Coronavirus hysteria is hurting every one.

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KMCI (Kansas City International Airport) reported yesterday that hand sanitizer dispensers have been stolen. These are the kind of dispensers that are wall mounted and have a bag inside. They've been yanked off the walls. It hasn't happened in all areas, but it's happened in enough that they are looking at surveillance video. Because there aren't any bottle dispensers available, and they'll probably be stolen anyway, the wall dispensers will be replaced in a few months.
 
Sluggo63 said:
I was just talking about this the yesterday. I wonder if the prevalence of the younger crowd to be vaping at a high rate here in the US is going to affect their outcomes if they contract this virus.
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“It's true that you can't save people from themselves. But then again EvolutionInAction is no argument against medical intervention ...

When I see people (often teenagers, but not always) doing things which can only be described as stupid and dangerous, I just remember a line a friend used once: Just think of it as evolution in action. -- KeithDerrick”
 
Drove back to OH from my winter location in CO this past weekend. To my eyes, traffic from Steamboat Springs to Dayton was comparable (including the major cities like Denver, KC St Louis, etc.) to all the other years I’ve made the trip.

Since there was nothing to do in CO, mountain closed on 15 Mar and all dining and bars closed, I figured doing nothing at home in OH was preferable.

Cheers
 
X3 Skier said:
Drove back to OH from my winter location in CO this past weekend. To my eyes, traffic from Steamboat Springs to Dayton was comparable (including the major cities like Denver, KC St Louis, etc.) to all the other years I’ve made the trip.

Since there was nothing to do in CO, mountain closed on 15 Mar and all dining and bars closed, I figured doing nothing at home in OH was preferable.

Cheers
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And cheaper.
 
X3 Skier said:
Since there was nothing to do in CO, mountain closed on 15 Mar and all dining and bars closed, I figured doing nothing at home in OH was preferable.
Cheers
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That is because there is nothing to do in OH.

Tim (flame suite on)
 
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tspear said:
That is because there is nothing to do in OH.

Tim
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I worked for extended periods in the Cleveland area, Columbus, Zanesville, and Steubenville...what you said couldn't be farther from the truth. I loved working in that state...and the work ethic is far above average...
 
murphey said:
“It's true that you can't save people from themselves. But then again EvolutionInAction is no argument against medical intervention ...

When I see people (often teenagers, but not always) doing things which can only be described as stupid and dangerous, I just remember a line a friend used once: Just think of it as evolution in action. -- KeithDerrick”
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Used to be called Darwin In Action...
 
timwinters said:
I worked for extended periods in the Cleveland area, Columbus, Zanesville, and Steubenville...what you said couldn't be farther from the truth. I loved working in that state...and the work ethic is far above average...
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lmao. I forgot to put (flame suite on) on the signature line. I have had a lot of good times in OH; either driving, flying through or visiting customers.

Tim
 
bbchien said:
I'd post this but it'd bust copyright rules. Basically the two Stanford epidemiologists are saying, "stop looing in the barn for infected cows, there are 20 of them that have left for each one inside the barn". That would mean, NYC is not 1:1000 pos, it's 1:40. The peak is closer than we think.

We'll see.....
https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464
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I can't read that article...yet...so I'll take a guess as to what it's about.

What's another virus that has essentially infected the whole industrialized world as thoroughly and quickly as this one? Or is this actually "normal" for any virus?

And if it's 1:40 vs 1:1000 that's a big difference.

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I found a reference to that article that's not behind a paywall:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...claim-more-data-needed-to-know-mortality-rate
 
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bbchien said:
I'd post this but it'd bust copyright rules. Basically the two Stanford epidemiologists are saying, "stop looing in the barn for infected cows, there are 20 of them that have left for each one inside the barn". That would mean, NYC is not 1:1000 pos, it's 1:40. The peak is closer than we think.

We'll see.....
https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464
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They talk about the estimated fatality rate as a motivation for lockdowns, but they don't mention the consequences of overloading treatment facilities. At the conclusion they talk about evaluating the empirical basis for the lockdowns. Although they don't say so explicitly, I assume that they recognize the need for more widespread testing in order to provide that empirical basis.
 
Just a reminder...this is a variant of the cold virus. Odds are, we're all/most going to get this eventually. We're just trying to even out the demand for hospital space, remember?
 
Interesting statement from the U.K. Government.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

The need to have a national, coordinated response remains, but this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response.

Cases of COVID-19 are no longer managed by HCID treatment centres only. All healthcare workers managing possible and confirmed cases should follow the updated national infection and prevention (IPC) guidance for COVID-19, which supersedes all previous IPC guidance for COVID-19. This guidance includes instructions about different personal protective equipment (PPE) ensembles that are appropriate for different clinical scenarios.

Cheers
 
Palmpilot said:
They talk about the estimated fatality rate as a motivation for lockdowns, but they don't mention the consequences of overloading treatment facilities. At the conclusion they talk about evaluating the empirical basis for the lockdowns. Although they don't say so explicitly, I assume that they recognize the need for more widespread testing in order to provide that empirical basis.
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Actually, that's all I read and hear locally; the mortality rate may be 1% or may be 10%, but if a large percent of those who get it require critical care, some are going to die who may have lived. And many here seriously downplayed what was happening. I saw the numbers early and was dumbstruck. A bug with a low true mortality rate of 1%, but that infects 50% of 330 million US citizens because people are stupid, will many kill many times more than WWII, Vietnam, the neverending mid-east stuff, and 9/11. Combined.
At least in some areas, they got a lid on it fairly quickly.
 
X3 Skier said:
Interesting statement from the U.K. Government.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/high-consequence-infectious-diseases-hcid

Status of COVID-19
As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK.

The 4 nations public health HCID group made an interim recommendation in January 2020 to classify COVID-19 as an HCID. This was based on consideration of the UK HCID criteria about the virus and the disease with information available during the early stages of the outbreak. Now that more is known about COVID-19, the public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall), and there is now greater clinical awareness and a specific and sensitive laboratory test, the availability of which continues to increase.

The Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens (ACDP) is also of the opinion that COVID-19 should no longer be classified as an HCID.

The need to have a national, coordinated response remains, but this is being met by the government’s COVID-19 response.

Cases of COVID-19 are no longer managed by HCID treatment centres only. All healthcare workers managing possible and confirmed cases should follow the updated national infection and prevention (IPC) guidance for COVID-19, which supersedes all previous IPC guidance for COVID-19. This guidance includes instructions about different personal protective equipment (PPE) ensembles that are appropriate for different clinical scenarios.
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That is interesting... But I wonder, given that they still say it needs a "national, coordinated response" and that the cases are "no longer managed by HCID centres only" if it's merely a procedural move meant to open up more of their medical facilities to treat cases.
 
Kansas went into a statewide stay home mode starting Monday, until 19 Apr. The KC 4-county area (2 counties in KS and 2 in MO) have been under this already since Tuesday of this week for 30 days. About 12 KS counties had already put stay home rules into effect that the Governor figured it made more sense if she put the whole state on shut down for consistency.
 
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Right across from my house, there are about 20 people enjoying their time in very close proximity inside a 2 car garage.... drinking and singing and all.

Some morons will be morons
 
Kenny Phillips said:
Actually, that's all I read and hear locally; the mortality rate may be 1% or may be 10%, but if a large percent of those who get it require critical care, some are going to die who may have lived. And many here seriously downplayed what was happening. I saw the numbers early and was dumbstruck. A bug with a low true mortality rate of 1%, but that infects 50% of 330 million US citizens because people are stupid, will many kill many times more than WWII, Vietnam, the neverending mid-east stuff, and 9/11. Combined.
At least in some areas, they got a lid on it fairly quickly.
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Another way to look at the numbers is that if this thing kills 1% of the population...

WWII killed 3%.
(Including an embedded genocide.)

WWII dragged it out over half a decade -ish.

This’ll do it in months if not slowed.

Exponents suck.
 
What's the life expectancy of a virus on a high UV day with 40 mph winds and 70 deg temps?

Kids are out riding bikes and skateboards. Even the ice cream truck came around today.
 
Matthew said:
What's the life expectancy of a virus on a high UV day with 40 mph winds and 70 deg temps?

Kids are out riding bikes and skateboards. Even the ice cream truck came around today.
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Most data shows this one breaks down at 130F with unknown degradation speed of the shell structure at temps below that.

70F likely doesn’t do jack to it. That’s room temperature. Well by “jack” the estimates run about 9 days on hard surfaces.

Nobody knows yet on UV.

Signs of RNA still on surfaces 19 days later in the cruise ships but that’s not necessarily a viable virus structure. Just the material.

It’s a tenacious little bugger.
 
Matthew said:
Kansas went into a statewide stay home mode starting Monday, until 19
Apr. The KC 4-county area (2 counties in KS and 2 in MO) have been under this already since Tuesday of this week for 30 days. About 12 KS counties had already put stay home rules into effect that the Governor figured it made more sense if she put the whole state on shut down for consistency.
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Yeah, the virus is bad enough to invoke a "Stay home" EO. However, it must not bad enough that the EO can afford to be delayed for almost 36 hours from the time it was announced before it becomes effective across the state.
 
Not a real good picture of a "bending curve" in the US.
 

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bbchien said:
I'd post this but it'd bust copyright rules. Basically the two Stanford epidemiologists are saying, "stop looing in the barn for infected cows, there are 20 of them that have left for each one inside the barn". That would mean, NYC is not 1:1000 pos, it's 1:40. The peak is closer than we think.

We'll see.....
https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-coronavirus-as-deadly-as-they-say-11585088464
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Washington Post is a paid subscription, but has put the covid-19 material outside the paywall. Shame WSJ hasn't done the same.
 
murphey said:
Washington Post is a paid subscription, but has put the covid-19 material outside the paywall. Shame WSJ hasn't done the same.
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It's weird that I didn't run into the paywall when I opened the link yesterday, but I did today. :dunno:
 
Matthew said:
I would like to see that chart showing numbers per million
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WTH difference does that make. There's no minimizing the fact that if this growth rate continues three weeks, five weeks, three months you're talking about hundreds of thousands if not millions of people.

STF home.
 
I’d like to see the overall death rate this year overlaid on death rates from previous years. But I bet that wouldn’t be as exciting.
 
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bflynn said:
Just a reminder...this is a variant of the cold virus. Odds are, we're all/most going to get this eventually. We're just trying to even out the demand for hospital space, remember?
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Ummm.... but so is MERS-Cov (another coronavirus) which kills 35% of the people it infects. Want to catch that cold?
 
Palmpilot said:
I hope this new test works as advertised:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/fda-...9-pointofcare-test-from-abbott-234449283.html
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Here are a couple more articles on the new test. It sounds like it could go a long way toward giving us the data needed to really get a handle on this virus. The article linked in my previous post says that Abbott will be able to provide 50,000 tests by April 1, and will be able to provide one million per month after that.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/27/a...ab-and-can-produce-results-in-just-5-minutes/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...minute-covid-19-test-for-use-almost-anywhere/
 
This is an interesting article on the effect of social distancing during the 1918 flu pandemic. It has graphs that show what happened in a number of cities after restrictions were lifted. In some cases, the restrictions had to be reinstituted for a while.

The article requires giving them an email address, but you could create a temporary one if that is a concern.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/
 
A nursing home on the other side of my little town just got hit. 66 cases confirmed, 11 in intensive care at hospital overnight. Most of the rest aren't looking good. It's all fun and games until somebody's Granny gets sick.

This thing is real, people.
 
Chip Sylverne said:
A nursing home on the other side of my little town just got hit. 66 cases confirmed, 11 in intensive care at hospital overnight. Most of the rest aren't looking good. It's all fun and games until somebody's Granny gets sick.

This thing is real, people.
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I found out that a relative who was in a rehab facility tested positive for COVID-19 and died. Granted, she was probably around 80 and had another serious condition. When the family found out that another patient had tested positive, they took her out, and a daughter who is a nurse cared for her at home. Daughter tested positive too, so when her mother was admitted to a hospital, the daughter couldn't be with her. Luckily one of her sisters was able to be there.
 
Chip Sylverne said:
This thing is real, people.
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One of my friends, a retired Continental Airlines captain living in Palm Springs, has been hospitalized in the Desert Regional Medical Center with COVID-19 infection. He's now in ICU on a ventilator in an induced coma. The prognosis is bad as his heart is getting weak from lack of oxygen. He's 72 and has always been the picture of health.

Another friend, a retired Alaska Airlines captain living in Palm Springs, has tested positive.

It's not fake news and it's not a hoax, folks.
 
It’s never been a hoax and nobody except CNN ever said that.

For those with comorbidities, including age, this is really dangerous. The only way to stop it is to shut down all commerce and in the process destroy the economy of the US.

There are vaccines under development, but I keep hearing the FDA say that it will take 18-24 months to walk these things through clinical trials. It seems the tweezer heads don’t realize that that we are in an emergency and we need to just skip to the part where we test it on people. A lot more people are going to die in 24 months than will die from a vaccine.
 
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