Driving to Canada but flying in Canada.

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I'm in NorthWest Ohio so getting to part of Canada is an hour drive (if the tunnel/bridge traffic isn't hideous)

So let's say I take my car up to Windsor along with my PP certificate and medical. I can get there with my little passport card. So I go up to "CYQG" (can't find alot of information since airnav doesn't do Canada airports) but I stop in to see Windsor from 2k ft. I'm okay with dragging a CFI along and not doing a checkout but you think I'd have any issues? Would I need to bring anything special?
 
Are you asking what you need to do to fly from the U.S. to Canada and back, or are you asking what you need to do to fly within Canada under a U.S. certificate?
 
You'd be a student pilot, flying with a CFI in Canada. You probably couldn't log PIC, but you could log the time just fine. Doesn't need to be an N-numbered aircraft, since you're not solo, nor PIC.
 
Without a Canadian pilot certificate you can't be PIC of a Canadian aircraft. I'm not sure what the student pilot rules are, but you could likely get a discoery flight/sight seeing flight/etc.

That said, if you go VFR with flight following you can fly over Canada to get your same aerial view and then fly home in a plane you are checked out in. So long as you don't land in Canada, no customs paperwork required. Probably easier than trying to fly a C-registered aircraft.
 
Don't know why anyone would want to. I imagine the parts of Canada that are accessible by car from Toledo look a great deal like northwestern Ohio from the air. I'd rather fly into northern Michigan. I've seen few places as beautiful from the air.
 
Friends want to go to the casino and shopping and I don't. But to not be a party pooper I'll go along for the weekend but there is only so much shopping/casino I'm interested in. So I thought I'd pop over to an airport and get a birds eye view of it. Sorry it doesn't interest everyone. The CFI there can deal with the Detroit airspace and not me. :)
 
Evidentally it's "not the same" :(
 
saracelica said:
Evidentally it's "not the same" :(
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It's more fun to gamble in an exotic location, like Canada? :D

I've been to a casino in Canada and it seemed pretty much the same to me. Of course I'm not a casino connoisseur.
 
Toledo does indeed. I wouldn't leave MY car in that parking lot there. It may not be there when I get back. :)
 
Call ahead to the FBO just in case they have the same sorts of rules about providing flight instruction to foreign nationals that the US has post-9/11.
 
steingar said:
Why go to Canada? We have one of those blasted things right here.
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I'd recommend the Toronto City Center to everyone at least once. It's the closest us "new" pilots get to a landing at Meigs (new == post Meigs field)
 
Windsor is SO close to Detroit, that perhaps you could rent there? Heck, Toledo is barely 30 miles away, isn't it?

I haven't been there in a while, but I remember it looking quite a lot like the Ohio Turnpike with some old lady (and a couple of, ahem, odd animals) on all the money. Heck, even Quebec looks like Ohio with French signs.

If you want to gamble in exotic locations, go to Europe or Japan. Or even Vegas (but that has a distinct amusement park feel to it these days). The flying around Vegas is spectacular, and it isn't at all hot this time of year.
 
I gambled once in the Windsor Casino. Actually, it is somewhat more accurate to say that my disabled stepfather gambled and I pushed his wheelchair (after a job interview no less, thanks Ma). Anyway, I honestly didn't see the big attraction, looked like every Casino I'd ever seen. Gaudy, flashy and noisy.

Then again, admittedly I might not be the best person to judge whether one casino is better than another. They put the one down here in a bad part of town, but I haven't heard about anyone's car jacked out of the lot. Then again, being Captain Clueless my not knowing about something doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot.
 
Got an email back from the place in Windsor

"Our rates are $125.00/hr for aircraft rentals and $65.00/hr for instructors. We are currently using Diamond DA20-C1 aircraft."

I guess I'll think about it for a little longer.
 
saracelica said:
Got an email back from the place in Windsor

"Our rates are $125.00/hr for aircraft rentals and $65.00/hr for instructors. We are currently using Diamond DA20-C1 aircraft."

I guess I'll think about it for a little longer.
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The instructor rates seem a bit high, but still, it is a heck of lot cheaper than an hour at the blackjack tables.
 
John221us said:
The instructor rates seem a bit high, but still, it is a heck of lot cheaper than an hour at the blackjack tables.
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Depends on who's doing the playing. Last time I sat a blackjack table I came out way ahead, enough to pay the maintenance on the aircraft for a year, and that was in 1990 dollars. That casino didn't give away drinks either. Probably should have, I'd have not won so much money a couple sheets to the wind.
 
John221us said:
The instructor rates seem a bit high, but still, it is a heck of lot cheaper than an hour at the blackjack tables.
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Well, then we'll get into the value of an instructor whose advice can literally save your life, as opposed to one who can only shave a few points off your golf game. Suddenly, $CA65/hr doesn't seem that expensive!
 
steingar said:
Depends on who's doing the playing. Last time I sat a blackjack table I came out way ahead, enough to pay the maintenance on the aircraft for a year, and that was in 1990 dollars. That casino didn't give away drinks either. Probably should have, I'd have not won so much money a couple sheets to the wind.
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I am guessing this wasn't at an Indian casino. The rules aren't nearly as loose, in my experience. The one by me; good luck finding a table less than $25 a hand and they don't let you resplit aces and you can only double on 9, 10 & 11. You can win, I suppose, on any given night, but the odds are most definitely with the house. I have certainly had good nights, but I have never sat down expecting to win money. I have read the counting strategies and I will loosely keep track of face cards and aces. I am guessing that if you really thought you could win that much every time you sat down, you would have a story that was more recent than 1990, though that sounds like it was a great night. ;)
 
gprellwitz said:
Well, then we'll get into the value of an instructor whose advice can literally save your life, as opposed to one who can only shave a few points off your golf game. Suddenly, $CA65/hr doesn't seem that expensive!
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Hey, I don't know the guy, he might certainly be worth every penny and at the end the day, it is only one flight we are talking about, so it makes very little difference (+-$15).
 
John221us said:
I am guessing this wasn't at an Indian casino. The rules aren't nearly as loose, in my experience. The one by me; good luck finding a table less than $25 a hand and they don't let you resplit aces and you can only double on 9, 10 & 11. You can win, I suppose, on any given night, but the odds are most definitely with the house. I have certainly had good nights, but I have never sat down expecting to win money. I have read the counting strategies and I will loosely keep track of face cards and aces. I am guessing that if you really thought you could win that much every time you sat down, you would have a story that was more recent than 1990, though that sounds like it was a great night. ;)
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This was in Vegas a long time ago at a casino owned by an idiot. Not only did they not keep me good and lubed with free alcohol (which, being a poor graduate student I would have happily accepted) but they dealt a full table off a single deck. Keeping running track of the odds was rather facile, even for a mathematically challenged individual like yours truly.

I've only been to that one and the one in Windsor, so I really know little about the beasts. I suppose I should go and blow some cash at the one here, just to say I did it.

The only other thing I can remember about Windsor is it had the highest crime rate in Canada because it was across the river from Detroit.
 
While we're in the general area; what's involved with renting a plane in, say, Detroit or Port Huron and flying into Canada? I have a lot of family in London, ON, and I usually fly into DTW when I visit.

I've thought about renting a plane instead of a car on the US side and then flying over.
 
roddie said:
While we're in the general area; what's involved with renting a plane in, say, Detroit or Port Huron and flying into Canada? I have a lot of family in London, ON, and I usually fly into DTW when I visit.

I've thought about renting a plane instead of a car on the US side and then flying over.
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The biggest barrier IMO would be the FBO renting to you authorizing you to land in Canada. Otherwise it's the usual cross border Canadian stuff. Need a full passport, the 'card' doesn't suffice for air travel; also the rental plane would need a CBP fee sticker when you come back. APIS, CANPASS, flight plan, squawk code, insurance to meet Canadian minimums for liability...
 
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