korben88
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Is there a plane capable of making a flight from conus to Hawaii and then to Japan fuel wise?
ga flying to japan??
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korben88
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Other way around?
sourdough44
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Midway Island is along that route. There are usually strong headwinds too, plus the water gets cold.
I'd opt for a seat on a commercial airliner, unless well versed in the 'ferry' process.
I'd opt for a seat on a commercial airliner, unless well versed in the 'ferry' process.
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Japan to Hawaii. I.e with the wind instead of against it.
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It's not the Hawaii to Japan leg that would worry me, it's the US to Hawaii one. That's the longest ETOPS segment in the world. There is absolutely nothing between here and there.
But if I was going to do that flight, I'd go up to Alaska, down the Aelutian islands, down the coast of Russia and into Japan.
But if I was going to do that flight, I'd go up to Alaska, down the Aelutian islands, down the coast of Russia and into Japan.
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Seriously though,
Any Piston Aircraft is going to have to ferry there and you are going to need a ferry permit. Here is a guy on You Tube that has flown a Cessna 172 from California to Hawaii.
Any Piston Aircraft is going to have to ferry there and you are going to need a ferry permit. Here is a guy on You Tube that has flown a Cessna 172 from California to Hawaii.
Balls of steel.
Transient aircraft are prohibited at Midway Atoll.
Go through Alaska and Russia?
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No 100LL in eastern Russia, at least there wasn't about 5 years ago.
The question was about "a plane", but guessing the OP means a small GA piston.
Lancair Evolution Piston quotes an economy cruise range of 2500nm at 25000'/210KTAS/12gph with 168 gallon std tanks. That'd give you a 500nm/2.4hr margin with no wind (ha!).
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I have seen 300 kt + headwinds from Anchorage to Japan at altitude. In 29 years I have seen Adak exactly three times. We have actually had a hard time finding a legal alternate at times (due to the amount of fuel vs load requirements economics). 2500 NM range? Pushing it in my opinion.
Do it at night so you could hopefully find the Japanese fishing fleet for help in case of a ditching.
Do it at night so you could hopefully find the Japanese fishing fleet for help in case of a ditching.
Peter Garrison did it in a homebuilt, Melmoth 1. Alaska to Japan,
1976, with his girlfriend. Single engine four-place. Also the Atlantic, via Gander, I think.
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C150's have done it. They'd fly out of KSBA
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Definitely not saying it can't be done but everything must be very well planned.
Weather in the NOPAC is dicey. NoAtl much easier done.
Weather in the NOPAC is dicey. NoAtl much easier done.
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If you have a choice between flying over NoATL to get somewhere vs. Alaska over to Russia where you'd never be out of gliding distance over water, which route would you take? (when it works out to be approximately the same distance).
Turboprop, so fuel supply is not an issue... Well, I think... can any Jet A1 rated turboprop take TS-1?
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Main difference between Jet A and TS-1 is a higher sulphur content and a lower flash point for TS-1. Otherwise, basically the same stuff. Ran it in Garretts and Pratts. Runs just fine.
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I don't know how they manage, but I know that some people fly PC-12 between Japan and Alaska alongside the shore of Kamchatka. In theory there should not be enough range. The route is something like 2x the published range (with reserve). Always was curious about it. But it has a potty!
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North Atlantic vs Russian overflight? easy answer...North Atlantic. It is done much more often by GA aircraft. Engine or fuel problem isn't much different. You are going to be in a big time world of hurt. Much more traffic over the North Atlantic and you can get some help much easier. Over Russia? I have flown it multiple times and there miles and miles and miles and miles of nothing...the wolves and bears will enjoy you though.
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Direct Hawaii to Japan? No GA aircraft can do it with standard tanks. Here are the SP range kings:
1. Swearingen Metro IIIB - 2600nm
2. SJ30 - 2500nm
3. Mooney Ovation - 2400nm
4. Conquest 441/Cheyenne 400LS - 2200nm
5. Turbo Commander - 2000nm
1. Swearingen Metro IIIB - 2600nm
2. SJ30 - 2500nm
3. Mooney Ovation - 2400nm
4. Conquest 441/Cheyenne 400LS - 2200nm
5. Turbo Commander - 2000nm
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Are those with stock tanks?
After crossing the Atlantic, what route do you recommend to Japan?
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Yes, or in the case of the Mooney with the optional aux factory tanks. Not one time ferry tanks that need special signoff and permission.
A retired airline pilot built a Lancair IV and flew it out to Guam through Hawaii. He turned around and flew non stop to Jacksonville, Fl (36 hour leg). Started out with 360 gals and landed with 5. He then flew over both poles for an around the world record. I forget all the details but both trips were grueling.
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Did 17 in a Buff PGUA-KBAD non-great circle into the wind. Nooooo thanks. My endurance mantra now is the same for piston or transport category: "Three point Oh, or I don't go."
If the sortie duration exceeds the G-meter, I'm doing it wrong.
If the sortie duration exceeds the G-meter, I'm doing it wrong.
Landshark
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The Voyager could do it. A bit difficult to fly with full fuel tho.