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The same pilot mistakes are made in pipers and cessnas.Yeah, at 110-130 knots, not at 160-180. Cirrus is pushing these aircraft as "easy to fly", pushing them as a transportation for soccer moms (and dads), pushing learning in them etc. Lidle is a primary example. He coulda, probably, got a skyhawk turned around in that space safely. He couldn't get the SR20 around safely, obviously.
That's my problem with the Cirrus. I think the aircraft is lovely technology, that most brand spankin' new pilots are not ready for. And the marketing doesn't emphasize that. You don't see Ferrari trying to sell it's hottest products to teen drivers specifically. You see Cirrus actively marketing newbies to aviation, encouraging them with the glass cockpits (navigation is a snap then, you know) and using the 'chute to emphasize how much safer they are. The problem is they are subject to the same pilot foibles as any other aircraft, particularly a fast one. You don't see, say Columbia, telling everyone how "easy" their plane is to fly. They seem to marketing to people moving up.
My 2 pennies of course.
Jim G
The same pilot mistakes are made in pipers and cessnas.Yeah, at 110-130 knots, not at 160-180. Cirrus is pushing these aircraft as "easy to fly", pushing them as a transportation for soccer moms (and dads), pushing learning in them etc. Lidle is a primary example. He coulda, probably, got a skyhawk turned around in that space safely. He couldn't get the SR20 around safely, obviously.
So Its not ok for a pilot to fly a plane that goes faster than 130. You don't think a pilot can learn to fly a faster plane even as a student? Forget what lidle did. That was bad judgment on the Instructor. Lidle was responsible and paid a CFI to show him the correct way to fly the corridor. I never would've bought my mooney if i listened to everyone tell me a low time pilot should not go straight into a mooney from a cessna. I think this bashing cirrus is plain ignorant. They arnt pill pushers on a dark corner, they wont let you take hold of a new plane without their checkout even. What more do you want from them? How fast does the Cessna 182 go? Does cessna require a checkout? How many pilots have crashed those planes in similar circumstances ? But i dont see anyone bashing cessna.
You don't see, say Columbia, telling everyone how "easy" their plane is to fly.
Columbia founder Lance Neibauer said:“It used to be that you had to do a geometry exercise to navigate a plane,” said Lance Neibauer, the founder of Lancair Co. of Bend, one of a handful of airplane manufacturers helping to transform the way Americans use private planes.
Today’s small planes, however, have a “glass cockpit,” the system of computerized displays and controls that makes pilots’ lives much easier.
“You can literally read a book up there,” said Neibauer...
A Columbia pilot who flies her kids around said:And read is exactly what she does.
“Last year, we got through Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn,” Huntsman said.
On the Moral side, Alan Klapmeir insisted on minimum training for folks who buy their airplanes. He also just recently sent out a letter to the Cirrus community about the need to establish and respect personal limits.
Please tell me the kids are reading while she's focusing on flying. Please.
Has anyone considered how many hours Cirri are flown relative to the size of their fleet and compared it to the number of hours each other aircraft model is flown relative to their fleet size? I would imagine that these Cirrus owners, being new owners, with very capable aircraft (in order to get the most utility and enjoyment from their "new toy") are flying far more hours/miles relative to the rest of the pilot population, and therefore putting themselves at greater risk.
More interesting data from http://overtheairwaves.com/
GA Fatal Accidents per Million
Gallons of Aviation Gasoline Consumed
Year___Gallons consumed__#of Fatal_____Fatal Accidents
__________(000,000)_____Accidents ____per million gallons
1986 _______91.9__________ 474_________ 5.15
2004 _______36.0 __________314 _________8.7
Brooke, I'm sorta with Jesse on this one. Who says it was the Plane that killed the pilot more likely the pilot killed the pilot.
Umm. I've read while Otto flies the airplane. Not for more than maybe 10 seconds at a stretch, the way you'd look at a chart, or look out at the scenery. I'm still attuned to the airplane and any discrepancy gets my attention in a hurry.
Tim,
Depends what you're reading. If you're reading the POH or something like that with a bunch of fragmented data, OK. If you're reading a novel, not OK - You start out tuned in to the airplane, but after a while the story will grab you and you'll pay less and less attention.