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455 Bravo Uniform

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Did your DPE log approaches in your book when he/she signed it after your checkride? My DPE is kind of hard to reach, so thought I’d ask here if that’s normal before I try to contact him.
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
Did your DPE log approaches in your book when he/she signed it after your checkride? My DPE is kind of hard to reach, so thought I’d ask here if that’s normal before I try to contact him.
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Mine didn't log anything. I logged it and the DPE signed it.

And looking back at my private, that particular DPE didn't log it and didn't even sign it.
 
My DPE didn't sign my logbook. But I did log the approaches and hold we did and put his name as the safety pilot.
 
I have not had a DPE sign my logbook on any of my 6 check rides so far
 
Deelee said:
My DPE didn't sign my logbook. But I did log the approaches and hold we did and put his name as the safety pilot.
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455 Bravo Uniform said:
I can, but is it ethical/legal? I guess it’s not really a big deal either way. Just gives me one more month of currency if I do.
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FAR 61.51(b)(1)(v) only says that the name of the safety pilot has to be there, not necessarily their signature.
 
All 3 of my checkrides have been logged by the DPE.
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
I can, but is it ethical/legal? I guess it’s not really a big deal either way. Just gives me one more month of currency if I do.
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log them. It is legal and ethical. You did the approaches. Nowhere is it written that the DPE must make that logbook entry.
 
MauleSkinner said:
How does it give you an extra month?
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My checkride was in November and I had no other approaches that month or since. If I couldn’t count the 3 from my Nov checkride, then I have a dozen or so from October for my last 6. (Regardless, I wouldn’t do approaches in actual at this point unless I went up and knocked the rust off).
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
My checkride was in November and I had no other approaches that month or since. If I couldn’t count the 3 from my Nov checkride, then I have a dozen or so from October for my last 6. (Regardless, I wouldn’t do approaches in actual at this point unless I went up and knocked the rust off).
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Your checkride was in November, so you’re current through May. November approaches do nothing for June.
 
The examiner cannot give instruction during the check ride. Unless he gave instruction after the check ride (which I think is pretty rare but not out of the question), there is no reason for him to sign your logbook. Log the time, landings, and approaches, all as PIC. Write the name of your safety pilot for the approaches you flew under the hood.
 
At the conclusion of a practical test, I offer to sign the applicant's logbook if he or she wishes. Nearly all request this, enjoying it as sort of memento of a milestone achievement. As such I usually write a little note such as "Congrats!" along with my designation number, expiration, name and signature. This logbook entry carries no special weight, however. The evaluator's signature (or e-signature, if IACRA) on the Temporary Airman Certificate is all that matters.
 
My dpe signed my book after both my checkrides, as Ryan f said, just because it's a memorable event. We also logged the approaches, but like Mauleskinner said, the rating gives you six months of currency, same as an ipc, so from a currency standpoint logging the approaches doesn't really matter either. In my mind though, you flew them, so why not log them?
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
My checkride was in November and I had no other approaches that month or since. If I couldn’t count the 3 from my Nov checkride, then I have a dozen or so from October for my last 6. (Regardless, I wouldn’t do approaches in actual at this point unless I went up and knocked the rust off).
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I still don't get it.
Repeating @MauleSkinner's comment, based on your November instrument checkride alone, your currency continued to the end of May. How would counting your November checkride approaches add to that?
 
You are the PIC on any checkride, so you get to log the flight. There is no requirement for the DPE to either log or sign your logbook, although some will just to make it official.
 
asicer said:
What if the FAA server goes down and the DPE is unable to issue a temporary airman certificate?
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They can do it by paper. If I remember right, my CFII was paper because the DPE was having an issue with IACRA at the time.
 
asicer said:
What if the FAA server goes down and the DPE is unable to issue a temporary airman certificate?
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The examiner will do it the old fashioned way.

There is no provision for a pilot to exercise new certificate/rating privileges with just a logbook entry.
 
MauleSkinner said:
The examiner will do it the old fashioned way.

There is no provision for a pilot to exercise new certificate/rating privileges with just a logbook entry.
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Mine didn't. All I had was the logbook entry until my new certificate arrived in the mail.
 
MauleSkinner said:
There’s still no provision for flying that way. Your examiner goofed.
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I was still operating under the general checkride advice of "don't ask more questions than needed and don't give more answers than needed" so I just went with it.
 
midlifeflyer said:
I still don't get it.
Repeating @MauleSkinner's comment, based on your November instrument checkride alone, your currency continued to the end of May. How would counting your November checkride approaches add to that?
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I learned that, but did not remember that. I was using the 6 in 6 rule, forgetting that the checkride started the 6 month clock. So I was using my last 6 approaches in October (wrongly of course), and was asking if the 3 from my checkride were valid to use (wrong again), especially since they were not logged in my log book (which I also now know I can amend).

By the way, the DPE that I used for my Private and IR did the log entries and signed my book. All of my instructors did the same. Maybe that’s just a local custom of the large flight school here.
 
KaiGywer said:
I have not had a DPE sign my logbook on any of my 6 check rides so far
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I haven't used a paper logbook in a couple of years. I guess a DPE could sign my digital logbook if he wanted to, but they haven't asked.
 
Lindberg said:
Then that would have occurred in November. Are we worried the OP is a time traveler? :D
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You are addressing the wrong sub-topic. The question was with regards to whether the signature is official or not.
 
A checkride is NOT instruction. There's no obligation for the DPE to log anything.

I agree, a log book entry is not a substitute for the new (changed) certificate. They're supposed to issue you a temporary. If you have an existing one, they're supposed to take the one you have and invalidate it.
It's been that way forever. I remember having to go to the GADO (I'm dating myself for sure) to get mine extended (was a rubber stamp they had) because Joklahoma City hadn't got the permanent one out yet.
About the only thing that's changed is that they now punch a hole in your certificate rather than confiscating the old one.
 
Logbooks are covered in 14 CFR 61.51.

In there you will find the requirements placed on CFIs for logging the instruction they give in both their student's, and their own, logbooks. You will also find the specific conditions under which a pilot may log flight time, landings, approaches, etc., for the purpose of meeting currency requirements and other purposes.

What you will not find are any requirements for, nor benefits from, a DPE logging information related to a flight test.
 
flyingron said:
I agree, a log book entry is not a substitute for the new (changed) certificate. They're supposed to issue you a temporary.
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I should add that my DPE was on the phone with the FAA for a good 20-40 minutes before I was sent on my way with just the logbook signature. I was not privy to the conversation, so I can't say who made the decision to do it that way or why the temporary certificate couldn't be done by hand the old fashioned way after the IACRA server crashed.
 
asicer said:
I should add that my DPE was on the phone with the FAA for a good 20-40 minutes before I was sent on my way with just the logbook signature. I was not privy to the conversation, so I can't say who made the decision to do it that way or why the temporary certificate couldn't be done by hand the old fashioned way after the IACRA server crashed.
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There was probably a “gentlemen’s agreement” involved that was in violation of proper documentation.
 
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Ryan F. said:
At the conclusion of a practical test, I offer to sign the applicant's logbook if he or she wishes. Nearly all request this, enjoying it as sort of memento of a milestone achievement. As such I usually write a little note such as "Congrats!" along with my designation number, expiration, name and signature. This logbook entry carries no special weight, however. The evaluator's signature (or e-signature, if IACRA) on the Temporary Airman Certificate is all that matters.
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Not to change the subject, but I was poking through your website earlier. I believe this is you on the left....

I believe you are flying low.

Well, it won’t let me post the pic. I’ll try again later.
 
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I always mention in the post flight debrief that I am happy to sign the logbook, if they want. usually the satisfactory tests prefer to have me sign, and the unsats prefer not. The flight time is PIC, not dual received. I keep a fillable PDF of a temporary certificate on my laptop (as well as a discontinuance and a disapproval) if needed to switch to paper.
 
Okay. Uploaded now. See above
 
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