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Looking at a 172 with O-300. About 1000 hours past run-out, priced accordingly.
also found an O-300 with all paperwork, from Canada. Both engines are same model (A).
What would be the hoops to jump through to install the canadian engine, in the U.S. aircraft?
 
Thanx for the info ya'll. I called th' FSDO, and after an eternity of pushing 1s and 3s I finally got to talk to a person, who promptly transferred me to a voice mail. :rolleyes:
Charlie; What would be properly logged? Would it be logged as an engine swap, or as an engine swapped with an engine overhauled in canada in accordance with TCCA (whatever the reference is for canadian stuff)?
 
who cares where the engine is? just install it. just as you would anywhere.
 
GlennAB1 said:
The US and Canada have a "Bilateral Airworthiness Agreement". You can Google all about it.
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Doesn't mean squat. it is a simple engine swap, removed serial number ....... installed serial number ........ that's all there is to it.
 
As long as the engine has a data tag it is usable here. the rest is just like here it is a quality thing, and remember the canadians must be a repair shop to overhaul engines. no AMEs can do it.
 
Tom-D said:
Doesn't mean squat. it is a simple engine swap, removed serial number ....... installed serial number ........ that's all there is to it.
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Tom-D said:
As long as the engine has a data tag it is usable here. the rest is just like here it is a quality thing, and remember the canadians must be a repair shop to overhaul engines. no AMEs can do it.
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Oh, wait, you mean there's more to it...
 
GlennAB1 said:
Oh, wait, you mean there's more to it...
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no .. how can there be more to it? It's a simple engine swap, what don't you understand about that?
 
bluerooster said:
Looking at a 172 with O-300. About 1000 hours past run-out, priced accordingly.
also found an O-300 with all paperwork, from Canada. Both engines are same model (A).
What would be the hoops to jump through to install the canadian engine, in the U.S. aircraft?
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Link us in, so all the tire kickers can tell you why they wouldn't buy it. :)
 
Tom-D said:
Link us in, so all the tire kickers can tell you why they wouldn't buy it. :)
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Reasons not to buy an overhauled engine from Canada:
1. The air is bitterly cold, the cylinders might be shock cooled and cracked from just sitting there in the shop;
2. Digging out an overhauled engine from under six feet of snow is too much work; look for an engine in Texas, it'll be easier (and warmer);
3. It takes months to transport an engine from Canada - dog sleds can't cover very many miles in a day;
4. The guys who overhauled that thing have a government sponsored, socialist medical system - who knows how healthy they really are and how good a job they did while on the waitlist for a knee replacement or heart transplant;
5. There could be any number of Molson Canadian pull tabs tossed inside the engine during all the union contract work breaks to watch hockey games - even worse, they show up as aluminium in the oil analysis so you can't tell what the hell is going on inside that crankcase.
 
Just be sure you know that he Canadian engines will run a little slower, eh?
 
Tom-D said:
and remember the canadians must be a repair shop to overhaul engines. no AMEs can do it.
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Why would someone remember something that's not true?
 
tyndall said:
Why would someone remember something that's not true?
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In some cases it's specialized maintenance.

SCHEDULE II(Section 571.04)Specialized Maintenance

The following tasks constitute the specialized maintenance referred to in section 571.04 of these Regulations.


Engine
  • 2 Any of the following types of tasks is engine specialized maintenance:
    • (a) the reassembly of a multi-part engine crankshaft or a crankshaft equipped with a dynamic counterweight system;
    • (b) the reassembly of the crankcase of a reciprocating engine that is equipped with an integral supercharger or a propeller reduction gear;
    • (c) the overhaul of a reciprocating engine that is equipped with an integral or turbo supercharger; and
    • (d) the overhaul of a turbine engine or turbine engine module.
 
Dan Thomas said:
In some cases it's specialized maintenance.
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Awww, you gave it away. The resident nitpicker/hairsplitter didn't specify which engines, just only a repair shop could do an overhaul.

For the purposes of (a), a dynamically balanced (like an O-300) crank could be assembled by a shop like aircraft specialties and then an AME could legally do a field overhaul.
 
Dan Thomas said:
In some cases it's specialized maintenance.

SCHEDULE II(Section 571.04)Specialized Maintenance

The following tasks constitute the specialized maintenance referred to in section 571.04 of these Regulations.


Engine
  • 2 Any of the following types of tasks is engine specialized maintenance:
    • (a) the reassembly of a multi-part engine crankshaft or a crankshaft equipped with a dynamic counterweight system;
    • (b) the reassembly of the crankcase of a reciprocating engine that is equipped with an integral supercharger or a propeller reduction gear;
    • (c) the overhaul of a reciprocating engine that is equipped with an integral or turbo supercharger; and
    • (d) the overhaul of a turbine engine or turbine engine module.
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Read on
571.04 (iii)
(iii) In the case of engine overhaul, an AMO with only an engine category can perform the overhaul, provided that any specialized NDT/welding forming part of the overhaul is carried out by an AMO approved for those processes.
 
To carry this on ;
what is a case line bore, regrinding of parts
Specialized Maintenance?
 
GRG55 said:
Reasons not to buy an overhauled engine from Canada:
1. The air is bitterly cold, the cylinders might be shock cooled and cracked from just sitting there in the shop;
2. Digging out an overhauled engine from under six feet of snow is too much work; look for an engine in Texas, it'll be easier (and warmer);
3. It takes months to transport an engine from Canada - dog sleds can't cover very many miles in a day;
4. The guys who overhauled that thing have a government sponsored, socialist medical system - who knows how healthy they really are and how good a job they did while on the waitlist for a knee replacement or heart transplant;
5. There could be any number of Molson Canadian pull tabs tossed inside the engine during all the union contract work breaks to watch hockey games - even worse, they show up as aluminium in the oil analysis so you can't tell what the hell is going on inside that crankcase.
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Don't be fooled by a Billateral Airworthiness Standard or anything else, Canadian maintenance standards are not like in the US, as this investigative report reveals:

 
A Canadian engine? Don't forget the immigration papers.....

Oh, engine from Canada..... never mind...
 
You better hurry up and buy that engine, lest some bozo tries to build a wall after January 2017. Then nothing will be able to get in or out of the US anymore.
 
Tom-D said:
Read on
571.04 (iii)
(iii) In the case of engine overhaul, an AMO with only an engine category can perform the overhaul, provided that any specialized NDT/welding forming part of the overhaul is carried out by an AMO approved for those processes.
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Can't "read on". As usual, you try to confuse the situation by jumping around. Dan Thomas quoted 571.04 of the actual regulations (CARs), while you try to mix in Standard 574.04 (like an AC) as regulation. All Standard 571.04 (iii) does is clarify what kind of repair shop is needed when the work is considered specialized maintenance.
 
tyndall said:
Can't "read on". As usual, you try to confuse the situation by jumping around. Dan Thomas quoted 571.04 of the actual regulations (CARs), while you try to mix in Standard 574.04 (like an AC) as regulation. All Standard 571.04 (iii) does is clarify what kind of repair shop is needed when the work is considered specialized maintenance.
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name one engine that does not require specialized maintenance? and can be completely overhauled by the Canadian AME.

We A&Ps here in the US can own and operate the machines to do every thing in the manufacturers overhaul manual. and return the engine to service on our certificate number. our counter parts north of the border can't with out being a AMO. with approved methods.
 
ColoPilot said:
7) If the engine came from Quebec, you'll have to talk to it French or it won't start.
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8) Canadian engines accumulate time 30% faster. Or is it slower??? In any case, it's just like their money.
9) You can only fly in kmph instead of mph
10) It can only be installed in float planes
 
Tom-D said:
how many hours are actually on it. "past run out" what the hell does that mean?
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Bad wording on my part. I should have said 1000 hours past factory reccomended TBO. (actually it's more, at 2900 hours SMOH)
IIRC the O-300 is 1800 TBO.
But anyway, do you have any input as to the engine swap with one OHd in Canada?
 
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