Disgusting [N/A]

astanley said:
http://www.boston.com/

Click "Protestors mar funeral of Mass. solider".

The Westboro Baptist Church, at it again...

-Andrew
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It's just started, 10 years from now they will be calling our returning troops baby killers.

BTDT, didn't like it
 
sigh....

anyone notice the godhatesfags.com shirt? These people are just tasteless, and display the lack of intelligence that causes other countries to call us all "Stupid Americans."

May God have mercy on their souls.
 
Those folks are based in Topeka, KS and used to be a local nuisance and embarrassment, especially at funerals. I think many people ended up getting preemptive restraining orders to keep them away and I haven't heard much from them lately. Now I see they have branched out nationally.

Another case where the First Amendment is used 'offensively' rather than defensively. (Yes, the pun was intended.)

Dopes.
 
Matthew said:
Dopes.
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My wife has a way of saying "that big stupidhead" in a way that is far more insulting than any amount of profanity could induce -- and that's saying something since she grew up as a Navy brat. "Dopes" works the same way.
 
Matthew said:
Those folks are based in Topeka, KS and used to be a local nuisance and embarrassment, especially at funerals. I think many people ended up getting preemptive restraining orders to keep them away and I haven't heard much from them lately. Now I see they have branched out nationally.



Makes you ashamed to admit you live in Kansas, wish the so called Rev. would move his operation to Iraq then maybe a suicide bomber would take care of him.
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jbelew said:
Matthew said:
Those folks are based in Topeka, KS and used to be a local nuisance and embarrassment, especially at funerals. I think many people ended up getting preemptive restraining orders to keep them away and I haven't heard much from them lately. Now I see they have branched out nationally.



Makes you ashamed to admit you live in Kansas, wish the so called Rev. would move his operation to Iraq then maybe a suicide bomber would take care of him.
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You want him to die? Sounds to me you are espousing the same exact sentiment as he.
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Disgusting, and in poor taste at best.

What does their God think of them desecrating the memory of a fallen soldier who died in the service of his country? Surely that God is not my God.
 
Richard said:
jbelew said:
You want him to die? Sounds to me you are espousing the same exact sentiment as he.
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Wouldn't bother me any. The world has about 5 billion more people than it can comfortably sustain, their loss wouldn't hurt.
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NC19143 said:
It's just started, 10 years from now they will be calling our returning troops baby killers.

BTDT, didn't like it
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THAT IS JUST BULL. Those of us who did not support the war have gone out of our way to show support and admiration for our troops PERIOD.

But THESE ARE NOT ANTI WAR PROTESTERS. They are anti Gay religious extremest. They have reached a new low. This is pure evil.

I can't tell you how angry this makes me. I can't even write anymore.
 
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corjulo said:
THAT IS JUST BULL. Those of us who did not support the war have gone out of our way to show support and admiration for our troops PERIOD.

But THESE ARE NOT ANTI WAR PROTESTERS. They are anti Gay religious extremest. They have reached a new low. This is pure evil.

I can't tell you how angry this makes me. I can't even write anymore.
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Those of you who did not support the war feed groups like this.

As for support and admiration, I'm still waiting for the liberal outcry over one of your own, a respected Senator, calling our troops Nazis.

On the off chance that you are sincere, maybe now you understand some of the anger I feel toward those of you who have been so consistently undermining our war effort.
 
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wsuffa said:
Joe, with all due respect, I don't think this picketing had anything to do with the war.

I think that the group involved would, in fact, say it hates liberals....

See this link: http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/jun2005/20050626_christopher-piper-funeral.pdf
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We disagree. On both counts. That's all I'm going to say in this thread. No doubt, my two posts in this thread will generate hate mail from this "civilized" crowd. Tough noogies.

Liberals have been feeding crap just like this for 30 years now. The bigots here will, in fact already are starting, spin this into somehow being the fault of religion and Christianity, instead of facing up to the fact that these people are only saying what their own leaders in the House and Senate are saying.
 
Joe Williams said:
Those of you who did not support the war feed groups like this.

As for support and admiration, I'm still waiting for the liberal outcry over one of your own, a respected Senator, calling our troops Nazis.
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Common Joe, don't be so hard on Chuck Hagel and Lindsay Graham.
 
corjulo said:
Common Joe, don't be so hard on Chuck Hagel and Lindsay Graham.
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Well, actually Dick Durbin is NOT a respected Senator. I know it's just a technicality, though....
 
corjulo said:
Come on Joe, don't be so hard on Chuck Hagel and Lindsay Graham.
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Funny Dan. I find it sad that Durbin, Patty Murray, Boxer, et.al., fail to see the reality that by undermining the war effort in the administration they only embolden the insurgency to do more. And as the insurgency does more, we are forced to do more to fufill the mission and THEN leave Iraq in some state of a stable country with a functioning government.

If, and I do mean IF, the anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-US crowd would stuff a sock in their pieholes for some given period - 30 days, 60 days, 90 days....and let the DoD do their jobs without criticism, I think the war could wrap up much more quickly and the troops would be home that much more quickly.

It kinda dismayed me that the Durbin and the dems would even make the remark and then not fully apologise for it. A repub would never get by with that, would they? Impeach a repub and praise a dem for the same comments.

I think if I were still on Active Duty, I would be more scared than with Clinton in charge. At least then you KNEW that you were not welcome or respected in DC and got sent on missions with no support, no goal, no logic, rhyme or reason. The military seemed to be Clinton's tool for making the people look the other way. Now the Executive branch seems to care, but the legislative branch is killing the troops, just as surely as an IED or B40, by their ignorant comments.

One thing is certain about free speech - It makes it infintely easier to pick the stupid and ignorant out of the crowd. Durbin, Patty Murray, Boxer, Pelosi, Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Al Gore, John Edwards, and of course the Democrats' war hero John Kerry.

Yes there are republican idiots too, but they just don't seem to proliferate as well as the dem versions. Maybe that could be a dem recruiting tool - "Vote Democrat and get laid!"
 
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bbchien said:
Well, actually Dick Durbin is NOT a respected Senator. I know it's just a technicality, though....
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Good one Doc. But I bet you every time he looks in the mirror he says "I respect you Mr. Senator.":rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
F.W. Birdman said:
Funny Dan. I find it sad that Durbin, Patty Murray, Boxer, et.al., fail to see the reality that by undermining the war effort in the administration they only embolden the insurgency to do more. And as the insurgency does more, we are forced to do more to fufill the mission and THEN leave Iraq in some state of a stable country with a functioning government.

If, and I do mean IF, the anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-US crowd would stuff a sock in their pieholes for some given period - 30 days, 60 days, 90 days....and let the DoD do their jobs without criticism, I think the war could wrap up much more quickly and the troops would be home that much more quickly.

It kinda dismayed me that the Durbin and the dems would even make the remark and then not fully apologise for it. A repub would never get by with that, would they? Impeach a repub and praise a dem for the same comments.

I think if I were still on Active Duty, I would be more scared than with Clinton in charge. At least then you KNEW that you were not welcome or respected in DC and got sent on missions with no support, no goal, no logic, rhyme or reason. The military seemed to be Clinton's tool for making the people look the other way. Now the Executive branch seems to care, but the legislative branch is killing the troops, just as surely as an IED or B40, by their ignorant comments.

One thing is certain about free speech - It makes it infintely easier to pick the stupid and ignorant out of the crowd. Durbin, Patty Murray, Boxer, Pelosi, Michael Moore, Howard Dean, Al Gore, John Edwards, and of course the Democrats' war hero John Kerry.

Yes there are republican idiots too, but they just don't seem to proliferate as well as the dem versions. Maybe that could be a dem recruiting tool - "Vote Democrat and get laid!"
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With all do respect I think this is completely wrong. The anti war "movement" is non existent. The public knows this. What criticism there has been about the way the troop where sent to Iraq, the lack of armer, the rosy predictions and fixed intelligence has had no effect what so ever on the insurgence. To think otherwise denies the history of the middle east. Their motivation is Pan Arab, it sectarian, it tribal. Further more, this continued insistence on the part of the administration to blame the media or democrats, instead of its own flawed policy, only digs a deeper hole. Hagel and Graham realize this.Things are not going well at all. For all practical purposes Iraq is in a civil sectarian war. The administration and Iraq war supporters are desperate for someone to blame. Without a vocal anti war movement they demonize anyone they can. Looks to me like the public aint buying it. So what now, blame the public?

I do have a question for you. Why haven't the ardent supporters of the war made public pleas for their supporters to enlist? We know the army has missed recruiting goals. So why hasn't Cheney, or Rove made a plea for their young supporters to join up? I'm serious. Why? I watched every sunday interview show this week and nothin.

And, you say the republicans would never get by with a "Durban" remarks. Did you read what Rove said in New York? Last time I checked 30% of our armed service members voted for John kerry, yet Rove had no trouble using 9/11 to insult them. I forgot, what branch of the service did Rove serve in?
 
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And Birdman

If Durban remarks were so dangerous to our troops why did the republicans produce a commercial featuring those remarks. Why did they post the commercial on the GOP web site for millions of Insurgents to read? You say Clinton had no respect for the military. Let me tell you something, this group of crooks and liar could care less about the troops. It's criminal.
 
I tend to think the "anti-war" movement is quieter this time around - lessons learned... and it's being played out by the silence in the recruiting offices rather than in huge marches in the streets.

I do hear though the Pentagon is culling/updating their address lists to make sure they have the correct targets, targeted (i/e males b/w the ages of 18-25)
 
corjulo said:
I can't tell you how angry this makes me. I can't even write anymore.
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I whole heartedly agree, but protesting a solders funeral is anti war protest in any flavor you want to give it.

And the longer this war drags on, the more of it you will see.

I don't like it any more than you, but this is what happens.

And that is not "JUST BULL" because the American public does not have the stomach for a long drawn out war.
 
F.W. Birdman said:
Disgusting, and in poor taste at best.

What does their God think of them desecrating the memory of a fallen soldier who died in the service of his country? Surely that God is not my God.
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Thank you, KP. That is the real point.

Political free speech is guaranteed by the constitution, no matter how distasteful it is. But what's legal and what's acceptable are two different things, and I do not consider it acceptable to dishonor someone who fell serving his country.
 
wsuffa said:
Joe, with all due respect, I don't think this picketing had anything to do with the war.
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I agree. I think it had more to do with the television cameras that were present than the fact that it was a soldier's funeral.
 
corjulo said:
Let me tell you something, this group of crooks and liar could care less about the troops. It's criminal.
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What evidence do you have of that? What moveon.org says?

If you can provide no proof that "they" are crooks, and I'll bet you can provide no proof (only accusations), then you yourself are guilty of spreading lies...
 
RotaryWingBob said:
What evidence do you have of that? What moveon.org says?

If you can provide no proof that "they" are crooks, and I'll bet you can provide no proof (only accusations), then you yourself are guilty of spreading lies...
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$8 billions missing from the coalition authority, The Downing street memo, horrendous neurological injuries and death because of a lack of armored vehicles, Karl Rove still using 9/11 and the war as a crass wedge issue, Stop Gap, low level national guard taking the fall for scandals.........
Pick one and hold a hearing. Oh, but we only hold hearings when sex is involved, not wars.
 
RotaryWingBob said:
Thank you, KP. That is the real point.

Political free speech is guaranteed by the constitution, no matter how distasteful it is. But what's legal and what's acceptable are two different things, and I do not consider it acceptable to dishonor someone who fell serving his country.
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It's the parent I feel for. This is brutal harassment. I mean the soldier wasn't even gay. And these people are NOT anti war protesters. They love the war. What did one of the sign say, "thank god for road side bombs".

These are the absolute extreme right. Don't try and pin these knuckle dragger on we Democrats. We have are own crazies, but these are not them.

And this KIA was from Afghanistan. A war still supported by the vast majority of Americans, including me. We have a funeral in Connecticut this week. I would like to know if these animals are going to show up.
 
corjulo said:
These are the absolute extreme right. Don't try and pin these knuckle dragger on we Democrats. We have are own crazies, but these are not them.
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In the political curve, the absolute extremes often fail to realise that they bend so far around that they meet in the middle.

When it comes to fanatics like this, it doesn't matter whether they claim to be left or right - they're the enemies of effective political debate and it does no credit to either side when that side tries to blame the other side for the action of the fringe whacko's.
 
corjulo said:
And, you say the republicans would never get by with a "Durban" remarks. Did you read what Rove said in New York?
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And Rove was absolutely correct. Liberals started wringing their hands and we conservatives prepared for reality - war. Sorry if the truth hurts. I look at who started complaining first and knew that he had hit a nerve. Durban was wrong, Rove correct.
 
Greebo said:
In the political curve, the absolute extremes often fail to realise that they bend so far around that they meet in the middle.
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The Haeberle Curve. Sounds like the makings of a theory. You should be a political scientist. :yes:
 
corjulo said:
The Haeberle Curve. Sounds like the makings of a theory. You should be a political scientist. :yes:
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I was thinking of calling it the Political Donut theory.

Mmmmm....dooonuuut! *drool*
 
Ken Ibold said:
I agree. I think it had more to do with the television cameras that were present than the fact that it was a soldier's funeral.
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This is the second time they've been around in a month.

Last time, they protested a local Catholic church (Pope in Hell, Fag Priests were the popular signs), an elementary school (where they had a Gay Awareness day or similar), and a high school graduation (where a gay couple went to the high school prom).

They've been around before, they'll be back again... with an equally hateful, disgusting message. Sad.

-Andrew
 
Ghery said:
And Rove was absolutely correct. Liberals started wringing their hands and we conservatives prepared for reality - war. Sorry if the truth hurts. I look at who started complaining first and knew that he had hit a nerve. Durban was wrong, Rove correct.
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How exactly did liberal start wringing their hands, Be specifics? And because Hillary Clinton is the queen bee of the liberal cause please include her in your exambles.

I would have thought after the USS Cole, and the Aug. 2001 PDB saying "Bin Laden determined to attack US" you guys would have started planning for War then. The only thing Karl Rove has ever been interested in is how to exploit 9/11 to his political advantage.

Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.

I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.
 
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NC19143 said:
I whole heartedly agree, but protesting a solders funeral is anti war protest in any flavor you want to give it.

And the longer this war drags on, the more of it you will see.

I don't like it any more than you, but this is what happens.

And that is not "JUST BULL" because the American public does not have the stomach for a long drawn out war.
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But NC19143 , you missed the point of these guys, they love the war. They believe this is god's punishes for gays. This is so twisted as to be crazy
 
corjulo said:
Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.
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No, it does NOT.

Did victory mean "Exit Strategy" in WWI or WWII? NO. It meant STICKING IT OUT UNTIL THE JOB WAS DONE.

When Germany and Japan surrendered, we didn't just haul ass out of there - we had to stick around to help them rebuild - although in that case we were helping their governments rebuild.

In Iraq's case, we are helping them CREATE a new government.

VICTORY in Iraq means they HAVE a new, democratically modeled government, and are able to be self-sufficient in governmental tasks.

It doesn't mean taking down the existing regime and getting the hell out of dodge.

I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.
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When they're finished.

Any other answer would be an attempt at reading tea-leaves.

Look, I disagreed totally with going into Iraq. I was opposed to the US being a "first strike" nation, and think the Bush Administration *wanted* the excuse to go into Iraq.

But the time for my opposition to going into Iraq came and went when we actually invaded. Now we're there, and we have an obligation - to the Iraqui people - to STAY there until the job is done and NOT LEAVE ONE DAY BEFORE.

Progress is being made. We have to stay the course now that we're there. If we left now, we'd be guiltier of a far worse atrocity than being a first strike nation and taking down a ruthless dictator guilty of mass crimes against humanity. We'd be guilty of creating the perfect scenario for another one to take power.
 
Oh

I'm sorry

I forgot to put the quotes around those last comment, they weren't mine, they where another guys, criticized President Clinton for not setting a timetable for exiting Kosovo.


George W. Bush, 4/9/99:

“Victory means exit strategy, and it’s important for the president to explain to us what the exit strategy is.”

George W. Bush, 6/5/99

“I think it’s also important for the president to lay out a timetable as to how long they will be involved and when they will be withdrawn.”



And, for the record I agree with you, we're there we need to stabilize it. I just have no faith in these guys to do it.
 
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