Cirrus SR series Generation 6?!

JustinD said:
@mulligan and that was to transfer your current N number over to the new bird? I reserved my N number ahead of time prior to getting my 182 so that was a breeze, I'm just concerned with how to transfer it, because I obviously can't fly my airplane with the N number reserved for a new plane....could I?
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You can take your reserved number and put it on your current plane and fly around. Then just reserved some other number. Then when you buy a plane, transfer the number on your current plane to the new plane and then put the 2nd reserved number on the old plane.

It's easy and quick. Hardest part is reprogramming ads-b. It any radio shop can handle that. Pm me if you would rather talk about it. I'm not too detailed on here cause I hate typifying unless I'm googling boobs
 
CC268 said:
Just ordered a new SR22 G6 on Amazon Prime...put it on the credit card.
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You get free two-day shipping? (Darn, got beat to the punch...)

And to totally take this thread in another direction, what did Amazon suggest you purchase with it?
 
Omalley1537 said:
And to totally take this thread in another direction, what did Amazon suggest you purchase with it?
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Let me guess...

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(I keed, I keed!)
 
Kudos and congrats to Cirrus. They innovate. They keep getting better and better. BUT - as a Cirrus driver I must say - if I had 1 Mil to spend (and I do not, at least not yet). I would buy a used turbine. Or a used Eclipse jet- but that's just me.
 
Ahh...authentically, sounds good. Monkey, meh....
 
weilke said:
Please, please everyone, keep buying G5/G6 SR22s, I need the price for G3 models to come down :)
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Right?...someone has to create a used market for the rest of us poor schleps!

...poor...yeah...airplanes...we are "poor"....
 
weilke said:
Please, please everyone, keep buying G5/G6 SR22s, I need the price for G3 models to come down :)
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I wonder how low the older models with the G1000 will get. You can get a G1 for 130 - 200 (which I think 200 is too high) G2/G3 200 - 320. But once you start getting in to the garmin they are all above 300K. FIKI came out I believe 2009 so be interesting to see what a G1000 FIKI sells for in about 3 years.
 
JustinD said:
Does it come with your free two day shipping?
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TWO days??? :confused: o_O
Why wouldn't they just emulate their much remarked about drone package delivery? In this case fly it to your home immediately on payment, pull the chute, drop it right in your back yard. Now THAT would impress both the BIL and the Jones' next door :)
 
EminiTrader said:
I wonder how low the older models with the G1000 will get. You can get a G1 for 130 - 200 (which I think 200 is too high) G2/G3 200 - 320. But once you start getting in to the garmin they are all above 300K. FIKI came out I believe 2009 so be interesting to see what a G1000 FIKI sells for in about 3 years.
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How much were they when they were new?
 
EminiTrader said:
FIKI came out I believe 2009 so be interesting to see what a G1000 FIKI sells for in about 3 years.
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I mostly care about what they go for by about october this year.
 
FastEddieB said:
When I bought my Gen 1 in 2003, I believe that equipped with the normal options (second 430, TKS, Skywatchers) was $389k. I got mine as a lightly used factory demo for $330k
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Considering that you can find 2003 models for somewhere between 160 and 200, the depreciation isn't all that atrocious. 10-12k/year real depreciation while the tax man gave you much of that up front (assuming business use).

I applaud Cirrus for their innovation and they know the ordering behavior of their customer base (all the options, all the time). Yet I sometimes wonder whether they should offer a 'fleet' version with more basic set of avionics, lightweight pleather interior, FIKI and the right yoke assembly and pedals removable.
 
weilke said:
Considering that you can find 2003 models for somewhere between 160 and 200, the depreciation isn't all that atrocious. 10-12k/year real depreciation while the tax man gave you much of that up front (assuming business use).

I applaud Cirrus for their innovation and they know the ordering behavior of their customer base (all the options, all the time). Yet I sometimes wonder whether they should offer a 'fleet' version with more basic set of avionics, lightweight pleather interior, FIKI and the right yoke assembly and pedals removable.
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Make the wheel pants optional, cut the cost by offering only a single monochrome paint color (say yellow with a black lightening bolt down the side?), further reduce costs by eliminating the left side entry door, maybe a fixed pitch prop option? ;) :D

Buying a new SR22 is like buying a new Tesla Model S; there really isn't anything else like it as an alternate. mulligan's comparisons with his strut-wing Cessna are pretty good evidence of this.

The Mooney is a fine airplane, probably the closest to the Cirrus in terms of "the number that counts" (how fast will it go), but buying a new one today seems much like buying a new Ford Mustang with all the Shelby options. Mother still thinks getting in is difficult, the back seat is useless for the kids and we all know the target market is really aging baby boomers nostalgic for their muscle car youth.

A new Bo is also a fine airplane and offers, among other things, easier access to the back without climbing on the wing. But it too is much like buying a new version of Dad's Country Squire wagon with a navigator screen implanted into the dash, and in the hands of Cessna I suspect this now 70 year old design is ultimately doomed to neglect.

What GA is missing is an equivalent of a F150 or Camry. If there was it might outsell Cirrus volumes. Then again, maybe not. Tesla figured out, correctly, that the only way to make a positive margin on an all electric car is to market a premium luxury product. All the others are selling their electrics at a loss, cross-subsidised by their other product sales, an option not available to Tesla. Maybe continuing to go up-market (with the jet, and higher optioned piston aircraft - certainly the price increase for a Cirrus in the last 15 years has far outstripped any inflation measure) is the only viable strategy for a GA airplane maker today?
 
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weilke said:
Considering that you can find 2003 models for somewhere between 160 and 200, the depreciation isn't all that atrocious. 10-12k/year real depreciation while the tax man gave you much of that up front (assuming business use).

I applaud Cirrus for their innovation and they know the ordering behavior of their customer base (all the options, all the time). Yet I sometimes wonder whether they should offer a 'fleet' version with more basic set of avionics, lightweight pleather interior, FIKI and the right yoke assembly and pedals removable.
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Close the thread! The magic word "PLEATHER" has been used!
 
weilke said:
Considering that you can find 2003 models for somewhere between 160 and 200, the depreciation isn't all that atrocious. 10-12k/year real depreciation while the tax man gave you much of that up front (assuming business use).
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I think I did fairly well on the depreciation spectrum.

I bought in 2003 for $330k, sold in 2007 for $290k. So, about $10k/yr. Someone who had bought new rather than demo would have fared far worse. In that time I put about 500 hours on the plane. I did add factory supplemental oxygen to the tune of about $6k, so there's that, plus I used a broker for the sale, so I paid a small percentage out of that $290k.
 
FastEddieB said:
I think I did fairly well on the depreciation spectrum.

I bought in 2003 for $330k, sold in 2007 for $290k. So, about $10k/yr. Someone who had bought new rather than demo would have fared far worse. In that time I put about 500 hours on the plane. I did add factory supplemental oxygen to the tune of about $6k, so there's that, plus I used a broker for the sale, so I paid a small percentage out of that $290k.
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Was 389 a list or a street price ?

Taking into account that we had the 2009-2010 meltdown of the used aircraft market in between, even 389 down to 180 wouldn"t be terrible. The only reason people had that delusion that aircraft should appreciate was the artificial supply restriction between '86 and '98.
 
weilke said:
Was 389 a list or a street price ?
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For a new Cirrus they have traditionally been one and the same. No negotiation.

weilke said:
The only reason people had that delusion that aircraft should appreciate was the artificial supply restriction between '86 and '98.
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I had my Tiger appreciate from $32k to $62k between 1992 and 2003. Albeit with almost $20k sunk into modernizing the panel.
 
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JustinD said:
You mean insurance reducers :eek:

I can't say I find them too common. I live in northern Florida, There's maybe one Cirrus based at my field and one of the worlds largest fly-in communities is 5 minutes from where I live, there's hardly any cirrus's in there either. I can honestly say I don't see Cirrus all that often around Florida
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Yeah except puzzlingly enough, dollar for dollar a Cirrus costs more to insure than a Mooney. Hmmm. Must be the red handle that frequently totals the plane?


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gsengle said:
Yeah except puzzlingly enough, dollar for dollar a Cirrus costs more to insure than a Mooney. Hmmm. Must be the red handle that frequently totals the plane?


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Have you priced out the insurance difference on a new acclaim type s vs a new SR22T? That's the only fair way to compare that
 
No on 200k Cirrus versus 200k Mooney Ovation. Not that long ago.


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weilke said:
Taking into account that we had the 2009-2010 meltdown of the used aircraft market in between, even 389 down to 180 wouldn"t be terrible.
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Plus, it might have brought the original owner a tax break that a resale buyer might not get. And the $180k used planes probably don't come with a 0hr engine, a 0month 'chute or a warranty.

Just a wild guess, but perhaps Cirrii follow Porsche's curve where it dips down for a decade or two then goes back up.
 
gsengle said:
Yeah except puzzlingly enough, dollar for dollar a Cirrus costs more to insure than a Mooney. Hmmm. Must be the red handle that frequently totals the plane?
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It's because Mooneys are flown by little old ladies who only use the plane to get to church on sunday ;-)
 
weilke said:
It's because Mooneys are flown by little old ladies who only use the plane to get to church on sunday ;-)
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Mooneys are probably the hardest used serious cross country fleet... you don't buy an airplane with 1000nm typical range to go down to church on Sunday :)


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gsengle said:
Mooneys are probably the hardest used serious cross country fleet... you don't buy an airplane with 1000nm typical range to go down to church on Sunday :)


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Definitely better to use the Bonanza for that. :blueplane: :D
 
How so when the Mooney is faster and has more range when similarly engined ;)


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mscard88 said:
Sure, just give us something to work with! Boom!
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What's not to love? Lights on the wing tips, faster G1000, and a pink handle!! What? Yours are red? Mine was special ordered PINK!! I like the color pink. Mostly because pigs are pink and I love bacon!!
 
asicer said:
Plus, it might have brought the original owner a tax break that a resale buyer might not get. And the $180k used planes probably don't come with a 0hr engine, a 0month 'chute or a warranty.
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The used buyer can still depreciate. What he doesn't get is the 179 expensing and bonus depreciation that is available from time to time under various tax relief and stimulus programs. Bonus depreciation is not free money, it's just that the irs allows you to keep your money a bit longer.
 
mulligan said:
Can we all please get back to making fun of the improvements to my new plane
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Did they offer you a designer parachute option? You know, custom colour combination with alternating pink and white panels, or they print the family crest on it? :D
 
mulligan said:
What's not to love? Lights on the wing tips, faster G1000, and a pink handle!! What? Yours are red? Mine was special ordered PINK!! I like the color pink. Mostly because pigs are pink and I love bacon!!
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I also heard the new 6 includes a survival kit in case the chute lands the plane in a remote location. It's called CAPSS - Cirrus After Pull Survival System. Comes in a wicker basket and includes stemware, linen napkins, pate and bubbly. ;)
 
My favorite feature is the key fob, but when is remote start coming out?!?

This is also the most successful thread I've created I'm rather proud of myself, thank you for your participation
 
JustinD said:
Good point, then again they also said it was the Garson Perspective plus before and never really advertised it as a G1000! Lol so it's basically the NXi....but with the perspective and special Cirrus stuff




I don't see it as a status symbol either, and that certainly isn't the reason I'd like one. But I will disagree with not turning many heads. Every time I'm on a ramp those seem to be what everyone looks at. I was just down in the keys in a ramp packed with beautiful new and old GA airplanes, and what did everyone on the ramp go up to and take a close look at? The Cirrus's
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I agree the SR22 is all over in Florida. I'm not into impressing other people with how my plane looks though, I left that behind in High School. If I personally like it then I will buy. Trying to impress others is an endless road.

German guy said:
I also think that Cirrus are just gorgeous, with a very good ramp presence. At least the never ones with the fancier paint schemes certainly do turn heads at ramp....



Exactly my thoughts. The interior, particularly the panel, is the other big thing.

Cirrus is certainly doing many things right. That they are owned by Chinese obviously didn't hurt them, if not the contrary.

Wow, very nice! :) :drool:
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I didn't know Cirrus was owned by the Chinese? The marketing that they do doesn't seem like it.
 
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