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With ADS-B coming and Radar on it's way out seems like it could be like the 1950 in uncontrolled airspace again. Aircraft flying IFR and not talking to anybody since their will be no Radar to spot them what would stop anybody from doing that since they would be invisible to center without ADS-b. Big Sky little airplane sounds great to do what I want, just get out of my way.:confused:
 
Yup, the faa is don' fixin our airspace.
 
With ADS-B coming and Radar on it's way out seems like it could be like the 1950 in uncontrolled airspace again. Aircraft flying IFR and not talking to anybody since their will be no Radar to spot them what would stop anybody from doing that since they would be invisible to center without ADS-b. Big Sky little airplane sounds great to do what I want, just get out of my way.:confused:

Radar will always remain to detect primary targets. AFAIK there is no plan to ever eliminate that capability.
 
Big sky lot of little airplanes scud running,never going to change that.
 
You don't really think that the controller's union would ever let the FAA do away with radar? You are living in a dream world.

Bob Gardner
 
Radar will always remain to detect primary targets. AFAIK there is no plan to ever eliminate that capability.
In our area Whidbey Approach in their wisdom only has SSR Radar the new computer type not able to show primary targets. If you do not have a transponder you are not on their scope. Primary target radar is a thing of the past, try getting a center to give you flight following without a transponder as a primary target only.
Primary surveillance radar (PSR) surveillance data derived by radar No: does not depend on aircraft equipment Secondary surveillance radar (SSR) (except for pressure altitude): aircraft range and azimuth derived by radar requires aircraft to have a working ATCRBS transponder Automatic dependent surveillance (ADS-B) No: surveillance data provided by aircraft requires aircraft to have working ADS-B function.
 
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In our area Whidbey Approach in their wisdom only has SSR Radar the new computer type not able to show primary targets. If you do not have a transponder you are not on their scope. Primary target radar is a thing of the past, try getting a center to give you flight following without a transponder as a primary target only.
Primary surveillance radar (PSR) surveillance data derived by radar No: does not depend on aircraft equipment Secondary surveillance radar (SSR) (except for pressure altitude): aircraft range and azimuth derived by radar requires aircraft to have a working ATCRBS transponder Automatic dependent surveillance (ADS-B) No: surveillance data provided by aircraft requires aircraft to have working ADS-B function.

They might not add any new ones, but will not decommission the primary radar capability. You need it for NORDOs (electrical failure) in any case.
Edit: also needed for bad guys, to support national defense and HLS. E.g. see http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/cip/files/FY14-18/FY14-18_CIP_Appendix_B_Sept_2013.pdf item 2A08.
 
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They might not add any new ones, but will not decommission the primary radar capability. You need it for NORDOs (electrical failure) in any case.
Edit: also needed for bad guys, to support national defense and HLS. E.g. see http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/cip/files/FY14-18/FY14-18_CIP_Appendix_B_Sept_2013.pdf item 2A08.
Your right they might not add any new ones. When PSR Radar break they stay broken for a long time, the systems are old and some parts not around anymore. PSR and old VOR stations are getting harder and harder to maintain for the FAA.
 
They might not add any new ones, but will not decommission the primary radar capability. You need it for NORDOs (electrical failure) in any case.
Edit: also needed for bad guys, to support national defense and HLS. E.g. see http://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/cip/files/FY14-18/FY14-18_CIP_Appendix_B_Sept_2013.pdf item 2A08.
If you have a NORDO electrical failure what good is Primary Radar going to do if you can't hear of talk to anybody? They will still clear the area in your flt plan with or without Primary Radar. If you are out of range of short range radar like tower has the chance of being picked up on primary center radar as a target only is slim to none. It would be nice if we had some active FaA controlers that could let us know their capability or primary radar.
 
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With ADS-B coming and Radar on it's way out seems like it could be like the 1950 in uncontrolled airspace again. Aircraft flying IFR and not talking to anybody since their will be no Radar to spot them what would stop anybody from doing that since they would be invisible to center without ADS-b. Big Sky little airplane sounds great to do what I want, just get out of my way.:confused:

Mark I eyeballs ......ALWAYS!!!!

I suggest you stay VFR if this is your feeling.

Let the IFR dummies go about their business....hopefully we will manage:rolleyes:
 
Me and my meatbag friends will be out there flying around in paragliders. Not beeping or blooping, us and the birds will not show up your TV. I would love to see a study of pilots with eyeball tracking gizmos, I suspect most would be shocked at the small amount of time pilots spend looking outside.
 
Me and my meatbag friends will be out there flying around in paragliders. Not beeping or blooping, us and the birds will not show up your TV. I would love to see a study of pilots with eyeball tracking gizmos, I suspect most would be shocked at the small amount of time pilots spend looking outside.

Especially if they could show a study of eyes outside nowadays, compared to say the 50s.
 
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