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NealRomeoGolf

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Does anybody have connections at the DOD that can approve a PCS exception so that I can move back into my house? Not asking for a friend.

The US Army is occupying my house. I want it back. Stupid virus.
 
Travel within the US isn't restricted for DoD civilians. However, if you're coming back from the Motherland, that can be a quarantine issue. And why is the Army in your house?
 
NealRomeoGolf said:
Does anybody have connections at the DOD that can approve a PCS exception so that I can move back into my house? Not asking for a friend.

The US Army is occupying my house. I want it back. Stupid virus.
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Let me guess; your tenant is Army and they’re PCS orders are stop move?

My wife works at the regional HQ unit that handles moves. Right now US Army isn’t moving anyone that isn’t mission essential. Next update is mid-June.
 
I don't see any provision that allows a DOD tenant to remain in the home past the expiration of the lease at the losing duty station just because of a stop movement to their PCS. The only guidance I've read about deals with the opposite scenario. aka When the DOD member enters into a rental agreement on the gaining (future) duty station but is forced to remain in place at the losing (current) station UFN because of the stop movement order. At that point, if a landlord were to get recalcitrant and refuse to void the newly signed lease, the law allows the losing unit commander to write a new PCS order for the member ordering him "back" to the current location he's stuck in. This would then satisfy the law in order for the member to legally break the lease at the duty station he cannot reach because of the stop movement order, since he now has an order in hand that orders him away from the location he can't reach.

In short, there's no issue here. The OP in this case is not being precluded by federal law in notifying the tenant of his need to vacate at the end of the lease. The DOD member has to unfortunately seek temporary housing arrangements in the local area until there comes a time when the Army lifts the stop movement to people in the affected member's category (PCS in this case).
 
I just don’t have the heart to kick them out. This isn’t their fault. Ugh.
 
TCABM said:
Let me guess; your tenant is Army and they’re PCS orders are stop move?

My wife works at the regional HQ unit that handles moves. Right now US Army isn’t moving anyone that isn’t mission essential. Next update is mid-June.
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Yes. We are moving back home from overseas (not military) and they don’t want to move into temporary housing to give us our house back.
 
Hope you get back in your home soon, keep us updated
edit: I graduated from Circle Campus in Chicago, spent 15 years in northern IL. Not a bad place to live when I was there. I left in 1976...:rolleyes:
 
NealRomeoGolf said:
I just don’t have the heart to kick them out. This isn’t their fault. Ugh.
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I think this is a reasonable attitude to have right now, at least if they have been good tenants for you. That said, it doesn't help you or your family of course.

The authority to approve case-by-case exceptions is the service member's first GOFO if my understanding of the restriction is correct. So the person/tree you would need to be barking up is very specific......likely some random one/two star somewhere I'd guess.
 
Again, that's all bass ackwards. There's no barking to be done. There's zero imperative for the landlord to extend the tenants. It's only the opposite (when the tenant wishes to break a contract early as a result of a PCS order) where the service member relief act kicks in.

The scenario at hand is strictly an issue between the member and the DOD. The member got severely inconvenienced by the stop movement order. That's not on the landlord, nor does the landlord in this instance have any imperative to advocate on behalf of the member to the chain of command.

Life happens, but that's what happens when you rent houses. I always rented apartments in order to avoid the hassle associated with the volatility of house landlords AND the nomadic nature of military service. The tenants understand the military reality. Landlord's come home and needs his house back. Contracts fulfilled Period dot, pack your stuff and go to an extended stay. Or go rent another house for that short a time and roll the bones if apartment living is somehow beneath you. Go address your grievance with your chain of command, but leave the landlord out of it, he's no dog in this fight, and to portray him as an aggrieving party is complete BS.
 
hindsight2020 said:
Again, that's all bass ackwards. There's no barking to be done. There's zero imperative for the landlord to extend the tenants. It's only the opposite (when the tenant wishes to break a contract early as a result of a PCS order) where the service member relief act kicks in.

The scenario at hand is strictly an issue between the member and the DOD. The member got severely inconvenienced by the stop movement order. That's not on the landlord, nor does the landlord in this instance have any imperative to advocate on behalf of the member to the chain of command.

Life happens, but that's what happens when you rent houses. I always rented apartments in order to avoid the hassle associated with the volatility of house landlords AND the nomadic nature of military service. The tenants understand the military reality. Landlord's come home and needs his house back. Contracts fulfilled Period dot, pack your stuff and go to an extended stay. Or go rent another house for that short a time and roll the bones if apartment living is somehow beneath you. Go address your grievance with your chain of command, but leave the landlord out of it, he's no dog in this fight, and to portray him as an aggrieving party is complete BS.
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Jeez. That wasn't the intent of my comment at all. My point was that if he really wanted to try and fight an uphill battle, he would have to find some rando, and then probably get nowhere. Probably too much reading between the lines required reading my post, my bad. But I do think it is kind to take the mindset the OP is taking. You are correct, tell them to GTFO if you need to. The burden lies on the mil to make it happen for that service member/family in terms of where they go next. We have plenty of avenues of reimbursement for such an inconvenienced service member. FWIW, I both owned and rented when I was active, and I never really found renting a house to be a big deal.
 
If they put it in storage are they on their own to pack and store? Will they get reimbursed later if they do so?
 
NealRomeoGolf said:
If they put it in storage are they on their own to pack and store? Will they get reimbursed later if they do so?
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I'm not sure what standard finance policies have changed amidst this situation, but in the past, they would have been paid a normal paycheck (including BAH, i.e. the flat housing pay) and it would be up to them to make financial decisions to make it work. In other words, within the bounds of their pay, they could decide what is most cost effective. Once a PCS move has been initiated, yes, temporary storage of household goods is specifically paid for. Unless there is some change to normal business rules from all of this, they keep getting their normal paycheck and can do what they like with it prior to the move. The move reimbursements (several things) don't apply until the move begins......so at least under standard rules, things like storage and lodging wouldn't count until day 1 of the actual move generally.
 
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NealRomeoGolf said:
If they put it in storage are they on their own to pack and store? Will they get reimbursed later if they do so?
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Yes and no, in that order, unless they have valid orders in hand or are electing to accept on post housing.
 
NealRomeoGolf said:
Does anybody have connections at the DOD that can approve a PCS exception so that I can move back into my house? Not asking for a friend.

The US Army is occupying my house. I want it back. Stupid virus.
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If it makes you feel any better, my wife has a major general working for her as a regular med provider on the ER floor because of difficulty getting ETS orders cut. If a 2 star can’t get the waivers pushed, your tenants are probably SOL for now.
 
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