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EdFred

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...make my own yokes for my Cherokee? I thought that under part 43 I could make my own provided they exceeded the specs of the factory part. Well, I think that leather wrapped Fe/Al would be better than the plastic crap that's on them now.
 
Looks like it says I can only make a part if it is no longer in production. Is that the correct interpretation?

Bah. Just go read the reg, seems pretty clear instead of having some high winger try and explain it.

§ 21.303 Replacement and modification parts.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may produce a modification or replacement part for sale for installation on a type certificated product unless it is produced pursuant to a Parts Manufacturer Approval issued under this subpart.
(b) This section does not apply to the following:
(1) Parts produced under a type or production certificate.
(2) Parts produced by an owner or operator for maintaining or altering his own product.
 
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I think (a) says as long as you don't try to sell it....
 
Troy Whistman said:
Now, what if he sells the PLANE later on... can it have this part in it?

Affirmatively Answered,:yes: by Q-9 of the article... Bottom of page

but it has to still be airworthy.
 
One catch is that AFaIK you have to make the part conform to the manufacturer's design requirements which you don't have accesss to. I think there may be an alternative that involves a DER review of data you provide indicating that your part complies with whatever requirements the FAA have for such a part. So it might be possible, but it would probably cost more than buying a new one.
 
N2212R said:
§ 21.303 Replacement and modification parts.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, no person may produce a modification or replacement part for sale for installation on a type certificated product unless it is produced pursuant to a Parts Manufacturer Approval issued under this subpart.
(b) This section does not apply to the following:
(1) Parts produced under a type or production certificate.
(2) Parts produced by an owner or operator for maintaining or altering his own product.

Ed,

Note that 21.303 only deals with the fabrication of the part. The installation rules and paperwork are unchanged and don't depend on the part source, as long as it's a legal source.

If what you have created is basically a copy of the original part then it can be installed as a simple replacement with an A&P signoff (assuming it doesn't fall into the "major" or PM categories). However, if it's altered then you may need an additional level of paperwork & approval - like a 337 and field approval - depending on the level of alteration. I'm willing to bet that leather on the yoke would count as "minor", but don't take my word for it as it's the IA's word that counts.

Regards,
Joe
 
Ed wants to design a better-shape yoke and have a CNC mill cut it from a solid billet of an appropriate aluminum alloy.

I hope you do it, Ed, I think it's a cool idea.
 
Well, I'd have to hollow it out in order to run wires through it. I don't want to know how much a block of Al that size would run.
 
N2212R said:
Well, I'd have to hollow it out in order to run wires through it. I don't want to know how much a block of Al that size would run.

It might be more cost effective to cast one close to the desired shape and mill off the excess. For a one-up, lost wax can be pretty easy I think.
 
Wentworth has the exact ram horns of cast Al I am looking for. Quoted price, including shipping, is $640 each. If you can beat that, count me in for two, Ed.
 
I would like to chime in on the question of owner produced parts. If a part is better than the original it is considered an alteration. Parts have to be equal NOT better than reference FAR 43.13(b). Below is some material I have gathered and please note FAR 21 keeps using the word “controlling”.

Owner Produced Parts

Question: Does the owner have to manufacture the part himself, in order for the part to be considered an "owner produced" part?

Answer: No. An owner would be considered a producer of a part if the owner participated in controlling the design, manufacture, or quality of the part. The FAA would look at many factors in determining whether a person participated in. Controlling the design, manufacture, or quality of a part. The following would tend to indicate that a person produced a part:

1. The owner provided the manufacturer with design or performance data from which to manufacture the part. {This may occur, for instance, where a person provided a part to the manufacturer and asked that the part be duplicated.)
2. The owner provided the manufacturer with materials from which to manufacture the part.
3. The owner provided the manufacturer with fabrication processes or assembly methods to be used in the manufacture of the part.
4. The owner provided the manufacturer with quality control procedures to be used in the manufacture of the part.
5. The owner supervised the manufacturer of the part.

As noted above, prior to Amendment 21-41, FAR 21.303(a) prohibited each person producing a replacement or modification part for sale for installation on a type certificated product from doing so without holding a PMA. In Amendment 21-41, the FAA amended FAR 21.303(a) to allow a PMA holder to contract with a subcontractor or supplier to manufacture a modification or replacement part under the holder's PMA. In that amendment, the FAA recognized that a modification or replacement part can conform to the approved design data and be 'safe for installation on a type certificated product, as long as the part is produced under an approved fabrication inspection system (FIS).

Amendment 21-41 did not specifically address who "should have held the PMA" where the part was produced in "the absence of a PMA. However, any interpretation of FAR 21.303(a) should be consistent with the focus .in that amendment on the establishment and maintenance of the PIS; therefore, the FAA dod submit that 21.303(a) creates liability for production of a modification or replacement part for sale for installation on a type certificated product for each person who:

1. Participates in controlling the design, manufacture, or quality of the part.
2. And does so with the intent that the part be sold for installation on a type certificated product.

The FAA would not construe the ordering of a part, standing alone, as participating in controlling the design, manufacture, or quality of a part.

If it was concluded that a person produced the part for the purpose of effectuating the repair, the question would remain whether a person would be in violation of 21.303(a). I would submit that the person would not be in violation of 21.303(a), because, the person did not produce the part for sale for installation on a type-certificated product.

Just one man’s opinion.

Stache
 
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