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What is the difference between the regular and the pro versions??
And if I am flying with a G1000, is it even worth it so spend the money on either???
 
TommyG said:
What is the difference between the regular and the pro versions??
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Major difference is that standard version georeferences position on sectional and enroute charts, while "Pro" adds georeferencing on approach plates and runway diagrams.

FWIW, I'm OK with the standard version.

And if I am flying with a G1000, is it even worth it so spend the money on either???
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I think it's worth the money as a pre-flight planner alone. Plus, you have a completely independent, stand-alone, very capable back-up to your G1000.
 
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TommyG said:
What is the difference between the regular and the pro versions??
And if I am flying with a G1000, is it even worth it so spend the money on either???
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For creating and filing flight plans and getting a weather brief the regular subscription is all you'll need. The moving map gives you a nice backup in the event your Garmin G1000 goes south. The pro subscription gives you geo-referenced plates. I'm guessing with the G1000 (I have the G500 so I have some idea of what you fly with) you have what you need and won't need the pro version.
 
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Does your G1000 have a picture of the paper approach procedure to display along with the magenta line on the map view?

I have the std version right now, not doing much actual IFR work.
 
Ok I just got Foreflight, one of the primary motivators is that I will be flying an airplane that will not have a panel mount GPS for a while. I tried it out the other day in the air, works great. I've mostly got it figured out but, a couple questions for you Foreflight whizzes. I'm using it on an Iphone 4.

1. Is there a way to set the map view so that it orients in the direction of travel, like a standard panel mount GPS?

2. I suspect the answer is "no", but is there any way to set the map view so that just airspace and airports are displayed? Or maybe a way to make those features (airspace in particular) stand out better?
 
I'm not sure about track up vs north up display. I have not found it on my iPad.
The charts are as downloaded from govt. try using the low IFR chart to get rid of terrain features.
 
I also have a g1000 in my plane but could not imagine not having foreflight w georef plates, love it, allows me to have the info on my ipad w out taking up the mfd with the info
 
BillTIZ said:
I'm not sure about track up vs north up display. I have not found it on my iPad.
The charts are as downloaded from govt. try using the low IFR chart to get rid of terrain features.
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The low IFR chart is very clear and easy to see, but it doesn't depict airspace, and that is a primary need of mine as I normally fly close to B, C and D airspaces.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Ok I just got Foreflight, one of the primary motivators is that I will be flying an airplane that will not have a panel mount GPS for a while. I tried it out the other day in the air, works great. I've mostly got it figured out but, a couple questions for you Foreflight whizzes. I'm using it on an Iphone 4.

1. Is there a way to set the map view so that it orients in the direction of travel, like a standard panel mount GPS?

2. I suspect the answer is "no", but is there any way to set the map view so that just airspace and airports are displayed? Or maybe a way to make those features (airspace in particular) stand out better?
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1. Nope. Whispers of rumor that they are working on it.

2. Not really. Closest thing is to select the worldmap and then select one of the weather reporting options. Will show airports with weather reporting only, though.
 
Sac Arrow said:
The low IFR chart is very clear and easy to see, but it doesn't depict airspace, and that is a primary need of mine as I normally fly close to B, C and D airspaces.
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I was thinking depicted airspace as MOA and Restricted areas, not Class B or C.
We have more of the former to deal with, but yes I circumnavigate Class B regularly.
 
I don't use the pro version because I don't trust the georeferencing on the plates due to the fact that the plates are not drawn to scale.
 
I really agree with the FAA's guidance that says it's a bad idea to have the moving airplane on approach plates unless it's a certified solution. We all know we're supposed to reference the instruments but that big iPad display gets compelling.
 
DrMack said:
I don't use the pro version because I don't trust the georeferencing on the plates due to the fact that the plates are not drawn to scale.
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i have them on the g1000 and the ipad, i have never noticed them off even a little, been using them since the geo refed came out
 
TommyG said:
And if I am flying with a G1000, is it even worth it so spend the money on either???
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You've gotten a lot of correct answers but the assumption level is high.

G1000 with which features, and are you paying the bill for XM, and the other goodies?

(CAP has gorgeous G1000 T182Ts... and no one's paying for the add-ons. Complete frakkin' waste of half the features in the Avionics. XM expired, SafeTaxi expired, etc etc etc. Only GPS updates. Stupid.)
 
"and are you paying the bill for XM, and the other goodies?"

I have a rental that I use and instruct in, It does have the XM weather, it has traffic. I am still getting use to all the extras it can do.
 
DrMack said:
I don't use the pro version because I don't trust the georeferencing on the plates due to the fact that the plates are not drawn to scale.
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Where did you see that? One of the reasons they geo-reference approach charts and not SIDS and STARS is because the former are drawn to scale and the latter are not.

Hove you seen any discrepancies between your position on an approach chart in FF (or WingX) and your position on either a certified or non-certified aviation GPS? I haven't (most recently Saturday with an Avidyne MFD/Dual 430 system) and your experience to the contrary would be valuable.

What were you using on the iPad? Internal GPS? External GPS (which one)?
 
midlifeflyer said:
Where did you see that? One of the reasons they geo-reference approach charts and not SIDS and STARS is because the former are drawn to scale and the latter are not.

Hove you seen any discrepancies between your position on an approach chart in FF (or WingX) and your position on either a certified or non-certified aviation GPS? I haven't (most recently Saturday with an Avidyne MFD/Dual 430 system) and your experience to the contrary would be valuable.

What were you using on the iPad? Internal GPS? External GPS (which one)?
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i use a external, like i said before i have had no discrepancy and use it about every time i fly
 
midlifeflyer said:
Where did you see that? One of the reasons they geo-reference approach charts and not SIDS and STARS is because the former are drawn to scale and the latter are not.

Hove you seen any discrepancies between your position on an approach chart in FF (or WingX) and your position on either a certified or non-certified aviation GPS? I haven't (most recently Saturday with an Avidyne MFD/Dual 430 system) and your experience to the contrary would be valuable.

What were you using on the iPad? Internal GPS? External GPS (which one)?
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FAA Instrument Rating Handbook http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...IVH90TyrbTQk9CEnQ&sig2=NB-3-xf5fsuFBULzJYMdWQ

The majority of NACO charts contain a reference or distance
circle with a 10 NM radius. Normally, approach features
within the plan view are shown to scale; however, only the
data within the reference circle is always drawn to scale. The
circle is centered on an approach fix and has a radius of 10
NM, unless otherwise indicated. When a route segment,
outside of the circle, is drawn to scale, the symbol <double squiggly line>
interrupts the segment.

Dashed circles, or concentric rings around the distance
circle, are used when the information necessary to the
procedure will not fit to scale within the limits of the plan
view area.
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DrMack said:
FAA Instrument Rating Handbook http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...IVH90TyrbTQk9CEnQ&sig2=NB-3-xf5fsuFBULzJYMdWQ
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And?

I'm even more curious whether you've actually looked at geo-referenced approach charts or are opining from what you imagine they are. For example, the ones from FF draw a blue box around the portion of the chart that is to scale and only show geo-referencing within that area.

geo-ref-image-top-right.jpg


The others probably do something similar since the source of the geo-referenced approach charts for FF, WingXPro and a number of others is the same FAA-approved Seattle Avionics set.
 
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Love FF. Have the pro version, and the geo-referenced plates are super for situational awareness and backup shooting an approach. Haven't yet had to use the taxi diagrams. Having said that, I experienced my first lock-up the other day in flight, so I have been karmically warned to never rely on it for primary nav.
 
Then again, my friend had the outer selector ring on his spankin' new 530 stop selecting in flight on him too, so which is the certified karmic warning?
 
Chip Sylverne said:
Love FF. Have the pro version, and the geo-referenced plates are super for situational awareness and backup shooting an approach. Haven't yet had to use the taxi diagrams. Having said that, I experienced my first lock-up the other day in flight, so I have been karmically warned to never rely on it for primary nav.
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This is a scary post. I haven't had any kind of lock up problems with FF on IPad. Running on my IPhone it gets persnickety sometimes though.
 
I've had a number of iPad crashes in flight. FF recovers nicely when restarted, but it's a pain. I suspect part of the problem is that I'm using an iPad 1, and software grows to fit the resources of the day... and a dual-core processor in the iPad 2 is the order of the day these days.

Optimization of code? Hasn't been popular in decades unless you're an "embedded" systems engineer. Most coders these days haven't even seen machine language, let alone programmed in it. They have no idea what the compiler is actually doing.
 
denverpilot said:
I've had a number of iPad crashes in flight. FF recovers nicely when restarted, but it's a pain. I suspect part of the problem is that I'm using an iPad 1, and software grows to fit the resources of the day... and a dual-core processor in the iPad 2 is the order of the day these days.
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So far I haven't had a crash with FF in my iPad 1. But I can see the difference in the slower refresh with the recent FF updates.
 
denverpilot said:
I've had a number of iPad crashes in flight. FF recovers nicely when restarted, but it's a pain. I suspect part of the problem is that I'm using an iPad 1, and software grows to fit the resources of the day... and a dual-core processor in the iPad 2 is the order of the day these days.

Optimization of code? Hasn't been popular in decades unless you're an "embedded" systems engineer. Most coders these days haven't even seen machine language, let alone programmed in it. They have no idea what the compiler is actually doing.
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I wrote assembly language on a DEC PDP8 in 1974. It was a 12 bit machine with 4K of repairable core memory. It was amazing what we did with it. I

Mine is an IPad2. I hope I don't experience any crashes as you describe.
 
On another related subject, are they any issues with using a 12 v Iphone or Ipad charger on a 28 v airplane system?
 
The 172S and T182T I fly have 28V electrical systems, but the car-style cigarette-lighter power adapter port is 12V / 10A. No issues using a normal adapter. I bet it's the same for yours.

I have a Kensington PowerBolt Duo Car Charger; it has 2 USB ports; one is 2.1 amps to charge an iPad, and the other is 1.0 am can can quick charge an iPhone / cell phone/ iPod or other USB device.

I like that it has an indicator LED on the face of it, so I know if the adapter is properly seated and receiving power from the airplane. Read the reviews; many of these "2.0 amp" devices don't charge iPads well; this one does, as reflected by purchaser's comments.
 
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