Recently at KBED, I received the instruction “Line up and wait 23, traffic is a warrior on a right base for a 2.5 mile final”. Question is, if only 23 was active at the time, why is traffic on a right base a concern for me? Surely, tower would want a no-delay take-off, no?
Confusing Tower Instruction
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Agree, but why would they want a line up and wait?
champ driver
Line Up and Wait
"line up and wait", tower wants you on the runway and ready for TO but for some reason there's a slight delay.
The other info is the "traffic on base for 23", they are letting you know there's traffic that may be a concern to you in time since your back is to the traffic.
Look up the accident at LAX some years ago when one jet landed on top of a turboprop while waiting on the runway for TO.
No confusion here.
The other info is the "traffic on base for 23", they are letting you know there's traffic that may be a concern to you in time since your back is to the traffic.
Look up the accident at LAX some years ago when one jet landed on top of a turboprop while waiting on the runway for TO.
No confusion here.
Radar Contact
Pattern Altitude
To expedite your departure while traffic/vehicle ahead clears. They are required to issue the traffic already cleared when they put you in position. Perfectly normal
Got it, thx. I just assumed there would be a link between the “line up and wait” and the traffic. Especially considering that once I line up and wait, I’ve lost visibility to the traffic on final.
That makes sense, thx!
PaulS
Touchdown! Greaser!
Especially at Bedford. I think the tower was telling him about the base traffic so he would understand he didn't have time to dilly dally once he was cleared for takeoff. Plus seeing an aircraft close in while being told to line up and wait would have me a little concerned without that acknowledgement from the tower.
donjohnston
Pattern Altitude
I'm guessing you departed prior to the Warrior landing?
It could be the line up and wait was because there was traffic crossing the runway, to give separation with a previous departing aircraft.
I don't think it's confusing.
It could be the line up and wait was because there was traffic crossing the runway, to give separation with a previous departing aircraft.
I don't think it's confusing.
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The LUAW was simply because the controller didn’t have approved or anticipated sep in front of you yet. The traffic issued, while might seem conservative, is required for anything within 6 miles same runway and requesting the option or unrestricted low approach.
luvflyin
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Timbeck2
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Edit: too late, it was for Velocity's comment.
luvflyin
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Any traffic within 6 miles
d. When an aircraft is authorized to line up and wait, inform it of the closest traffic within 6−flying miles requesting a full−stop, touch−and−go, stop− and− go, option, or unrestricted low approach to the same runway.
Clip4
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While you are getting lined up, the previous aircraft is taxing off the runway. The controller is subtracting the seconds it takes you to cross the hold line and become lined up with the centerline from the equation. Once you have taken off he can issue a landing clearance to the aircraft on RT base.
That’s very helpful. Thank you!
AKBill
En-Route
Not confusing to me. Like others have said, the controller was waiting for the proper separation.
Timbeck2
Final Approach
Things that would make a LUAW situation necessary:
1. another aircraft has just landed but not exited the runway
2. separation behind a previous departure
3. vehicle on or crossing the runway
4. awaiting IFR release (which I wouldn't do because it isn't guaranteed ATC will get it before the guy on base is about to land)
1. another aircraft has just landed but not exited the runway
2. separation behind a previous departure
3. vehicle on or crossing the runway
4. awaiting IFR release (which I wouldn't do because it isn't guaranteed ATC will get it before the guy on base is about to land)
Lachlan
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I’m pretty sure the tower was filming an episode of Street Outlaws: No Prep Wings and wanted to see a good drag race.
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Pattern Altitude
Are you saying the right base traffic can’t be cleared to land until the departure is gone? Sort of sounded like it. If so, that’s not correct.
BladeSlap
Ejection Handle Pulled
When they mention traffic landing they ether want you to wait or step on it
In your case it was to line up and be ready to go right meow
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Again, mentioning the traffic (6 miles or less) is a policy requirement. Has nothing to do with trying to get a pilot to wait or speed up.
Yeah Bedford is very busy a lot of the time and they like to get people moving.
So, there was something keeping you from being cleared for takeoff that had nothing to do with the traffic that was called out (a prior landing needing to clear the runway, another plane crossing runway, etc.), hence the line up and wait. Traffic call was relevant so you knew to be ready to get moving once you were cleared.
off topic, but since the controllers are here....
Last flight I got cleared to land while still 4 miles out on a base and then they immediately after told a plane in the pattern to extend downwind. The other plane could have landed twice before I got there. Only differences were, I was the faster aircraft (not really relevant I was so far out still), and I was full stop, they were doing pattern work. But it was out of whack enough it was noticeable. I kinda felt bad. Thoughts on why they did that?
Last flight I got cleared to land while still 4 miles out on a base and then they immediately after told a plane in the pattern to extend downwind. The other plane could have landed twice before I got there. Only differences were, I was the faster aircraft (not really relevant I was so far out still), and I was full stop, they were doing pattern work. But it was out of whack enough it was noticeable. I kinda felt bad. Thoughts on why they did that?
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Pattern Altitude
Who knows. Maybe a vehicle needed to inspect the runway, they were cutting a new ATIS, amending a flight plan, thought you were an Ovation 
or were training/not on their game. Tough to say without being in the cab.
or were training/not on their game. Tough to say without being in the cab.
luvflyin
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FWIW, the Controllers rules on Position and Hold, now LUAW, used to be a couple paragraphs in their rule book. Then there was this: https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR9108.pdf It now takes up the better part of three pages.