Bit of a scare today. Fouled Plug Maybe?

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Flew to breakfast with my family which was maybe a 10 minute flight.
I flew them back to home base and then I flew up to another field to give a pilot friend and his son a ride.

We fly for maybe 40 minutes.
I show him the lean assist feature and notice that as I am leaning, the engine starts acting too lean long before 1st peak.

I say hmmm, that is odd but nothing really seems amiss.
We make our way back flying a bit richer than I normally would.

Drop him off and I prepare to head home.
On my takeoff roll, everything is normal. Rotate and half a minute later, I begin to dial the mixture down to the green arc. SOP.

Well no exaggeration, I barely moved the mixture and the engine starts shaking. Quick undo what you last did!
Engine seems fine, Vx, do a 180 and get back

Over and over on DW leg, nudging the mixture down and the plane shakes. Still well above normal cruise mixture.

Land, Call my CFI and says not being there it is difficult, there are several options.

He has me do:
1. normal run up: No issue
2. High RPM run-up. Left Mag, and intermittent popping

I have had the plug issue before where you burn off the carbon and this seemed different. It was a lot of random popping. Not at a consistent cadence.


I do the burn off procedure and try again same result with the popping.

CFI suggests trying alt air, no fix there.
Suggests possible induction ice which I haven't googled yet.

I go through about 3 more iterations of the mag check at 1800, then again at 2400, then do the burn off procedure.

I do a full throttle run down the runway and there is no issue
I do it again, reducing the mixture and no issue.

One more low and High RPM mag check, and the popping is gone.
Parking brake, full throttle, start reducing mixture and it is dead smooth.

Had a long talk w/ CFI and we decided to do a couple more high rpm mag checks and if the popping is gone and everything is smooth, then do a lap around the pattern.

I go for it and the plane runs as perfect as ever. I circle up to 7000 and then make the 15 minute flight home without issue.


Could a dirty plug cause the engine to shake when reducing the mixture? And I mean a touch like from 26GPH to 20GPH whereas I normally fly at 14GPH so still way more fuel than normal but a hair back from full.

Sorry this is so long.
 
Sounds like the engine was trying to come from together.



Got nothing.
 
Short answer, yes. Could well be a plug going bad.
This is where an engine monitor pays or itself in spades.
 
Magneto coil going bad is my guess, and a guess only.
 
Thanks and yes of course a guess.
I have an A&P looking into it in the morning.
 
Kinda sounds like a strange intake leak, but definitely has symptoms of bad ignition somewhere along the line. It could be many things. Curious, and I'm not trying to nit pick, but why are you leaning the engine out 30 seconds after takeoff? I assume you're WOT at this point, damn near it anyway. These engines need fuel!
 
Kinda sounds like a strange intake leak, but definitely has symptoms of bad ignition somewhere along the line. It could be many things. Curious, and I'm not trying to nit pick, but why are you leaning the engine out 30 seconds after takeoff? I assume you're WOT at this point, damn near it anyway. These engines need fuel!


I lean 2 times.
Initial lean is just to get in the green arc on the fuel flow gauge.

Once flaps are up, and climb is established, Bring back the mix a bit into the green arc.

At cruise, I do the "real" lean to LOP.

This is just how I was taught by CSIP.
 
I lean 2 times.
Initial lean is just to get in the green arc on the fuel flow gauge.

Once flaps are up, and climb is established, Bring back the mix a bit into the green arc.

At cruise, I do the "real" lean to LOP.

This is just how I was taught by CSIP.

What is the top of the green fuel flow in GPH?
 
I lean 2 times.
Initial lean is just to get in the green arc on the fuel flow gauge.

Once flaps are up, and climb is established, Bring back the mix a bit into the green arc.

At cruise, I do the "real" lean to LOP.

This is just how I was taught by CSIP.
That's what I do in the 182 and the Trinidad.
 
I hope you are not saying that you are pulling back to 20 GPH while still in a full-power climb...


I recon he pulls power and mixture to the top of the green for the initial reduction in climb like the Good Book says
 
Sounds like the engine was trying to come from together.....

HA!


engine overhaul and you'll be fine. have those bastids that goobered up your plane pay for it!
 
How much time have you and 6PC-Senior put on the aircraft since you have gotten it back?

I know 25MV shows you a good engine monitor representation on your MFD, but does it also record?

If it does, download it on a flash drive, and then see what Mike Busch's Engine Analysis tool (https://www.savvyanalysis.com/home) shows you.
 
I hope you are not saying that you are pulling back to 20 GPH while still in a full-power climb...
Per the Cirrus FOM, normal climbs are made with full power. For noise abatement, power should be reduced to 2500 RPM after 1000 feet
 
Per the Cirrus FOM, normal climbs are made with full power. For noise abatement, power should be reduced to 2500 RPM after 1000 feet

Still more interested in actual fuel flow.
 
Kinda sounds like a strange intake leak, but definitely has symptoms of bad ignition somewhere along the line. It could be many things. Curious, and I'm not trying to nit pick, but why are you leaning the engine out 30 seconds after takeoff? I assume you're WOT at this point, damn near it anyway. These engines need fuel!

:yikes: If I didn't lean out, I would be burning 37gph in my SR22T. How much fuel you want to give it?

Nevermind.. You are saying full power in the climb. :goofy: I thought you meant after takeoff/climb.. I like to keep it rich for climb to keep the CHT's down. We can lean to a cruise climb at 17gph, but that just throws oil on the belly and the CHT's climb fast.
 
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Interesting.... could the plugs need the gaps checked?
 
Could be lots of things. Timing issue or an intake leak would be the first things I'd chase.
 
I still would have pulled... Probably somewhere between the normal run up and the high rpm run up.
 
I think pulling after the startup might have been more prudent that during either runup.

David

The thoughts of a good, safety conscious pilot.


(FYI, I kid.. I do indeed believe in the chute. Furthermore everything I read here leads me to believe 6PC is a good pilot).
 
The thoughts of a good, safety conscious pilot.


(FYI, I kid.. I do indeed believe in the chute. Furthermore everything I read here leads me to believe 6PC is a good pilot).

I have no reason not to believe he is a good pilot. The rest of his life, who knows! LOL

David
 
Sounds like whatever it was cleared up. I'm going with fouled plug.

Are you leaning hard on taxi?

Lean the **** out of these planes when they're not developing power.
 
Sounds like whatever it was cleared up. I'm going with fouled plug.

Are you leaning hard on taxi?

Lean the **** out of these planes when they're not developing power.
Or something else that was ****y when not warm enough? If be curious to hear what the mechanic has to say
 
20 GPH is about right. Rich of peak the 22 sees about 18-19 GPH. LOP we see around 14 GPH

While still full-throttle immediately after takeoff?
 
The thoughts of a good, safety conscious pilot.


(FYI, I kid.. I do indeed believe in the chute. Furthermore everything I read here leads me to believe 6PC is a good pilot).

I'm the best pilot ever!

 
20 GPH is about right. Rich of peak the 22 sees about 18-19 GPH. LOP we see around 14 GPH

While still full-throttle immediately after takeoff?

X2. I wouldn't think an io-550 is happy at full throttle below 5000msl on only 20 gph.

What Spike and JD says. 20 gph while producing full power with a IO-550 seems like a really bad idea. What CHT(s) are you seeing in a climb like that?

Leave it full rich and make sure you're running the fuel flow Continental calls for. Reference Continental SID97-3E:
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While still full-throttle immediately after takeoff?
Initially on takeoff I see about 28 GPH full throttle which is the max GPH fuel flow allowed. 1000ft, about 24 with full throttle, 2000ft typically 20-22 with full throttle. To answer Jesse's question, CHTs are about 320-340 and depending on climb rate, they could be higher.
 
Initially on takeoff I see about 28 GPH full throttle which is the max GPH fuel flow allowed. 1000ft, about 24 with full throttle, 2000ft typically 20-22 with full throttle. To answer Jesse's question, CHTs are about 320-340 and depending on climb rate, they could be higher.

Page 113 of this POH would seem to indicate a different recommendation from Cirrus. I would think that pulling that much fuel by 2000ft would be a recipe for high internal cylinder pressures and premature wear. I know on my IO-520s that would certainly be the case.
 
So I need a bit of education. I am not sure what is correct procedure now.
 
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