Bill Belichick coming to UNC

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Probably less than 30 minutes ago, it was announced that Bill Belichick has accepted the head coaching job at UNC. The board of trustees has to meet in the morning to approve the deal, but the word is that they've been involved all along so approval is very likely.

Will he will, will he not win? I don't know, but I believe he has recruiting chutzpah that nobody else can match. As college football moves into the NIL time, he also has experience managing a payment budget, something almost no other college coach has.

I picked a bad time to move away.
 
Kinda surprised he took it. I heard he had his heart set on breaking Shula's record for all time NFL wins.

Maybe he wants to meet more cheerleaders?
 
bflynn said:
Probably less than 30 minutes ago, it was announced that Bill Belichick has accepted the head coaching job at UNC. The board of trustees has to meet in the morning to approve the deal, but the word is that they've been involved all along so approval is very likely.

Will he will, will he not win? I don't know, but I believe he has recruiting chutzpah that nobody else can match. As college football moves into the NIL time, he also has experience managing a payment budget, something almost no other college coach has.

I picked a bad time to move away.
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I see it the other way around. In the Pro's you have a contract, often times a multi year contract. So you can't leave whenever a better opportunity comes along. A pro coach (or GM) "only" has to recruit free agents - maybe he brings in 10 guys a year. And the free agency period only lasts a few months in the NFL. In college, the entire roster can leave at pretty much any time, so you're perpetually recruiting new players while simultaneously recruiting all of your current players (or at least the ones you want to keep). I think Belichick will grow very tired of kissing 18-20 year old arse every day, 365 days a year.

Of course, I'm sure he thought about that before he campaigned for the job.
 
I think it’s more a move to set his son up on a lucrative career, kind of like Bob Knight and his son Pat(Texas Tech). We’ll see in a couple years.
 
College football (and sports in general) has become an outright semi-pro league with the institution of NIL deals and the free agency/transfer portal. I hate everything about it, and care less and less about it every year. I don't watch the NFL, so with CFB moving to that layout I'd just assume they divorce it from the colleges altogether. I say that as an alumnus and huge college sports fan of a blue blood program. It sucks, but if this is what we're left with (kids transferring every time the bag men come by) I'd rather it all burn. /rant
 
Well, you can drop the “semi” part

My guess is they will eventually either have multi year contracts and/or get rid of the no sit out transfer so there’s some continuity in the future.
 
Some people never know when to give it up.wishing him well
 
Think Arkansas is up to 25 in portal. x3 starting 0 line.. We have a bowl game to play.. :rofl:
 
Sooner Aviator- as a 30 yr Georgia season ticket holder, I can agree with your sentiments. I’m about ready to re-direct all the money spent going back and forth to Athens, tickets, and donations, into more fruitful things such as AMUs to visit grandkids, condition inspections, etc
 
Randomskylane said:
Well, you can drop the “semi” part

My guess is they will eventually either have multi year contracts and/or get rid of the no sit out transfer so there’s some continuity in the future.
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Well, the students aren't officially "employees" of the universities . . . yet. It's coming though, along with a players union.
 
GoFly said:
Sooner Aviator- as a 30 yr Georgia season ticket holder, I can agree with your sentiments. I’m about ready to re-direct all the money spent going back and forth to Athens, tickets, and donations, into more fruitful things such as AMUs to visit grandkids, condition inspections, etc
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100%. I keep laughing at all of the alumni emails/letters I get trying to drum up support for the NIL collectives and such. I'm not donating money so that we can try and entice some kid to come play ball. At least there was still some sense of "playing for school pride" before NIL came around, even if we all know there was plenty of under-the-table dealings for top prospects.
 
Preach it, SoonerAviator- send money to the NIL collective for some kid to get a new Dodge Charger….... nope, I just sent a wad of money to Jesse for a new panel full of Dynon and Garmin stuff.IMG_2069.jpeg
 
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kyleb said:
I see it the other way around. In the Pro's you have a contract, often times a multi year contract. So you can't leave whenever a better opportunity comes along. A pro coach (or GM) "only" has to recruit free agents - maybe he brings in 10 guys a year. And the free agency period only lasts a few months in the NFL. In college, the entire roster can leave at pretty much any time, so you're perpetually recruiting new players while simultaneously recruiting all of your current players (or at least the ones you want to keep). I think Belichick will grow very tired of kissing 18-20 year old arse every day, 365 days a year.

Of course, I'm sure he thought about that before he campaigned for the job.
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kyleb said:
I see it the other way around. In the Pro's you have a contract, often times a multi year contract. So you can't leave whenever a better opportunity comes along. A pro coach (or GM) "only" has to recruit free agents - maybe he brings in 10 guys a year. And the free agency period only lasts a few months in the NFL. In college, the entire roster can leave at pretty much any time, so you're perpetually recruiting new players while simultaneously recruiting all of your current players (or at least the ones you want to keep). I think Belichick will grow very tired of kissing 18-20 year old arse every day, 365 days a year.

Of course, I'm sure he thought about that before he campaigned for the job.
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I think you’re overblowing this.

People leave or stay for personal gain of some kind. Belichick is proposing to build a pipeline program so his players leave college already playing at the pro level. I would not be surprised if he hired former NFL players as coaches to amp up the talent and intensity. That gives his program a different look than most other schools and players looking long term are going to stick around. Those who want their asses kissed by the coach are going to get kicked out.

Whatever he accomplishes, he can’t do much worse than Mack Brown.
 
SoonerAviator said:
100%. I keep laughing at all of the alumni emails/letters I get trying to drum up support for the NIL collectives and such. I'm not donating money so that we can try and entice some kid to come play ball. At least there was still some sense of "playing for school pride" before NIL came around, even if we all know there was plenty of under-the-table dealings for top prospects.
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I know 'Saban' is viewed as a dirty word in most of the CFB landscape, but I have heard from a few different reliable personal sources that the nail in the coffin for him deciding to hang it up was after the loss last year, when he got to the locker room, instead of a fired up locker room talking about how they're going to never let this happen again, yadda yadda yadda, he had freshmen who had played exactly zero minutes that season asking "How much am I gonna get paid to stay?" A lot of his approach was getting young players to put in the effort to get better to 'earn' a spot on a big-time roster, but if the only motivation is the dollars in their pocket, they're not going to be willing to put in the sweat equity to earn a spot.

I also heard directly from a former D1 player friend that was invited back to visit his former program (not Alabama, but a similar level top-tier D1) say that the locker room atmosphere was nothing like when he played just 10 years ago. He said the comradery among the team was gone. All people were talking about was the money they were making and what they were going to do with it - there wasn't a sense of pushing each other or a sense of being in the 'fight' together. A couple of guys had gotten roasted by the coaches during practice and as soon as they hit the locker room all they wanted to talk about was where they would transfer.

My 13 y/o son and I were talking about it driving home from basketball practice the other night. We think that if things keep going as they are now:
1. Historical rivalries will fade away because the players on the teams have no history with the program, thus no personal loyalty to seeing their side of the rivalry win. And if they get beat like a drum, they'll just transfer to another program and not have any drive to 'get 'em back next year'.
2. The motivation for 2 and 3-star recruits to go to a big program and try to get better will go away - you may work 3 years at your position to grow into the starting role, but then BAM a booster throws some $$$ at an NIL deal for a transfer to come in and take the spot that you've 'earned'. Work ethic in the big-money programs will decline drastically.
3. The distance between the 'have' vs. the 'have-not' programs will grow far more than it ever has. They should probably just go with a 'Tier-1' league and an 'everybody else' league based on your NIL payroll. At least give the non Tier-1 teams a chance to compete and grow their programs internally.
 
CJones said:
I also heard directly from a former D1 player friend that was invited back to visit his former program (not Alabama, but a similar level top-tier D1) say that the locker room atmosphere was nothing like when he played just 10 years ago. He said the comradery among the team was gone. All people were talking about was the money they were making and what they were going to do with it - there wasn't a sense of pushing each other or a sense of being in the 'fight' together. A couple of guys had gotten roasted by the coaches during practice and as soon as they hit the locker room all they wanted to talk about was where they would transfer.
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This is where the boomers start muttering about participation trophies. ;)

But IMO it's up to the coach to create the team camaraderie and work ethic. I've really been enjoying my Green Bay Packers this year and last because without our former toxic diva quarterback, the level of love and teamwork in the locker room appears to be absolutely fantastic... And that resulted in us making the playoffs last year as one of the youngest teams to ever do so, with a brand new starting quarterback, and take out the #2 seed in their stadium which they hadn't lost in all season, in epic style.

This year, they're doing quite a bit better and it's been fun to watch - Especially because nothing throws them. Last week they went into the locker room down 10 points to the best team in the conference and came back to take the lead in just over 3 minutes after halftime. They ended up losing, but it was on a last-second field goal so at least they were in the game the whole way. And they're not relying on a single phase for their wins.

I really hope that all of the changes in college football don't wreck this sort of thing as all those players move up to the pros... And if they're not working as hard, I hope there's still enough quality players left for the pros!
 
CJones said:
I know 'Saban' is viewed as a dirty word in most of the CFB landscape, but I have heard from a few different reliable personal sources that the nail in the coffin for him deciding to hang it up was after the loss last year, when he got to the locker room, instead of a fired up locker room talking about how they're going to never let this happen again, yadda yadda yadda, he had freshmen who had played exactly zero minutes that season asking "How much am I gonna get paid to stay?" A lot of his approach was getting young players to put in the effort to get better to 'earn' a spot on a big-time roster, but if the only motivation is the dollars in their pocket, they're not going to be willing to put in the sweat equity to earn a spot.

I also heard directly from a former D1 player friend that was invited back to visit his former program (not Alabama, but a similar level top-tier D1) say that the locker room atmosphere was nothing like when he played just 10 years ago. He said the comradery among the team was gone. All people were talking about was the money they were making and what they were going to do with it - there wasn't a sense of pushing each other or a sense of being in the 'fight' together. A couple of guys had gotten roasted by the coaches during practice and as soon as they hit the locker room all they wanted to talk about was where they would transfer.

My 13 y/o son and I were talking about it driving home from basketball practice the other night. We think that if things keep going as they are now:
1. Historical rivalries will fade away because the players on the teams have no history with the program, thus no personal loyalty to seeing their side of the rivalry win. And if they get beat like a drum, they'll just transfer to another program and not have any drive to 'get 'em back next year'.
2. The motivation for 2 and 3-star recruits to go to a big program and try to get better will go away - you may work 3 years at your position to grow into the starting role, but then BAM a booster throws some $$$ at an NIL deal for a transfer to come in and take the spot that you've 'earned'. Work ethic in the big-money programs will decline drastically.
3. The distance between the 'have' vs. the 'have-not' programs will grow far more than it ever has. They should probably just go with a 'Tier-1' league and an 'everybody else' league based on your NIL payroll. At least give the non Tier-1 teams a chance to compete and grow their programs internally.
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Completely spot-on. Having to re-recruit guys already on your team is absurd. Not to mention the impact of all of the conference re-alignments which messes with traditional rivalries. (OU/Neb killed when they left the Big XII, OU/OSU killed when OU went SEC). Teams on the West coast having to travel to the East coast to play takes away the regional-geographical ties. Everything that was unique about College Sports is being wiped away in favor of the pro model. Mike Gundy at fOSU reportedly shuns the NIL model as well, which cost him dearly this year.
 
CJones said:
The distance between the 'have' vs. the 'have-not' programs will grow far more than it ever has.
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IMO the results this year suggest the opposite is happening. The top 20 have become more competitive. The SEC in particular has leveled out, with most teams capable of beating each other on any Saturday. Probably never going to see a dynasty like Alabama again.

I don't know why Saban would be a dirty word. He's one of the greatest coaches in college football history. Unfortunately his approach probably won't work in the NIL era. Sad, but it is what it is, as BB likes to say.
 
Ed Haywood said:
Kinda surprised he took it. I heard he had his heart set on breaking Shula's record for all time NFL wins.
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Even if he had his heart set on breaking Shula's record and could achieve it, it wouldn't really matter as Andy Reid will surpass both of them anyways.
 
SoonerAviator said:
Everything that was unique about College Sports is being wiped away in favor of the pro model. Mike Gundy at fOSU reportedly shuns the NIL model as well, which cost him dearly this year.
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The rush to the money grab began about 40 years ago when Oklahoma and thUGA sued the NCAA over TV rights. Since then, it has been larger and larger dominoes falling in a rush for more and more dollars. Whether you like or hate NIL, until NIL came along, the only ones benefitting from all of the newfound money were the Athletic Departments at the schools. At least here, the Athletic Departments are financially independent of the schools, so all of the $$ stays in the Athletic department, which is how you have $10M head coaches, $3M assistants, $1M+ AD's, gilded facilities, etc. It was all self serving. More money to the program largely meant more money for those administering the program. When I really realized it was when Texas A&M, a near-cult school which values tradition and history more than anywhere else I'm aware of, jumped to the SEC for a bigger payday. All at the expense of their traditional rivalries against Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and a bunch of others. They sold their souls and were happy for the payoff. I was extremely disappointed.

I just don't see the current model of college football being sustainable. Donors, even the moneyed ones, are eventually going to tire of "we need more money to compete". At some point, the collectives and all that stuff are gonna fail. I think. Or hope.
 
kyleb said:
when Texas A&M, a near-cult school which values tradition and history more than anywhere else I'm aware of, jumped to the SEC for a bigger payday. All at the expense of their traditional rivalries against Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and a bunch of others. They sold their souls and were happy for the payoff. I was extremely disappointed.
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So were a lot of other folks. But unfortunately A&M, along with the majority of the Southwest Conference teams, would have stayed a small, back marker football program without the change.

The new tradition at Texas A&M is..... dump all old traditions for new meaningless ones that have been approved by lawyers...
 
Ed Haywood said:
IMO the results this year suggest the opposite is happening. The top 20 have become more competitive. The SEC in particular has leveled out, with most teams capable of beating each other on any Saturday. Probably never going to see a dynasty like Alabama again.

I don't know why Saban would be a dirty word. He's one of the greatest coaches in college football history. Unfortunately his approach probably won't work in the NIL era. Sad, but it is what it is, as BB likes to say.
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I agree that the dynasties are gone under the current structure.

I think the difference is the amount of money that the big programs will be able to muster vs the smaller teams year over year. And if someone becomes a diamond in the rough at a small school, he'll soon get picked up by a bigger school. I think an interesting stat to track would be the number of starters on this year's playoff (or top ~15 or so) teams that are on the same roster next season.
 
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