Fun IFR Platform ?????

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Well, I've put it off as long as I can. It is time to do my C and Instrument tickets.

I do not currently have an IFR platform for training. What tends to be the most fun for instrument training?
 
I was just hoping not to have to fly a POS :) I guess I'm spoiled.
 
IFR flying is straight and level flying punctuated by standard rate turns and the occasional climb or descent. Fun and IFR have nothing to do with each other.

"Fun" flying planes are poor IFR platforms because good ones are very stable. Fun planes are more maneuverable.

so not sure I understand the question.


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Well, I've put it off as long as I can. It is time to do my C and Instrument tickets.

I do not currently have an IFR platform for training. What tends to be the most fun for instrument training?
Get something new-ish with the latest Garmin avionics.

Consider different planes for the C and IR, just for kicks and $$$
 
I'd highly recommend training in the most basic steam gauge plane you can find, using two VOR heads vs watching a moving map and waypoints, it'll make you a better IFR pilot for sure.

Fun factor, well you could find a Tailwheel plane that's rigged for basic IFR.
 
Fun IFR platform? Here you go;
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I'd highly recommend training in the most basic steam gauge plane you can find, using two VOR heads vs watching a moving map and waypoints, it'll make you a better IFR pilot for sure.

Fun factor, well you could find a Tailwheel plane that's rigged for basic IFR.

I did that in my old Maule. You'll learn stuff you don't need to know in the current environment. You'll still need to learn some basic stuff that you hadn't covered. It can make you a more experienced and knowledgeable pilot. It can frustrate your ambitions and cost you time and money you may not want to spend.

Want some fun and excitement? Find a really good and experienced instructor that will take you out in some actual IMC during your training, preferably on one or more multi-stop CCs.

For Bonus Points - Regarding training with tail wheels; Does a CFII need a TW endorsement to log dual instrument instruction with a TW endorsed student?


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I would think adrenaline and IFR are not the best combination :) Plus the adrenaline comes from flying toys where I'm looking outside.

I just figure if I have to sit in something for 40 hours I might as well try to make it something enjoyable.



Nope, no tail wheel needed for the CFII as I'm PIC and the landings are on me :)
 
Find a 152 with only one Nav/Comm. That will be fun as you you tune and spin (the bezel, not the plane) like mad to find an intersection.

I think I agree with @James331 - more basic panels tend to produce more advanced pilot skills.
 
I'd highly recommend training in the most basic steam gauge plane you can find, using two VOR heads vs watching a moving map and waypoints, it'll make you a better IFR pilot for sure.

Fun factor, well you could find a Tailwheel plane that's rigged for basic IFR.
The Husky fills that bill.
 
Fine parsing of the FARs is one of the under appreciated aspects of IFR training.


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I'd highly recommend training in the most basic steam gauge plane you can find, using two VOR heads vs watching a moving map and waypoints, it'll make you a better IFR pilot for sure.

Fun factor, well you could find a Tailwheel plane that's rigged for basic IFR.
Glad to hear you say that, because that is exactly what I'm about to start doing right after my heated pitot is installed...training for IR w/steam gauges w/2 vor's, one with ILS, and no autopilot.
 
Anything with a G1000.

I wouldn't call that fun. I deal with computers for a living. I fly with G1000s when I have to, but they are not the platform of choice, even IFR. Getting IFR proficient in a G1000 and nothing else will complicate transitions to other platforms. Steam gauges -- even with a GTN650 (almost as capable as G1000, even more so if you want ADS-B instead of TIS and XM) -- do not have the same relationship.

There are at least four "bust" buttons on G1000s, at least with the later autopilot. A GTN650 only has one (CDI). The other three are all related to VNAV.
 
I really think that if you use an IFR/GPS you should get the simulator. Those things are great, but they take a long time to master and have a lot of gotcha's.
 
Well, I've put it off as long as I can. It is time to do my C and Instrument tickets.

I do not currently have an IFR platform for training. What tends to be the most fun for instrument training?
Something with retractable gear and an IFR GPS. Something that you would actually take into the clouds. I'm bothered to no end by people who will train in an IFR 172 yet not go into IMC with it. If you train at 80 knots you're going to have an 80 knot mind. Good luck in a 160 knot Mooney.

Also, depending on your end goals, I would consider doing part of it in a multiengine aircraft as well as knocking out the odds and ends sort of requirements for the Commercial.
 
Find a 152 with only one Nav/Comm. That will be fun as you you tune and spin (the bezel, not the plane) like mad to find an intersection.

I think I agree with @James331 - more basic panels tend to produce more advanced pilot skills.

Make that a single ARC radio, flip-flop frequencies are cheating!
 
IFR is NOT FUN! I am half way thru mine and had to take a break. Stressful and tricky come to mind. I like the Piper Archer platform. Simple to land and stable in flight. For more complex planes, maybe a Cessna 182 or if you want to buy a plane for future usage, something like a Piper Arrow or Cessna 172RG? Both can be used for IR/Commercial tickets. For me, I love Beechcraft Bonanza and decided to find one and finish in that.
 
IFR was fun for me. I also did vastly better in both my test and my checkride then I did for either my private or commercial flights/tests.

I guess the more structured way of flying is my preferred method. <shrug>

For me I bought a Cherokee 180 that was only capable of VOR/ILS/LOC approaches and put in a GTN-650. It already had an autopilot, so I was all set after the GPS.

I didn't get the GPS because I couldn't fly VOR/ILS/LOC approaches on the gauges. I got it because around where I live, RNAV approaches are FAR more prevalent then the others. I didn't want to have to fly out of my way just to practice approaches because my plane wasn't equipped properly. Remember that once you get your rating, you have to stay current..
 
Nope, no tail wheel needed for the CFII as I'm PIC and the landings are on me :)

Well, strangely, your CFII does require a TW endorsement for any TW flights where he/she is acting as PIC. Without the endorsement, all flights would have to be in VMC but that wouldn't include the required CC where an IFR plan must be filed and flown. Of course, who would ever know?

Anyway, parsing the FARs is an under appreciated aspect of IFR flying nonetheless, but the above example is stupid and not representative.

BTW, getting my IR was some of the most fun I ever had as a student. Good sweaty fun!


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Fun for IFR? WAAS GPS, two axis autopilot and roll steering. FIKI for bonus points. Oh and dual electrical systems and AIs. That's fun IFR for me.


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Fun for IFR? WAAS GPS, two axis autopilot and roll steering. FIKI for bonus points. Oh and dual electrical systems and AIs. That's fun IFR for me.


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What? You don't consider a surprise icing encounter in a non-FIKI aircraft with a flaky electrical system "fun?" Where's your sense of adventure?
 
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I tried doing my IFR in my Grumman Tiger (very light on the controls and def "fun" for VFR) but it's so twitchy that maintaining a simple heading is a challenge. As much as I was bored with my flight school's C-172 by the time I finished my PPL, it would be a much easier platform for IFR training. So-- be careful what you wish for!
 
You can get a fully IFR equipped Extra 300L with Aspen and a Garmin GTN and fully ADS-b compliant. And, you won't tumble any gyros with the AHRS. Can also get an STEC autopilot installed as well.
 
IFR is still the most fun flying I have. I get the most enjoyment from flying when getting the fullest utility out of my plane- which for me is IFR on a day when I wouldn't have been able to fly otherwise.
 
IFR flying is fun but it is not the airplane that makes it so IMHO. It is the personal challenge of staying upright in clouds, going when others can't and perfecting procedures and accuracy in your flying and control of the airplane. Seeing a runway pop into view at low altitude after hours of flying can't be beat. If that is not your cup of tea, forget IFR and do something else because you won't stay current. I learned on steam gauges, VOR/ILS only and no autopilot; it's the best way.
 
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AcroBoy,
I know. I've de-weeded a couple of Extras I bought with all that IFR stuff in them :) There is something odd about wanting to get all that extra weight to turn a corner.
 
FWIW I'm waiting to do my instrument until I'm able to do it in my own plane, which will be a Cessna 180 - best of both worlds, stable AND fun!

Might be worth looking into a Cessna 195 as well, almost all of those are equipped for IFR.
 
Heresy here, but here goes - do it in an airplane with an autopilot, if you aren't going to fly professionally. When you're getting dual for the ticket, you don't have to use the AP. But after you get the ticket, single pilot IMC flight, without at least a wing leveler, is hard, dangerous work in lighter GA aircraft. . .yeah, yeah, if the AP quits, you gotta be able to fly solely by reference, and it'll kick off in heavy turbulence, and always look both ways before crossing the street. . . an AP will lighten your load and free up cycles for doing other stuff. I bet you're smart enough to hand-fly a good bit, to keep proficient, and set some personal minimums presuming an AP failure, too. . .
 
The fun instruments are the ones your instructor will cover up for most your training! I like flying IFR, it's really fun once you pass the checkride. I do agree with Sundancer. If you are a GA pilot who doesn't fly fly for a living then having a simple heading following autopilot will dramatically reduce the workload of flying IFR! The good news is that the prices of GA autopilots is on a downward slope.
 
Hmmmm.....something fun and exciting for instrument training?

Hasta be a PC-12....loaded with all the goodies. Yep, that'll do it. :D:wonderwoman:
 
I love flying IMC in our Skyhawk, no WAAS GPS, no retracts, just get in and go... I've done 500 mile legs where the first 3 hours were in actual IMC. If you are going to be serious about single-pilot IFR, you need a bird that has at least a wing leveler, but preferably one that will follow a GPS course.

VFR is the best way to fly local. But IFR is the best way to fly long distance. Clouds? Just punch on through...

Awesome! Welcome to a rewarding, and fun experience!

-Dana
 
You are the first person that I recall using the terms IFR training and fun together.
But he ain't alone! :D

Yes, my instrument training was fun. Lots of fun. Afterall, I was FLYING. Duh!
Flying should always be fun. If it is not, you're doing something wrong.

Now go fly and ENJOY IT, dangit! :)
 
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