CFI in shorts?

kgruber said:
Way back in the 70's when I instructed for Seattle Flight Service...............I wore a leisure suit. Do any of you remember those?
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Yes officer, it seems my husband's been abducted. The man was, was wearing a blue leisure suit. Plates were from Kansas. He was a huge, beastly, bulging man.
 
luvflyin said:
Howsa bout a kilt....

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Just be very, very, very careful how you get out of the plane...
 
KRyan said:
A bit of a long story, and a bit off topic, but it sort of fits . . .
Years ago, my wife and I were on vacation in Key West. My wife DOES NOT like flying. We were visiting Fort Taylor there and a red Waco biplane flew over towing a banner that read "Airplane rides" and a phone number. She turned to me and said "You want to do that, don't you?" I said "Oh, Yeah!" We went into town and called the number and they gave us a time to arrive. We got to the airport and explained why we were there, and the lady at the desk asked us to have a seat and she'd let them know we were there. A few minutes later, a guy walked in - kinda wild hair, shorts, sandals, Hawaiian shirt - typical Key West vibe. He pointed at us and said "You guys here for the airplane ride?" We told him "yes," and he said "lets go flyin'!"

He was our pilot. I thought my wife was going to faint!
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And he was great wasn't he?!

I trust those type of people a lot.

Suit and tie types, I don't trust at all.
 
Everyone who owns white socks, read this carefully.

Gather up all of your white socks, and throw them in the trash.
You're welcome!
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
I had you pegged wrong.....
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Not uncommon for me and my personality. In some circles I’m considered a flaming liberal - in others, a hard-core conservative. Both have a hard time seeing I’m not what they think I am. I’m more “moderate”, which isn’t to say “wishy-washy” but to say I realize virtually nobody - on any side of any discussion - believes what they believe for absolutely no good reason or for “unethical” reasons. There are very few topics where only one side has 100% of the “truth”, despite what “others” believe. That’s how I’m wired.

Checkout_my_Six said:
What are folks wearing in your church?
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I grew up Catholic and wore nice clothes to Mass for decades. As a Eucharistic Minister in the early 2000’s here in TX we were expected to wear a sport coat. Now I see many people - including EMs - at Mass in cargo shorts. I also have gone to Methodist churches with my wife and have seen similar changes there, though not quite as pronounced. There are various “Bible churches” here in TX that actually seem to cater to informality.

Beyond churches, when we were kids, flying on a plane was a big deal and people got dressed up. Not now. Even nicer restaurants have many people - myself included - dressing less formally. Heck - we used to ask ourselves before a trip if we needed to pack any “formal” clothes for the given agenda. Nowadays, unless it’s a wedding or (maybe) funeral, we just pack nice-ish jeans - including if I’m going to church (although I do tend to throw in dress pants and a good shirt if we’ll be going to Mass with my parents - after 60+ years, some things never change…).

IMHO dressing formally was a “social message” about several things: respect for the event and others, a sign of some level of financial achievement, or whatever. Dressing casually is also “social messaging” - just different messages. Or the same: one can still signal their financial achievement with the brand of casual clothes they wear, shoes, etc. Human nature…
 
For you.....keep the pants on. o_O
saddletramp said:
Back when I started instructing in the mid 70's we wore dress slacks, dress shoes, & tie. The 141 school I flew for required it. I was 18. I I know this sounds weird to the younger crowd.

I'm instructing full time again. In my mid-60's. I flight instruct in eastern WA/OR where the temps can climb into the mid 90's & up. Do you all feel that CFI's in shorts look professional? Presently I wear a company embroidered polo shirt with nice jeans.

I wore shorts a bit last summer but felt like I looked too casual. Thoughts?
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KRyan said:
A bit of a long story, and a bit off topic, but it sort of fits . . .
Years ago, my wife and I were on vacation in Key West. My wife DOES NOT like flying. We were visiting Fort Taylor there and a red Waco biplane flew over towing a banner that read "Airplane rides" and a phone number. She turned to me and said "You want to do that, don't you?" I said "Oh, Yeah!" We went into town and called the number and they gave us a time to arrive. We got to the airport and explained why we were there, and the lady at the desk asked us to have a seat and she'd let them know we were there. A few minutes later, a guy walked in - kinda wild hair, shorts, sandals, Hawaiian shirt - typical Key West vibe. He pointed at us and said "You guys here for the airplane ride?" We told him "yes," and he said "lets go flyin'!"

He was our pilot. I thought my wife was going to faint!
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Nice shorts and a polo was our uniform - we looked like golfers. Was happy for the shorts in the Texas heat, though!
 
Do you feel church attire affects one's salvation?
Llewtrah381 said:
Not uncommon for me and my personality. In some circles I’m considered a flaming liberal - in others, a hard-core conservative. Both have a hard time seeing I’m not what they think I am. I’m more “moderate”, which isn’t to say “wishy-washy” but to say I realize virtually nobody - on any side of any discussion - believes what they believe for absolutely no good reason or for “unethical” reasons. There are very few topics where only one side has 100% of the “truth”, despite what “others” believe. That’s how I’m wired.


I grew up Catholic and wore nice clothes to Mass for decades. As a Eucharistic Minister in the early 2000’s here in TX we were expected to wear a sport coat. Now I see many people - including EMs - at Mass in cargo shorts. I also have gone to Methodist churches with my wife and have seen similar changes there, though not quite as pronounced. There are various “Bible churches” here in TX that actually seem to cater to informality.

Beyond churches, when we were kids, flying on a plane was a big deal and people got dressed up. Not now. Even nicer restaurants have many people - myself included - dressing less formally. Heck - we used to ask ourselves before a trip if we needed to pack any “formal” clothes for the given agenda. Nowadays, unless it’s a wedding or (maybe) funeral, we just pack nice-ish jeans - including if I’m going to church (although I do tend to throw in dress pants and a good shirt if we’ll be going to Mass with my parents - after 60+ years, some things never change…).

IMHO dressing formally was a “social message” about several things: respect for the event and others, a sign of some level of financial achievement, or whatever. Dressing casually is also “social messaging” - just different messages. Or the same: one can still signal their financial achievement with the brand of casual clothes they wear, shoes, etc. Human nature…
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@Llewtrah381 The past two Sundays I have worn chinos and a button up shirt. Normally it’s clean jeans and a polo. People were asking me why I’m so dressed up. Honestly, because of reverence. I’m gonna do it again this Sunday.
 
texasclouds said:
@Llewtrah381 The past two Sundays I have worn chinos and a button up shirt. Normally it’s clean jeans and a polo. People were asking me why I’m so dressed up. Honestly, because of reverence. I’m gonna do it again this Sunday.
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I still wear slacks and a polo or similar "business casual" to our church, even though it's a more contemporary church and a good portion of the congregation is in jeans. It has its pros and cons. Probably a loss of reverence for the occasion in some aspects, but it also seems to foster a less stodgy atmosphere as well. Trying to keep young kids comfortable in a collared-shirt and tie is a losing battle. Times they are a-changin'.

If I attend a more traditional church, I throw on the suit & tie.
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
Do you feel church attire affects one's salvation?
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Well…let’s be honest here. What I think doesn’t matter to anyone, including the One who would make that call.

There was a time when a Catholic woman not wearing a head cover was committing a sin and putting her eternal soul at risk. Other Christian churches would say that’s bunk.

But to yet again give more fodder to some who would believe I’m a flaming liberal, I’d say I don’t really care about what does and doesn’t get someone “saved”. I try to do my best to do what we’ve been taught to do. For me, religion is about recognizing - and serving - something bigger than me, not about what reward I’m “entitled” to. People serve in the military at serious personal risk in order to serve something bigger than themselves - not to see how many medals they can rack up. The Prodigal Son story is a powerful message for me that even selfish intent doesn’t change a loving father’s love. In that context I opt to do my best to serve and not worry about if I’ve checked all the right boxes.

Just answering honestly here and not trying to proselytize or judge - but IBTL :)
 
texasclouds said:
@Llewtrah381 The past two Sundays I have worn chinos and a button up shirt. Normally it’s clean jeans and a polo. People were asking me why I’m so dressed up. Honestly, because of reverence. I’m gonna do it again this Sunday.
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I wear jeans and a button shirt. I figure wearing work clothes that are oil stained is less reverent.
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
Do you feel church attire affects one's salvation?
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I'm not the one you replied to and this might be skirting rather closely around the no-religion rule, but I also dress up for church. As in, I normally wear jeans and t-shirt, but I usually put on a dress for church. If not a dress, some very nice slacks and a fancy blouse. Not, however, because it affects my salvation in any way. I believe that people could go to church in their pajamas, but I don't because that seems very disrespectful to me. I dress up to show my respect for where I am and what I am doing, just like people dress up for audiences with royalty. If I was going to see the queen of England, say, I'd be dressed appropriately, so it only makes sense that I exhibit the same sort of respect to God, who is way more deserving of my respect than a queen that isn't even an authority over me.
 
Here I thought you were gonna get all preachy with me....and tell me I had to be forgiven of my sins, washed in the blood, by the one man who is spotless.... Ok, I got it. ;)
Llewtrah381 said:
Well…let’s be honest here. What I think doesn’t matter to anyone, including the One who would make that call.

There was a time when a Catholic woman not wearing a head cover was committing a sin and putting her eternal soul at risk. Other Christian churches would say that’s bunk.

But to yet again give more fodder to some who would believe I’m a flaming liberal, I’d say I don’t really care about what does and doesn’t get someone “saved”. I try to do my best to do what we’ve been taught to do. For me, religion is about recognizing - and serving - something bigger than me, not about what reward I’m “entitled” to. People serve in the military at serious personal risk in order to serve something bigger than themselves - not to see how many medals they can rack up. The Prodigal Son story is a powerful message for me that even selfish intent doesn’t change a loving father’s love. In that context I opt to do my best to serve and not worry about if I’ve checked all the right boxes.

Just answering honestly here and not trying to proselytize or judge - but IBTL :)
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Checkout_my_Six said:
Here I thought you were gonna get all preachy with me....and tell me I had to be forgiven of my sins, washed in the blood, by the one man who is spotless.....
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Yeah - that was what I first typed…but then I was almost hit by lightning so I changed it :p
 
The reality is heat and dehydration degrade CFI performance and add to fatigue especially as we get older.

You can look professional in khaki
shorts, jean shorts not so much.
 
If I can't wear shorts and a comfortable shirt (and maybe even sandals) while instructor, I'm not going to be instructing. It's uncomfortable enough teaching in the summer in an airplane without air conditioning, no reason to make it worse by trying to enforce some nonsense "dress code."
 
No problem with a cfi in shorts. Or DPE.
 
I have not worn jeans and a T-shirt in public for about 30 years. Slack or cargo tactical pants and a polo or button shirt every day without exception, unless I was wearing a flight suit.

Now, back when I was instructing full time and had 10-12 students, I don't recall what I wore.

Pretty sure I was wearing pants of some kind...
 
I fly in shorts and sandals.. sometimes even barefoot and shirtless. If I have polite company (Angel flight) I'll don a nice clean polo and long pants.

But in general, to hell with convention. Are you (third person 'you', not OP per se) looking to fit and look "cool" - or do you genuinely enjoy that style? Just be yourself. Thanks to tic toc, instagram, and the evils of "Zuck" many now have this compulsion to be or act a certain way to conform; and most are in deep denial about it. It's virtue signaling of the worst kind.
 
Whitney said:
Everyone who owns white socks, read this carefully.

Gather up all of your white socks, and throw them in the trash.
You're welcome!
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sorry - just not going to happen. I'm perfectly comfortable wearing white socks. They make a nice contrast to my pasty white legs.

Of course, I'm usually not wearing shorts (precisely because of the aforementioned pasty white legs).
 
When my instructor wore a t-shirt and shorts, it was a great way to prove I could concentrate on flying.

(you can figure out why it was proof).
 
Bob Noel said:
sorry - just not going to happen. I'm perfectly comfortable wearing white socks. They make a nice contrast to my pasty white legs.
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There is "pasty white" and then there is "inmate white" ... :)
 
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