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Funny thing about the American flag, communities, schools and others seem intent on limiting how citizens display the flag, so in defiance of our HOA, I put ours out every morning and take it in after supper every night, unless it's raining.

State law is on my side but the way thing are going, that's bound to change. What won't change is that I will continue to put it out and take it in. We have started to notice others doing the same thing. It's fun to watch the HOA idiots get all whiny about it. Nothing winds up an idiot like thinking they can tell others what to do, when to do it and how.

Kind of like government types, social workers and school administrators - almost all useless, alomst all the time.
 
Personally, when I think of America, rather than all this jingoistic military ballyhoo I would think about a video in which some robed Muslim cleric spouts the most virulent anti-semitic and anti-American vitriol right here in the USA.

And he's perfectly free to do so. That's America. That's what I love.
 
Florida Cracker said:
Funny thing about the American flag, communities, schools and others seem intent on limiting how citizens display the flag, so in defiance of our HOA, I put ours out every morning and take it in after supper every night, unless it's raining.

State law is on my side but the way thing are going, that's bound to change. What won't change is that I will continue to put it out and take it in. We have started to notice others doing the same thing. It's fun to watch the HOA idiots get all whiny about it. Nothing winds up an idiot like thinking they can tell others what to do, when to do it and how.

Kind of like government types, social workers and school administrators - almost all useless, alomst all the time.
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your HOA doesn't allow you to fly the US Flag? why did you move to a community with that rule if you like to fly the flag?
 
"We'll put a boot up your ass, it is the American way." Love that line, Nothing like a kick ass CW song and a video of planes dropping bombs to make a guy hold up his head and feel like an American.
 
tonycondon said:
your HOA doesn't allow you to fly the US Flag? why did you move to a community with that rule if you like to fly the flag?
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Florida has a flag freedom law, so the dolts that would tell us we can't - lose, every time but that doesn't stop narrow minded, self adsorbed, adolescent, idiots from playing at being an adult and trying.

A lot of communities are trying to regulate how your flowers are planted, the color of your window shades and your flag.

I have always suggesting these folks get a life, adopt a homeless dog, volunteer at the local hospital, teach a child to read, become a big brother - big sister, join the red cross, or salvation army, do something worthwhile, instead of rotting behind closed doors and shut curtains, hoping for something to complain about, to prove they're still alive.

It's a shame but idiocy isn't illegal. It's more like a birth defect, I think.
 
tonycondon said:
your HOA doesn't allow you to fly the US Flag? why did you move to a community with that rule if you like to fly the flag?
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So he could fly it and annoy those with their heads securely up and locked.

I say we start a campaign to provide low-cost housing to Veterans in that neighborhood and provide free flagpoles and labor to install them, until the idiots are driven mad.

A cadre of pro-Bono patriotic lawyers wouldn't hurt either.
 
You'd be surprised how many HOA's in Florida persecute homeowners that raise the flag. I think these are folks that need serious psychological intervention but they're out there and they never seem to shut up.
 
tonycondon said:
your HOA doesn't allow you to fly the US Flag? why did you move to a community with that rule if you like to fly the flag?
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After spending a lifetime being subjected to the brainwashing of what a free country the U.S. actually is, comments like this just kind of get my dander way up there, kinda to the boiling point.

Even though we are a nation of people who are obsessed with rules, laws, regulations, and procedures, in order that our fellow citizens live in a manner that pleases us, this is one area where all of us should take a stand.

Every person in this country has the right to display our flag, any time, anywhere they want, as long as the proper protocols of respect are followed for flying and displaying it.

The idea of moving to another community that allows such displays is preposterous. We should all be moving to communities that do not allow it, then proudly displaying it anyway.

How many people have given their lives for this thing? Have we sunk so low that we don't even have the balls to stand up to a little p**s ant homeowners association?

Crap, with all the blather about all our freedoms, we should at least have the guts to actually stand up to the rule mongers and defend this one.

John
 
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Florida Cracker said:
Funny thing about the American flag, communities, schools and others seem intent on limiting how citizens display the flag, so in defiance of our HOA, I put ours out every morning and take it in after supper every night, unless it's raining.

State law is on my side but the way thing are going, that's bound to change. What won't change is that I will continue to put it out and take it in. We have started to notice others doing the same thing. It's fun to watch the HOA idiots get all whiny about it. Nothing winds up an idiot like thinking they can tell others what to do, when to do it and how.

Kind of like government types, social workers and school administrators - almost all useless, alomst all the time.
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Nothing in our HOA rules about it. And as President of the HOA, you can bet that if somebody complained (and there are a few of us with the flag up) they'd be told to take the complaint to someone who cared. If my flag offends you, leave.
 
Ghery said:
Nothing in our HOA rules about it. And as President of the HOA, you can bet that if somebody complained (and there are a few of us with the flag up) they'd be told to take the complaint to someone who cared. If my flag offends you, leave.
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HOA and Condo boards are the worst offenders, but not the only ones. Some associations want to limit your free speech by using codes to tell you what you can and can't display at Christmas, Memorial Day, July 4th and so on. Some of the links contained below will curl your hair. A lot of them are in Florida, because, I think we have so many bored, old folks, with nothing to do, except annoy their neighbors.

http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html
 
Florida Cracker said:
HOA and Condo boards are the worst offenders, but not the only ones. Some associations want to limit your free speech by using codes to tell you what you can and can't display at Christmas, Memorial Day, July 4th and so on. Some of the links contained below will curl your hair. A lot of them are in Florida, because, I think we have so many bored, old folks, with nothing to do, except annoy their neighbors.

http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html
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So back to Tony's question, if you don't like all these rules, why did you buy one of these places? Did you not read all the rules, or did you just decide they didn't apply to you?
 
Florida Cracker said:
HOA and Condo boards are the worst offenders, but not the only ones. Some associations want to limit your free speech by using codes to tell you what you can and can't display at Christmas, Memorial Day, July 4th and so on. Some of the links contained below will curl your hair. A lot of them are in Florida, because, I think we have so many bored, old folks, with nothing to do, except annoy their neighbors.

http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html
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It is even more puzzling then why, with those feelings, that you would move into a HOA neighborhood that had rules that you do not agree with. So why did you move there?
 
yea, i'm all for flying the flag and certainly not a fan of HOA's. That is why I bought a house in a neighborhood that doesn't have an HOA. Of course I risk my neighbors parking glider trailers in their driveways and leaving their garage doors open. They might even let the little grass they have in their yard get shaggy. Oh wait, thats what I do. I won't be assured that all the houses on the block will have conforming paint jobs of multi-tone bland either.

I suspect the HoA says no flagpoles but you are more than welcome to wave the flag on a house mounted pole?
 
There was once a time in our military that being allowed to carry the flag into combat was considered a great honor. The flag bearer was also one of the prime targets on the battlefield. The apposing forces wanted nothing more than to see their enemies flag go down into the mud, so great attention was given to accomplishing just that.

If the flag bearer was brought down, men nearby would actually drop their weapons and grab not their falling comrade, but the flag they were carrying before it could touch the ground. There they were, holding the flag, knowing full well that they were now a prime target, and would probably end up themselves wounded or dead for their effort.

And now, today, displaying that same flag is a matter of dispute among Americans. What an embarrassing shame.

John
 
Florida Cracker posted this link. http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html seems to me like there are more than a few disputes going on.

Then on this thread alone, several people seem to be disputing why anyone would move to a HOA community that didn't allow the displaying of the flag.

Any other questions about why I would think people are disputing the issue of displaying our flag?

John
 
John Baker said:
Florida Cracker posted this link. http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html seems to me like there are more than a few disputes going on.

Then on this thread alone, several people seem to be disputing why anyone would move to a HOA community that didn't allow the displaying of the flag.

Any other questions about why I would think people are disputing the issue of displaying our flag?

John
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i only looked at the headlines on that web page but most of them seemed to be issues with HoA's which had established rules that banned flagpoles in peoples yards. Residents were still able to fly the flag other ways such as those small flag poles that attach directly to the house. Apparently those communities had established rules of uniformity and decided that letting people put flagpoles in their yards was undesirable.

Yes, if you are dead set on flying the flag on top of a pole in your yard, why would you move into a HoA community that does not allow this? That doesnt make any sense.

I wouldn't move into an HoA without knowing the rules really well, and even then I don't think I'd be too happy unless i was at least on the HoA board.
 
John Baker said:
After spending a lifetime being subjected to the brainwashing of what a free country the U.S. actually is, comments like this just kind of get my dander way up there, kinda to the boiling point.

Even though we are a nation of people who are obsessed with rules, laws, regulations, and procedures, in order that our fellow citizens live in a manner that pleases us, this is one area where all of us should take a stand.

Every person in this country has the right to display our flag, any time, anywhere they want, as long as the proper protocols of respect are followed for flying and displaying it.

The idea of moving to another community that allows such displays is preposterous. We should all be moving to communities that do not allow it, then proudly displaying it anyway.

How many people have given their lives for this thing? Have we sunk so low that we don't even have the balls to stand up to a little p**s ant homeowners association?

Crap, with all the blather about all our freedoms, we should at least have the guts to actually stand up to the rule mongers and defend this one.

John
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Do you favor, or do you not favor, private property rights? Ironically, those are where HOA's have their origins.

What I find absolutely hilarious is that a law interfering with HOA rules in the name of "freedom" is actually taking a freedom away!

I'll be glad to give a more detailed explanation, but be advised that it will be: 1) long; and 2) boring.
 
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John Baker said:
There was once a time in our military that being allowed to carry the flag into combat was considered a great honor. The flag bearer was also one of the prime targets on the battlefield. The apposing forces wanted nothing more than to see their enemies flag go down into the mud, so great attention was given to accomplishing just that.

If the flag bearer was brought down, men nearby would actually drop their weapons and grab not their falling comrade, but the flag they were carrying before it could touch the ground. There they were, holding the flag, knowing full well that they were now a prime target, and would probably end up themselves wounded or dead for their effort.

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Is all of that, which is absolutely indisputable, a display of how valuable a piece of mass-produced cloth is, or a display of how incredibly irrational people can be?

As in, how do you want to characterize the following statement: "I love my country so much that I'm going to willingly carry a flag that not only will make me a target likely to die, but will also deprive me of the use of both of my hands, meaning that I'll die for my country having done nothing but carry a flag, which does nothing except tell my general where my regiment might kind of be on the battlefield in a situation where he no longer has any control over what happens anyway so there's really no point in him seeing my flag because, even if he knows where my regiment is, he can't do anything with that knowledge, and when I die, some other poor guy is gonna pick up the flag so that he can get shot at as well?"
 
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John Baker said:
Florida Cracker posted this link. http://www.ccfj.net/HOAartflag.html seems to me like there are more than a few disputes going on.

Then on this thread alone, several people seem to be disputing why anyone would move to a HOA community that didn't allow the displaying of the flag.

Any other questions about why I would think people are disputing the issue of displaying our flag?

John
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I don't think the dispute is about the flag, the dispute is why anyone would buy a home with a HOA that restricts someone from flying the flag. Personally that is what keeps me from moving into one of those places. I have thought about moving into a town home, but I don't like all of the restrictions. Hence, I just don't move into one. You might say that every time I mow the lawn, I'm making a point for freedom.
 
Maxmosbey said:
So back to Tony's question, if you don't like all these rules, why did you buy one of these places? Did you not read all the rules, or did you just decide they didn't apply to you?
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Lots of people breach contracts willingly. Not my MO, but it works for them...
 
P.S. A study a few years ago by another hobby group of mine (Ham Radio) showed that 98.5% of all new homes built in Colorado had restrictive antenna covenants. If you wanted antennas and a NEW home, you had very few options. You could look at the 1.5% of homes that had none, or you could refuse to sign and not get the home, or... You could breach the contract and put up a tower, without a building permit, and hope your insurance company didn't cancel you...
 
denverpilot said:
P.S. A study a few years ago by another hobby group of mine (Ham Radio) showed that 98.5% of all new homes built in Colorado had restrictive antenna covenants. If you wanted antennas and a NEW home, you had very few options. You could look at the 1.5% of homes that had none, or you could refuse to sign and not get the home, or... You could breach the contract and put up a tower, without a building permit, and hope your insurance company didn't cancel you...
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Only 98.5%? Nothing new, either. The subdivision I lived in SW of Denver 30 years ago had them. Fortunately, they aren't covered (directly) where I live now and the covenants that might impact them are easily circumvented.
 
Actually the offending HOA where I live uses what's called "Planning Criteria," to make up new rules and relax, or eradicate old ones, without the cost of amending the official documents, that have the seal of the Secretary of State on them. To amend the original docs you have to have original signatures of 75% of all homeowners.

Since these rules didn't exist, nor have our founding docs been amended to include these restrictions, I do not recognize the planning criteria as having say so power over the first amendment.

So I ignore it/them and have invited the board to take me to court to see who's right.

Of course, in civil matters, in Florida, loser pays, so I look forward to handing them a big bill when that day arrives.

They haven't taken the big leap - yet, but continue to whine about the flag and flag pole, and send letters demanding conformity to their planning.
 
Florida Cracker said:
Actually the offending HOA where I live uses what's called "Planning Criteria," to make up new rules and relax, or eradicate old ones, without the cost of amending the official documents, that have the seal of the Secretary of State on them. To amend the original docs you have to have original signatures of 75% of all homeowners.

Since these rules didn't exist, nor have our founding docs been amended to include these restrictions, I do not recognize the planning criteria as having say so power over the first amendment.

So I ignore it/them and have invited the board to take me to court to see who's right.

Of course, in civil matters, in Florida, loser pays, so I look forward to handing them a big bill when that day arrives.

They haven't taken the big leap - yet, but continue to whine about the flag and flag pole, and send letters demanding conformity to their planning.
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We've had past members of our HOA board who've tried to create new rules beyond the covenents and bylaws. I think that's why they fired me as head of the architectural control committee some years ago. I wouldn't play their game and did my best to keep them honest. The current board won't play that game, not with me as President. Do what we're allowed to do to the best of our ability and otherwise stay out of everybody's hair.
 
The one and only HOA I belonged to they passed my motion to disband. Yes, we still had quarterly (BBQ) and annual (beer soaked BBQ) meetings but we also curtailed any fees. We held the maximum in an interest bearing account for roads and improvements that fees no longer were collected. I suppose it helped that the Prez kept a pig as a pet. So the line my the backyard to dry fish was nothing at all.
 
I tried to get a motion passed to disband, but it turned out we didn't have (and almost never have) a quorum to move the motion to have it sent out to gain the necessary signatures.

If the housing prices in Florida weren't the worst in the country, I'd sell and go buy ten acres out of town, have a big garden and erect a really tall flag pole. Maybe they will recover but I doubt it, anytime in this decade.
 
I live in a development that was built in 1976. I was the last house on the street until 2002 when they developed the farm that was South of me before that. These are nothing more than neighborhoods, no HOA. However the houses South of me have different zoning ordinances than I do. There are different parking regulations starting at my lot line. There is also some ordinances, one of which has to do with parking trailers, campers, and motor homes in driveways. I can park my camper in my drive way, but they can't. The thing is that they are zoning ordinances with civil penalties, not criminal penalties. The police do not enforce anything off street. So I noticed while I was running lately that a lot of people are parking their boats and pop ups in their driveways. While technically illegal, no one is going to enforce it. I don't even think that most people who live there know that the ordinances even exist.
 
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