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Melvin Majoros

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Hello everyone, I was just curious to know. I am not endorsed for the 172 only the 152 and havent flown in nearly a year so am not current. If I fly a plane not being endorsed in it(172) and do my night 3 full stops, can I still log it and get current? Thank you have a good day.
 
Are you a student pilot still? If you are, I believe that you will need to get your instructor to endorse you for the 172. To answer your original question, though, both a 172 and a 152 are in the same class and category (airplane, single engine land), so the currency carries over.
 
As Skychaser says, it only really matters if you're a student. Otherwise, you don't need endorsements for individual aircraft types, unless it's a jet or above 12,500 pounds.

However, there might be a factor with insurance. Years ago, I bought half-interest in a Stinson 108. I was past my 90 day currency. Figured I'd kill two birds with one stone by having an instructor check me out in the aircraft. Insurance company nixed that, since I'd technically be PIC and thus couldn't carry a passenger...even if the passenger was a CFI providing a checkout. Flew the plane solo without a checkout.

Ron Wanttaja
 
wanttaja said:
...Years ago, I bought half-interest in a Stinson 108. I was past my 90 day currency. Figured I'd kill two birds with one stone by having an instructor check me out in the aircraft. Insurance company nixed that, since I'd technically be PIC and thus couldn't carry a passenger...even if the passenger was a CFI providing a checkout. Flew the plane solo without a checkout.

Ron Wanttaja
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Wouldn't it have been possible to designate the CFI as the PIC?
 
Assuming you aren't talking about student pilot solo endorsements, are you in a flying club? Most rental FBOs are going to want you to be checked out in a plane that you have not logged time in before they will rent it to you.
 
midlifeflyer said:
What are the passenger carrying currency requirements for a student pilot?
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It's rather obvious that students aren't allowed to carry passengers, but my question stemmed from the use of the term "endorsed". I asked because usually a student is endorsed to fly solo versus a certified pilot that is checked out or signed off to fly a particular plane. Maybe there are people who say they're endorsed to fly planes when they've completed a check out flight or similar, but I'd never heard it used that way before - and if he were a student, he would need an instructor's sign-off to solo in a different plane make and model than he had a solo endorsement for.
 
Assuming the below is you, yes.

MELVIN MAJOROS

Airman opted-out of releasing address
Medical Information:
Medical Class: Third Medical Date: 3/2021
BasicMed Course Date: None BasicMed CMEC Date: None
Certificates
PRIVATE PILOT
Certificates Description

Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT
Date of Issue: 9/12/2021

Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND


Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
 
SkyChaser said:
It's rather obvious that students aren't allowed to carry passengers, but my question stemmed from the use of the term "endorsed". I asked because usually a student is endorsed to fly solo versus a certified pilot that is checked out or signed off to fly a particular plane. Maybe there are people who say they're endorsed to fly planes when they've completed a check out flight or similar, but I'd never heard it used that way before - and if he were a student, he would need an instructor's sign-off to solo in a different plane make and model than he had a solo endorsement for.
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Good point. I thought he was using "endorsed" in that sense. A student pilot asking about passenger currency was too out there. Maybe there's more to the question.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Assuming you aren't talking about student pilot solo endorsements, are you in a flying club? Most rental FBOs are going to want you to be checked out in a plane that you have not logged time in before they will rent it to you.
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My flying club will let me fly a plane that I'm not checked out in as long as it's with a CFI who has been checked out by the club to teach in that type of airplane. Is that different from how FBOs handle it?
 
Unless it's a 172 rg or a high performance 172 that I've never heard of...you don't need an endorsement...
 
If your. FI never covered this, you should go ask for a refund. This is basic stuff a CFI and a DPE should cover.
 
Palmpilot said:
wanttaja said:
Years ago, I bought half-interest in a Stinson 108. I was past my 90 day currency. Figured I'd kill two birds with one stone by having an instructor check me out in the aircraft. Insurance company nixed that, since I'd technically be PIC and thus couldn't carry a passenger...even if the passenger was a CFI providing a checkout. Flew the plane solo without a checkout.
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Wouldn't it have been possible to designate the CFI as the PIC?
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Maybe. Been taking BFRs as a Sport Pilot since 2005, always in Standard category aircraft, obviously couldn't have been PIC. Don't know what the insurance situation was. It was the insurance company itself that said they wouldn't cover my BFR in the Stinson.

After flying a Fly Baby for seven years, the Stinson was a breeze to fly. Hydraulic struts instead of a solid, non-sprung, rigid landing gear. Hardest part was all the systems it had that the Fly Baby didn't...multiple fuel tanks, mixture control, trim, transponder, radio, cabin doors, baggage doors, etc.

Ron Wanttaja
 
SkyChaser said:
Are you a student pilot still? If you are, I believe that you will need to get your instructor to endorse you for the 172. To answer your original question, though, both a 172 and a 152 are in the same class and category (airplane, single engine land), so the currency carries over.
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no not a student pilot. private pilot
 
Plano Pilot said:
Assuming the below is you, yes.

MELVIN MAJOROS

Airman opted-out of releasing address
Medical Information:
Medical Class: Third Medical Date: 3/2021
BasicMed Course Date: None BasicMed CMEC Date: None
Certificates
PRIVATE PILOT
Certificates Description

Certificate: PRIVATE PILOT
Date of Issue: 9/12/2021

Ratings:
PRIVATE PILOT
AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND


Limits:
ENGLISH PROFICIENT.
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yes this is me
 
TommyG said:
If your. FI never covered this, you should go ask for a refund. This is basic stuff a CFI and a DPE should cover.
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it was just a question bro lol. if i’m not sure of something i will ask. it has been a while since i’ve flown.
 
Melvin Majoros said:
it was just a question bro lol. if i’m not sure of something i will ask. it has been a while since i’ve flown.
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I have come across many pilots that their CFIs have failed them in teaching them to be knowledgeable pilots. So maybe your CFI didn’t cover this type of stuff, which he should have. Just saying.
 
TommyG said:
I have come across many pilots that their CFIs have failed them in teaching them to be knowledgeable pilots. So maybe your CFI didn’t cover this type of stuff, which he should have. Just saying.
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looking back i actually so think he covered it. it has been a while tho so i believe i just forgot that specific information. at least i got my answer here from you guys. thank you tho it is much appreciated
 
Melvin Majoros said:
looking back i actually so think he covered it. it has been a while tho so i believe i just forgot that specific information. at least i got my answer here from you guys. thank you tho it is much appreciated
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Good you got your answer. I'm curious what it was. Did you also learn why your question about being "endorsed" caused some confusion?
 
TommyG said:
I have come across many pilots that their CFIs have failed them in teaching them to be knowledgeable pilots. So maybe your CFI didn’t cover this type of stuff, which he should have. Just saying.
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Maybe, but "what does this allow you to fly?" would seem to be a basic "privileges and limitations" checkride question, no?
 
TommyG said:
I have come across many pilots that their CFIs have failed them in teaching them to be knowledgeable pilots. So maybe your CFI didn’t cover this type of stuff, which he should have. Just saying.
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Just because a pilot doesn’t know information doesn’t mean it wasn’t covered.
 
midlifeflyer said:
Good you got your answer. I'm curious what it was. Did you also learn why your question about being "endorsed" caused some confusion?
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I'm curious too. Presumably if he wasn't endorsed in the 172 (his words, not mine) then he likely wasn't checked out in it for insurance purposes. So I'm assuming that he was flying as a passenger and someone else acted as PIC while he manipulated the flight controls to log the three night take offs and landings.

It's legal, although if I hadn't flown in a year I'd probably want to be doing my night recurrency with a flight instructor.

Now I could be completely wrong and the OP just hopped in a 172 without a checkout and got night current. Again, it's legal, provided he had a current flight review, but even less recommended from a safety (and insurance) perspective.
 
Brad Z said:
I'm curious too. Presumably if he wasn't endorsed in the 172 (his words, not mine) then he likely wasn't checked out in it for insurance purposes. So I'm assuming that he was flying as a passenger and someone else acted as PIC while he manipulated the flight controls to log the three night take offs and landings.

It's legal, although if I hadn't flown in a year I'd probably want to be doing my night recurrency with a flight instructor.

Now I could be completely wrong and the OP just hopped in a 172 without a checkout and got night current. Again, it's legal, provided he had a current flight review, but even less recommended from a safety (and insurance) perspective.
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The only clear thing is that he didn't understand the aviation context of the word "endorsed." So any scenario we can come up with about what was meant is a guess, including my answer.
 
midlifeflyer said:
Good you got your answer. I'm curious what it was. Did you also learn why your question about being "endorsed" caused some confusion?
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yes it did cause confusion. what i meant by the word “endorsed” was logbook endorsement as i was training in the 172. but i realized that doesn’t apply once the private pilot certificate is received.
 
Melvin Majoros said:
yes it did cause confusion. what i meant by the word “endorsed” was logbook endorsement as i was training in the 172. but i realized that doesn’t apply once the private pilot certificate is received.
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Yes, as a student pilot you must be endorsed for each type of airplane you are gong to solo. Even as a private pilot, "endorse" is a bit broader than many treat it. Technically, every CFI line item signature in your logbook which shows training you received is an "endorsement," so one is not really that far off by using the term to mean having been checked out and authorized to fly the FBO's airplane. But most of us, when we think "endorsement" think about that group of special endorsements in 61.31 which are generally in the back of our logbooks, such as those for complex, high performance, tailwheel etc.
 
Palmpilot said:
My flying club will let me fly a plane that I'm not checked out in as long as it's with a CFI who has been checked out by the club to teach in that type of airplane. Is that different from how FBOs handle it?
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The two FBO/flight schools I have been associated with required that you get checked out with one of their CFIs. They also required a minimum of 25 hours of time in complex and HP before they would rent you a complex or HP for solo use.
 
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