HPNPilot1200
En-Route
You mean the BRS-equipped 172SP at the flight school I avoid flying at all costs now has an AD? Good thing I'd never pull the handle anyway. 
C172/182 BRS-Parachute AD
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KennyFlys
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Is anyone else wondering this... where exactly would nylon screws be used in this system?
Teller1900
En-Route
Tell me someone's gotten hit in the back of the head with the parachute??
tonycondon
Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)
oh jason, if you ever had a situation where you needed it, you would wish you had that handle to pull...
HPNPilot1200
En-Route
I hope to never allow myself to enter a situation where the pull of a handle would save my life and the lives of my passengers. Perhaps if a wing fell off, but that's all I can think of.
I would feel more comfortable landing engine out due to some sort of failure or fire by hand, than to pull the chute and hope it will take me some nice daisy field where the sun shines bright and warm. At least I have control of the aircraft flying it by hand. My two cents.
tonycondon
Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)
mid air collision is a very real risk where it could come in handy, especially in uber busy airspace land out where you fly
HPNPilot1200
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mid air collision is a very real risk where it could come in handy, especially in uber busy airspace land out where you fly
I think I'll take my chances and put my life in the hands of the N90 controllers and the see-and-avoid principle. You do have a point though.
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mid air collision is a very real risk where it could come in handy, especially in uber busy airspace land out where you fly
In fact, isn't that the reason why Alan Klapmeier designed the Cirrus with an airframe airchute? He had a mid-air?
tonycondon
Gastons CRO (Chief Dinner Reservation Officer)
yes, he survived a mid air back in the 80's. the other airplane's pilot, however, did not.
TMetzinger
Final Approach
I'm looking forward to a chute being standard on the airplanes I rent. More options are always good. Let's see....
Engine failure over water - chute is probably better than ditching in a fixed gear airplane, as your energy should be less.
Flight control failure.
Engine failure resulting in separation of the engine from the airplane rendering the airplane completely uncontrollable due to CG issues.
Ice.
Pilot incapacitation.
Mountainous terrain at night.
Loss of control in IMC.
Obviously, maintaining control of the aircraft is job 1. But isn't it nice to have options?
And for the record, getting hit by the sabot that yanks the parachute out would kill you. That thing is rocket powered in the full sense of the word, and it moooooves on out. I took the EMS safety course on it and I forget what the velocity was, but it was thousands of feet per second, perhaps more. It doesn't burn for long, of course, but you don't want to be in the way.
Engine failure over water - chute is probably better than ditching in a fixed gear airplane, as your energy should be less.
Flight control failure.
Engine failure resulting in separation of the engine from the airplane rendering the airplane completely uncontrollable due to CG issues.
Ice.
Pilot incapacitation.
Mountainous terrain at night.
Loss of control in IMC.
Obviously, maintaining control of the aircraft is job 1. But isn't it nice to have options?
And for the record, getting hit by the sabot that yanks the parachute out would kill you. That thing is rocket powered in the full sense of the word, and it moooooves on out. I took the EMS safety course on it and I forget what the velocity was, but it was thousands of feet per second, perhaps more. It doesn't burn for long, of course, but you don't want to be in the way.
That is one situation that I would probably prefer to ditch, maybe pulling the chute at the very last second. Vertical into the water would not be a good thing as you don't have the gears ability to absorb some of the impact, and that big wide belly will stop quickly. It won't be nearly as gentle as on land. Remember the guy who went into the Hudson? The impact broke a vertabrae or two on him.
wby0nder
Cleared for Takeoff
"Engine failure over water - chute is probably better than ditching in a fixed gear airplane, as your energy should be less.
Flight control failure.
Engine failure resulting in separation of the engine from the airplane rendering the airplane completely uncontrollable due to CG issues.
Ice.
Pilot incapacitation.
Mountainous terrain at night.
Loss of control in IMC."
Single engine failure at night over ANY terrain with the exception of maybe over the interstate, near an airport, or full moon over open country.
Why people fly single engine night and IFR without a parachute is beyond me.
There are a hell of a lot of obstructions lurking in the shadows in open country. It only takes one little fence post or sapling or creek bed to turn your machine into a cartwheeling flaming candelabra. There is serious truth to the oldtimers saying about "turning on the landing light when you get near the ground and if you don't like what you see, turn it off."
Flight control failure.
Engine failure resulting in separation of the engine from the airplane rendering the airplane completely uncontrollable due to CG issues.
Ice.
Pilot incapacitation.
Mountainous terrain at night.
Loss of control in IMC."
Single engine failure at night over ANY terrain with the exception of maybe over the interstate, near an airport, or full moon over open country.
Why people fly single engine night and IFR without a parachute is beyond me.
There are a hell of a lot of obstructions lurking in the shadows in open country. It only takes one little fence post or sapling or creek bed to turn your machine into a cartwheeling flaming candelabra. There is serious truth to the oldtimers saying about "turning on the landing light when you get near the ground and if you don't like what you see, turn it off."
TMetzinger
Final Approach
I didn't think he had the chute... did he? I thought he just stalled it above the water.
Nope, he regained consciousness, recovered from the dive and decided to pull the chute in case he seized again and went in under canopy. The thing is, the actual amount of energy is not as critical as the amount of time you can disperse the energy absorption out over. Better to have twice the energy and five times the decelleration. That said, there are definitely times I would use the chute.