for the non-parents. Parents don't have to follow that rule.

I apologize for thinking a non-parent has the right to ask parents to be parents.
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Nick, no one is challenging that you (and everyone else) are entitled to ride the plane, watch the movie, eat at the restaurant, whatever, free of disruptive child behavior.

And you are quite, emphatically, correct that it is the responsibility of the parents (and only the parents) to keep their child under control and, if they cannot, to remove themselves from the public venue until they have made appropriate arrangements.

The main point you need to understand is this: they ain't that easy to control, at times, and it often goes way beyond the parents' will.
 
SkyHog said:
I withdraw any statement made here by myself. As a non-parent I have no right to say that anyone should attempt to control their child in my presence. In fact, I should be ppleased that I get to be so close to the temper tantrum while the parent sits there and says "Stop it!" over and over again and takes no real action.

Also - I never really wanted to see that movie anyways, so I have no reason to complain at parents that don't remove their children from a quiet situation. And quiet in the library? Bah - thats only for the non-parents. Parents don't have to follow that rule.

I apologize for thinking a non-parent has the right to ask parents to be parents.
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Nick, it's all good. Of course you have the right to want all of the above, but as with many things in life, that doesn't mean it's gonna happen. It's part of living in a society. Occassionally we have to deal with others that annoy us. Heck, at least bullets don't fly out of the kids when they have tantrums:p .

The funny part was the notion that one can "contol" that kind of behavior in a three year old, one cannot. Mental connection wise, a three year old is much like your puppy, they will do what they will do to a good extent and theres nothing one can do when that switch flips except try to figure a way to flip the switch back.
 
Henning said:
Nick, it's all good. Of course you have the right to want all of the above, but as with many things in life, that doesn't mean it's gonna happen. It's part of living in a society. Occassionally we have to deal with others that annoy us. Heck, at least bullets don't fly out of the kids when they have tantrums:p .

The funny part was the notion that one can "contol" that kind of behavior in a three year old, one cannot. Mental connection wise, a three year old is much like your puppy, they will do what they will do to a good extent and theres nothing one can do when that switch flips except try to figure a way to flip the switch back.
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Wouldn't it be more true to say that there's nothing you can do to 'control' the child as the behavior is happening (i.e. too late)? I see my siblings 'controlling' their kids all the time in small and not so small ways, such that I can't imagine they'd ever find themselves in a situation where a child throws a switch that they can't immediately switch back off. Several of the posts on parerntal responsibility seem to be more about how the child is programmed rather than how the parents responded at that moment.
 
Pjsmith said:
Wouldn't it be more true to say that there's nothing you can do to 'control' the child as the behavior is happening (i.e. too late)? I see my siblings 'controlling' their kids all the time in small and not so small ways, such that I can't imagine they'd ever find themselves in a situation where a child throws a switch that they can't immediately switch back off. Several of the posts on parerntal responsibility seem to be more about how the child is programmed rather than how the parents responded at that moment.
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One thing that can't be controlled or switched on or off is fear. If that kid was scared ****less, nothing short term was going to calm him(her) down.
 
Pjsmith said:
Wouldn't it be more true to say that there's nothing you can do to 'control' the child as the behavior is happening (i.e. too late)? I see my siblings 'controlling' their kids all the time in small and not so small ways, such that I can't imagine they'd ever find themselves in a situation where a child throws a switch that they can't immediately switch back off. Several of the posts on parerntal responsibility seem to be more about how the child is programmed rather than how the parents responded at that moment.
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Right. You teach your children every day what is acceptable and what is not. If you find yourself at an airport and your child is throwing a temper tantrum, handle it before you get on the airplane.

This child was hitting her mother and lying on the floor. That is pique. A fearful child would be clinging to Mom.

I can remember the three times I hit or threatened to hit a child and the first one was pulling a four-old aside and telling him that a repeat of his behavior at the mall would end in taking him home for a beating. I never did hit that child.

Children want your attention, understanding, and approval. Knowing that, you can "manipulate" them.
 
Hey - I have a kid now. Does my opinion matter?

He throws tantrums, like all kids do. No brain locks yet that I can't get through and affect almost immediate behavioral changes to....
 
SkyHog said:
Hey - I have a kid now. Does my opinion matter?

He throws tantrums, like all kids do. No brain locks yet that I can't get through and affect almost immediate behavioral changes to....
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Cattle prod? ;)

But seriously, can you ignore the chattel now or is it still as jarring as it was when you were without a house ape?


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Tantrums usually only last a few mins. If you have kids you understand, if you don't you won't. Sometimes, there is nothing you can do and you should take the kid out of the situation, but on a plane on a schedule..... that is a tough call for all.

As posted earlier corporal punishment in public is all but banned and could easily end in the parents arrest. Thank you PC police.
 
Nice (on topic) necro post!

Thing is it is a 3 year old. Three year olds are small. Maybe you can't shut her up but you can put her in the seat, buckle her in and arm bar her in place if you need to.
 
Another example of why all airliners should have a roll of duct tape on board.

-John

Sorry if this observation has already been made, I did not read all of the thread.
 
SkyHog said:
Hey - I have a kid now. Does my opinion matter?

He throws tantrums, like all kids do. No brain locks yet that I can't get through and affect almost immediate behavioral changes to....
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Your opinion matters very much. I'd like your opinion on which of these images I should use in the future (I'm partial to the "Holy Necroposting, Batman" one - nice and neutral.)

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Geico266 said:
Tantrums usually only last a few mins. If you have kids you understand, if you don't you won't. Sometimes, there is nothing you can do and you should take the kid out of the situation, but on a plane on a schedule..... that is a tough call for all.

As posted earlier corporal punishment in public is all but banned and could easily end in the parents arrest. Thank you PC police.
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I'm told that I only had one tantrum. It lasted until my mother started wailing on my ass with a wooden spoon. According to mom, I never had another.

-Rich
 
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