Flying Club D&O insurance

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Hi folks,

Just wondering, for those of you in flying clubs, who do you use for Directors & Officers insurance, if you have it? They came back with a huge premium increase this year, so we're shopping around.
 
Hmm... never heard of such a product. What is it's purpose?
 
Our club uses Falcon insurance it covers all, members, directors, officers

As in, you have an aircraft policy that also does separate D&O?

Our aircraft policy covers everyone in the club as named insured, but it has its limits ($1M/$100K). The D&O is meant to supplement that.
 
Kent,

Having been recently elected to my club's board of directors, I had the same question. I asked it on AOPA's flying club facebook group, and got a few answers. You might want to search for that discussion.

As I recall, the opinion was pretty evenly split between those who had such coverage, and those who thought it was overkill.

Ultimately, my fellow directors didn't share my concerns, so we didn't pursue it.
 
Kent,

A few questions to see if I can guide you.
1. What did your former D&O policy cover?
Traditionally they cover such things as financial losses due to decisions made by the board. Liabilities incurred by the board for things such as breach of contract, improper firings of employees etc.

2. What do you want the policy to cover?
I'm suspecting that you want it to cover the directors in case of a suit due to one of the aircraft being involved in an accident.

3. Did your club aviation liability insurance agent also provide your D&O insurance?
 
Kent,

You might call these guys and let them shop around for you. Don't know if they can help but they've done a helluva job for me over the last 10+ years and all they do is aviation.

http://www.dsrockin.com/
 
Having been recently elected to my club's board of directors, I had the same question. I asked it on AOPA's flying club facebook group, and got a few answers. You might want to search for that discussion.

As I recall, the opinion was pretty evenly split between those who had such coverage, and those who thought it was overkill.

Ultimately, my fellow directors didn't share my concerns, so we didn't pursue it.

Thanks Brian, I'll look for that. I know our treasurer just asked there too.
 
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Kent,

A few questions to see if I can guide you.
1. What did your former D&O policy cover?

The other guys. I've got no big assets. :rofl:

(I really don't know for sure.)

2. What do you want the policy to cover?
I'm suspecting that you want it to cover the directors in case of a suit due to one of the aircraft being involved in an accident.

Yup.

3. Did your club aviation liability insurance agent also provide your D&O insurance?

Negative - We've got Avemco for the aviation policy, the D&O was through someone else, I'm not sure who.
 
the problem with aviation liability insurance is that it generally have very low policy and seat limits. Basic trauma level injuries will exhaust the per seat insurance coverage.

Thereafter, you then have liability issues- a carrier can tender its policy limit and walk away from the defense obligation any time it wants. That might be $100k for a someone with severe burns and millions of medicals costs.

E&O/D&O is designed to protect officers from liability in the event you negligently lend your airplane to someone - and every decent tort lawyer is going to have a count against the officers of a club for negligence, especially if you have insurance without an aviation exception. There is nothing juicier for lawyers than multiple coverages with a hard damage claim above policy limits since you will likely get most of you claim paid, and this most of your attorneys fee.

You have a pilot who flies 25 hours a year - most of it in summer. When he starts renting the airplane again in April . . . is he safe? He augers it in on a spin to final accident and voila, his passengers sue you for failing to properly supervise the aircraft and pilot and failing to insure competence before lending . .. . .

That is the purpose of D&O
 
D&O insurance also protects directors and officers in event of damage/injury unrelated to operation of the group's aircraft. AYA doesn't even own planes, but has this coverage in case someone is hurt flying their own plane during an AYA event (e.g., the Spot Landing contest), and sues the Board members saying they negligently failed to ensure safe operation. Or if someone on the Flour Bombing spotting team gets hit in the head by a flour bomb. Or the Pilot Familiarization Program Director is sued because someone has an accident after completing the program and feels the program wasn't properly constructed. And no doubt there are plenty of possibilities I have not mentioned and more I have not even thought of.
 
Thanks Tim... But if all they do is aviation, they likely don't do D&O insurance!

I called them and you're right. I thought maybe they would since it was aviation related and they do FBOs and some FBOs would probably have similar coverage.

Doug's going to check around though and see what he can find.
 
the legal system is so disgusting. I would want to stay away from being an officer in an aviation club.Without pay and all those torts, its just not worth it to be exposed to the risk of being sued. Even if you are doing everythig in your control and with good faith there's always going to be a stubborn weekend warrior that will eventually get into an accident and go against anyone they can ala the guy that went against flight designs.
 
Thereafter, you then have liability issues- a carrier can tender its policy limit and walk away from the defense obligation any time it wants. That might be $100k for a someone with severe burns and millions of medicals costs.

That's not necessarily true, and certainly not true in my state. The insurance company cannot just tender the policy limits and walk away. The duty to defend is broader than the duty to indemnify. If you had one claimaint, and the carrier offered its $100,000 limits, and the plaintiff rejects the offer, then the carrier still has to defend the claim. Obviously, with one claimaint, if the claim is settled for policy limits, then you, the insured, are golden.

Now, when their are multiple claimants, with limited coverage, it gets more complicated. There is an obligation to the insured to use reasonable care to adjust the claim, and to attempt to reduce the potential exposure as much as possible. So, if you have some big claims, the adjuster might reasonably settle out the claims that he can manage to get settled, exhausting the limits, even if that means there is nothing left to settle the remaining claims. But even so, there is probably a duty to still defend those claims. There might be an exception if the aggregate limits had been exhausted prior to the claim, rather than the per occurence limit. But the carrier isn't simply allowed when faced with an accident to just tender its per occurence limits and walk away with no concern for the insured.

And the carrier can't just interplead the funds and walk away either. That would buy them a big fat bad faith/negligent claims handling claim by their insured. The interpleader action only divies up the funds tendered by the carrier, but wouldn't result in a release of the insured. Thus, that action would be an egregious breach of the duty to the insured.
 
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the legal system is so disgusting. I would want to stay away from being an officer in an aviation club.Without pay and all those torts, its just not worth it to be exposed to the risk of being sued. Even if you are doing everythig in your control and with good faith there's always going to be a stubborn weekend warrior that will eventually get into an accident and go against anyone they can ala the guy that went against flight designs.
Anything can happen, but AYA, the Grumman owner's group, has been in business for some 40 years, and nobody's sued any of the directors or officers yet. Further, I've not heard of that happening to any major type club. And while it's probably happened with one or two badly run flying clubs, I've never heard of it. I'm certainly not losing any sleep over it despite 15 years as the AYA's Safety Director.
 
Home Owners Association decided to take over a neighborhood swim team that had been a separate entity (newly elected HOA board officer ran his own swim league of which his neighborhood swim team was not a member). HOA basically dissolved the swim team board, physically locked them out from the pool, and confiscated all swim team equipment (and joined the HOA board member's league). Swim team board sued, HOA countersued and named individuals on swim team board as individual defendants wrongly claiming board members had stolen swim team funds. Various lawyers for the swim team said they had a great case but after many months of court hearings, depositions and thousands of dollars out of their own pockets, swim team board caved in as the HOA lawyer did everything he could to drag the case out and run up swim team board legal bill while the HOA Board used homeowner funds to pay their lawyer. One HOA board member even resigned in disgust citing the dirty deal the HOA Board was doing to the swim team board members. Like airplane renters insurance, D&O insurance would have maybe leveled the legal playing field. This case illustrated to me that the legal system really does favor the side with the most money and not the side that is necessarily right.

Our glider club board has D&O insurance.
 
I know this is an old thread but our club is considering this insurance and I was hoping to see what others premiums are and who is underwriting. Any help greatly appreciated!!
 
Do you think you can get them covered under a professional liability policy?
 
Our club is actually a corporation.

There would have to be some major intentional items done in order to pierce the corporate veil to get at personal assets.

That being said, there may be some cost to keep it from happening.
 
Home Owners Association decided to take over a neighborhood swim team that had been a separate entity (newly elected HOA board officer ran his own swim league of which his neighborhood swim team was not a member). HOA basically dissolved the swim team board, physically locked them out from the pool, and confiscated all swim team equipment (and joined the HOA board member's league). Swim team board sued, HOA countersued and named individuals on swim team board as individual defendants wrongly claiming board members had stolen swim team funds. Various lawyers for the swim team said they had a great case but after many months of court hearings, depositions and thousands of dollars out of their own pockets, swim team board caved in as the HOA lawyer did everything he could to drag the case out and run up swim team board legal bill while the HOA Board used homeowner funds to pay their lawyer. One HOA board member even resigned in disgust citing the dirty deal the HOA Board was doing to the swim team board members. Like airplane renters insurance, D&O insurance would have maybe leveled the legal playing field. This case illustrated to me that the legal system really does favor the side with the most money and not the side that is necessarily right.

Our glider club board has D&O insurance.

Why the hell would anyone WANT to live under a HOA. Governments are bad enough, HOAs are like little kingdoms.
 
Our club is actually a corporation.

There would have to be some major intentional items done in order to pierce the corporate veil to get at personal assets.

That being said, there may be some cost to keep it from happening.

Ours is a corporation too... But we have it. Not sure it does us any good, but since two of our board members work for an insurance company, well, we're well-insured. ;)
 
No possible way I would ever be on the board of a flying club. To easy to argue that the boards decisions could have resulted in a loss of life. Everything from an engine past TBO to deferring a landing light out. Behind every mild mannered mid-life flier is a raging banshee wife that will sue until she can spend the rest of her life getting pedicures and eating dove bars.
 
the problem with aviation liability insurance is that it generally have very low policy and seat limits. Basic trauma level injuries will exhaust the per seat insurance coverage.

Thereafter, you then have liability issues- a carrier can tender its policy limit and walk away from the defense obligation any time it wants. That might be $100k for a someone with severe burns and millions of medicals costs.

E&O/D&O is designed to protect officers from liability in the event you negligently lend your airplane to someone - and every decent tort lawyer is going to have a count against the officers of a club for negligence, especially if you have insurance without an aviation exception. There is nothing juicier for lawyers than multiple coverages with a hard damage claim above policy limits since you will likely get most of you claim paid, and this most of your attorneys fee.

You have a pilot who flies 25 hours a year - most of it in summer. When he starts renting the airplane again in April . . . is he safe? He augers it in on a spin to final accident and voila, his passengers sue you for failing to properly supervise the aircraft and pilot and failing to insure competence before lending . .. . .

That is the purpose of D&O

Not as a rule, you have to check the state's laws on that.
 
Since our flying club is a shared ownership club, with each member having one voting share, we are all equal partners ... my understanding is that an officer of the club has no more responsibility or authority than any other, and the officer's responsibility is simply administrative. Hmmm, but now I wonder ... ???
 
Typically, D&O policies do not provide coverage for personal injury or death.
 
Our answer is that we don't. If officers want some kind of coverage, they get it themselves. An 1 mil umbrella from my normal agent, incl being a landlord and member of HOA board for about an extra $10/ mo.

The rule in insurance is that when you really don't want to keep insuring someone, you raise the premiums.
 
We are a corporation as well, aircraft are leased to the club (owners sit on the board). CYA is the philosophy right now.
 
Our answer is that we don't. If officers want some kind of coverage, they get it themselves. An 1 mil umbrella from my normal agent, incl being a landlord and member of HOA board for about an extra $10/ mo.

The rule in insurance is that when you really don't want to keep insuring someone, you raise the premiums.

Most umbrella policies exclude all aviation claims.
 
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