Big landslide in Big Sur

[ejensen]

Anyone know what the story is with that airstrip? I would make a flight down if it was accessible.

Still private. From the Hearst website
'In 1946, the airstrip was moved to its current location one mile north of the Visitor Center. Today, the airstrip is still used by Hearst Corporation and family but is not open to public air traffic.'

 

[Zeldman]

Anyone know what the story is with that airstrip? I would make a flight down if it was accessible.

I would do the same.

 

[citizen5000]

The 1989 Loma Prieta quake killed 63 and injured almost 4,000. That one was a mere 6.9. Remember the cars and people crushed like grapes between Nimitz freeway roadways?
That and the Northridge quake of 6.7 in 94 will look like sandbox play compared to what's coming.

Nature has a way of culling out the weak, dumb and ill-prepared.

 

[Shawn]

Nature has a way of culling out the weak, dumb and ill-prepared.

And yet humans keep trying to post more warning labels to save them...

That and the Northridge quake of 6.7 in 94 will look like sandbox play compared to what's coming.

Again, fear mongering and speculation. Here is the actual California recorded history that current risk assessments and building codes are based on.

7 Biggest Earthquakes in California History

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...thquake-california-biggest-magnitude-history/

An asteroid could also statistically wipe out humanity as well...does not mean we should all jump ship.

Now, in no way will it be a non event when it happens...but a Hollywood style blockbuster Armageddon is historically unlikely.

 

[citizen5000]

Not fear mongering when the warning is based on solid science.

 

[ircphoenix]

The last big one was 1906 a 7.8. In geologic time that is a few seconds and the geologic record indicates the next big one on the San Andreas is overdue and as such will no doubt be larger than the 06 quake. If the 06 quake happened today hundreds of thousands would be killed and at least 20,000 buildings/structures destroyed.

Seismologist Lucy Jones from the US Geological Survey warned in a dramatic speech in Japan last month that people need to stop ignoring the threat. In 2011 there was a 9.0 earthquake off the east coast of Japan and around 10% of the population died. The Pacific ring of fire is a system of faults mirrored on either side of the Pacific.

A 9.0 quake would be 15 times bigger and 65 times stronger than the 06 quake and would sink either San Francisco bay area or the Los Angeles coast and valley three feet in a few seconds with resultant seawater flooding and tsunami. The disaster would lead to at least a million deaths and most of either city completely destroyed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4540590/California-s-Big-One-happening-devastate.html

I want to know who this person is. Cirrus shill. Claims to own one. Has a habit of copy pasting nonsense. I'm beginning to believe it is someone here merely to troll.

10% of the population of Japan died in 2011? You'd think that'd be bigger news.

 

[Norman]

Not fear mongering when the warning is based on solid science.

MMGW&CC is going to kill humanity first. (sarc)

 

[MAKG1]

Anyone know what the story is with that airstrip? I would make a flight down if it was accessible.

It's still owned by the Hearst family, and getting permission to land there is only slightly more likely than pigs flying while having snowball fights in Hell.

 

[Everskyward]

I want to know who this person is. Cirrus shill. Claims to own one. Has a habit of copy pasting nonsense. I'm beginning to believe it is someone here merely to troll.

10% of the population of Japan died in 2011? You'd think that'd be bigger news.

I agree with her pasting nonsense. Japan has a population of 127 million. Fukushima prefecture has a population of 1.8 million. The official death toll was 15,894, 90% of those were from the effects of the tsunami.

 

[Palmpilot]

As I recall it is the underwater Juan De Fuca plate that is subducting under the North American plate, so not sure how WA and Cali "disappear" in that scenario. But even if they did who would miss them.

That's funny, because I feel the same way about where YOU live!

 

[asicer]

An asteroid could also statistically wipe out humanity as well...does not mean we should all jump ship.

Yes it does. We need to colonize Mars.

 

[cessna182b]

Anyone know what the story is with that airstrip? I would make a flight down if it was accessible.

That was W.R. Hearst's private airport. It was moved and rebuilt several times over it's history. I believe that his last plane was a DC-3/C47. He also had another
airport over the hill near the "Hacienda" - which structure is today the Officer's Club at Fort Hunter Liggett (he sold that part of his land to the Government during
WWII).

While the "Castle" belongs to the State, and is a major tourist attraction, the surrounding land still belongs to the Hearst family. - The airstrip is reserved for
their use.

This writeup mentions the Hacienda: http://cervinscentralcoast.blogspot.com/2012/12/montereys-mission.html

 

[cessna182b]

That's not a castle at all.

For a castle, check out Carcassonne (it is close to Toulouse France and the Airbus factory).

Actually, Carcassone is a Walled City. There are quite a few in Europe. I recently visited a couple of others: Bonifacio in Corsica, then Mt. St. Michel and St Malo in
mainland France. As for Castles, they are everywhere you look in Europe.

Dave.

 

[cessna182b]

After the big quake coming soon to CA most of Hiway 1 will be buried like this and most of the bridges along the hiway also gone. The whole coast of CA and WA are slowly going bye bye anyway even with small tremors.

Never say Never. That may well happen - but it could be tomorrow or a thousand years from now.

Be that as it may, in my humble opinion the portion of the Pacific Coast Highway south of Big Sur to Ragged Point is unsustainable. Landslides happen every year - this one
just happens to be bigger than usual. I would suggest that we abandon that part of the road to mother nature.

By the way - the slide is a long way from Big Sur - Mud Creek is south of the small settlement called Gorda. It's about 33 miles straight line distance.

Dave

 

[weilke]

Be that as it may, in my humble opinion the portion of the Pacific Coast Highway south of Big Sur to Ragged Point is unsustainable. Landslides happen every year - this one
just happens to be bigger than usual. I would suggest that we abandon that part of the road to mother nature.

Or make it a toll-road.

 

[Shepherd]

I'm sure the people crushed to death (57 dead) when the freeway collapsed on them in 1994 could care less that it wasn't "the big one". It was only a 6.9.
Neither could the 63 who died in 1989. Also a 6.9.
I'll take my chances with the wind and the rain here on the East coast.

 

[Pilawt]

Seismologist Lucy Jones from the US Geological Survey warned in a dramatic speech in Japan last month that people need to stop ignoring the threat.

When the power came back on after the 1994 Northridge Quake (we were living three miles from the epicenter), and M5.0+ aftershocks were still happening regularly, a scientist (I think it was Lucy) was on TV grinning like a kid with a new toy. "Boy, we sure learned a lot from this one," she gushed. "We didn't even know that fault was there. For all we know, this might just be a foreshock of an even bigger one!!"

Thank you for sharing, Lucy.

And it wasn't just the M6.7 quake at 4:31 AM on 1/17/94 ... the thousands of aftershocks that went on for months was what drove you nuts. And each time the shaking started, we remembered what Lucy had said ...

Our swimming pool was our seismometer. At M5.0, water sloshed over the edge onto the deck.

I'm sure the people crushed to death (57 dead) when the freeway collapsed on them in 1994 could care less that it wasn't "the big one".

I don't recall that many, if any, of the fatalities in 1994 were from overpasses falling on them. There was the LAPD motorcycle officer who was killed when he drove onto an overpass that collapsed out from under him (SR 14 transition to southbound I-5 in Newhall Pass, now "Clarence Wayne Dean Memorial Interchange").

Most of the casualties were in collapsed residential structures (it happened early in the morning on a holiday -- had it been a workday the casualty count would likely have been much higher). Sixteen died in the three-story, wood-frame Northridge Meadows Apartment complex, that pancaked into the ground floor. Northridge Meadows is in the center of this photo -- look how the structure on the right (north) seems a bit higher than the one on the left. Before 1/17/94 they were the same height.



Northridge Meadows is the building, that seems to be listing to the left, in the background in this photo:

 

[Sundancer]

It appears that other states are doing a much better job of whining. California "receives $0.99 in federal expenditures per dollar of taxes paid, which is below the national average return for states of $1.22 per dollar paid..."

http://www.politifact.com/california/article/2017/feb/14/does-california-give-more-it-gets-dc/

Hmmmm. . .And I was thinking DOD spent massive bucks on defense industry in CA? I also heard CA residents get to deduct their state and local taxes from their Fed taxes? I'd think that would count as a big, if hidden, Fed subsidy for CA folks. Jack your state and local taxes, reduce your Fed burden, at the expense of lower tax states. Not CA only, of course - all of left coast and the NE, as well.

 

[ircphoenix]

Hmmmm. . .And I was thinking DOD spent massive bucks on defense industry in CA? I also heard CA residents get to deduct their state and local taxes from their Fed taxes? I'd think that would count as a big, if hidden, Fed subsidy for CA folks. Jack your state and local taxes, reduce your Fed burden, at the expense of lower tax states. Not CA only, of course - all of left coast and the NE, as well.

So the DOD doesn't spend money anywhere else? And the feds don't allow any other state with local taxes to write local taxes off? Interesting. That certainly seems entirely unfair... and implausible.

 

[ircphoenix]

Never say Never. That may well happen - but it could be tomorrow or a thousand years from now.

Be that as it may, in my humble opinion the portion of the Pacific Coast Highway south of Big Sur to Ragged Point is unsustainable. Landslides happen every year - this one
just happens to be bigger than usual. I would suggest that we abandon that part of the road to mother nature.

By the way - the slide is a long way from Big Sur - Mud Creek is south of the small settlement called Gorda. It's about 33 miles straight line distance.

Dave

Nope. California is a strike-slip fault. Los Angeles and San Francisco will eventually be the same city eons from now. The plates are moving laterally. Even in the north, the ocean side is subducting under the land side.

 

[Pilawt]

Los Angeles and San Francisco will eventually be the same city eons from now.

That should make the Dodgers-Giants rivalry interesting ...

 

[Sundancer]

So the DOD doesn't spend money anywhere else? And the feds don't allow any other state with local taxes to write local taxes off? Interesting. That certainly seems entirely unfair... and implausible.

More in DOD spending in CA, historically I believe. . .and, as I wrote, but you apparently didn't read, I mentioned quite a few other states doing the same thing. . .

 

[Shawn]

Nope. California is a strike-slip fault. Los Angeles and San Francisco will eventually be the same city eons from now

Good Lord man......then we will have to start calling it "THE" 101 in Nor Cal...now THAT would be a disaster!

 

[ircphoenix]

That should make the Dodgers-Giants rivalry interesting ...

The Angels already ripped LA off... so it'll either be the Los Angeles Dodgers of San Francisco or the San Francisco Giants of Los Angeles.

.. or the San Angeles Giant Dodgers

 

[ircphoenix]

More in DOD spending in CA, historically I believe. . .and, as I wrote, but you apparently didn't read, I mentioned quite a few other states doing the same thing. . .

http://www.ncsl.org/research/military-and-veterans-affairs/military-s-impact-on-state-economies.aspx

Yep. You specifically mentioned the left coast and northeast. Nice insinuation.

But literally any resident in any of the 43 states that has a state income tax can write that off of their federal tax.

 

[Sundancer]

http://www.ncsl.org/research/military-and-veterans-affairs/military-s-impact-on-state-economies.aspx

Yep. You specifically mentioned the left coast and northeast. Nice insinuation.

But literally any resident in any of the 43 states that has a state income tax can write that off of their federal tax.

Maybe I'm unfair - maybe CA state and local taxes are amoung the lowest of the 43 states with income tax? And amoung the lowest in property taxes, too? Shoot, maybe CA is a tax haven?

Or, maybe not. . .

 

[GRG55]

That's funny, because I feel the same way about where YOU live!

To each their own.
Born and raised in the PNW. Grew up between Seattle and Vancouver. Left there at the age of 23. Have been resident (not visitor) on five continents now. Still have a lot of family on the left coast. Never had any desire to move back. Can't stand the what-should-the-government-do-for-me-today entitlement mentality. Can't stand the rain.

Fantastic place to re-fuel after a scenic flight over the rock though.

 

[Palmpilot]

Maybe I'm unfair - maybe CA state and local taxes are amoung the lowest of the 43 states with income tax? And amoung the lowest in property taxes, too? Shoot, maybe CA is a tax haven?

Or, maybe not. . .

Definitely not a tax haven, but as far as impact on federal tax is concerned, for states that have both, one is allowed to choose either state income tax or state sales tax as a deduction from federal taxable income, not both. And the article mentions that Californians pay higher federal tax per capita than residents of other states, which would seem to considerably weaken your argument.

 

[Fred Thomas]

The last big one was 1906 a 7.8. In geologic time that is a few seconds and the geologic record indicates the next big one on the San Andreas is overdue and as such will no doubt be larger than the 06 quake. If the 06 quake happened today hundreds of thousands would be killed and at least 20,000 buildings/structures destroyed.

Seismologist Lucy Jones from the US Geological Survey warned in a dramatic speech in Japan last month that people need to stop ignoring the threat. In 2011 there was a 9.0 earthquake off the east coast of Japan and around 10% of the population died. The Pacific ring of fire is a system of faults mirrored on either side of the Pacific.

A 9.0 quake would be 15 times bigger and 65 times stronger than the 06 quake and would sink either San Francisco bay area or the Los Angeles coast and valley three feet in a few seconds with resultant seawater flooding and tsunami. The disaster would lead to at least a million deaths and most of either city completely destroyed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4540590/California-s-Big-One-happening-devastate.html

Complete mis-representation of what Dr. Jones spoke about. She is trying to break the "it hasn't happened lately, therefore it won't happen" denial scenario we see in humans. She isn't claiming a 10% death rate or 9.0 California quake with LA/SF "sliding into the ocean". The Ring of Fire isn't mirrored either, it's not like it's a plate is spinning around in the Pacific.

 

[Sundancer]

Definitely not a tax haven, but as far as impact on federal tax is concerned, for states that have both, one is allowed to choose either state income tax or state sales tax as a deduction from federal taxable income, not both. And the article mentions that Californians pay higher federal tax per capita than residents of other states, which would seem to considerably weaken your argument.

property tax, actually, plus state income tax, being deductable. Of which, CA has gobs of both. Plus sales taxes, and a few doxen others, but, as you say, not necessarily deductable. But, article or not, the in flow of Fed bucks to CA would certainly appear to exceed the out flow to the Feds.

 

[Morgan3820]

You use the Daily Mail as a source for your scientific information?

Please tell me you're kidding.

9.0 earthquakes have happened in the US, just not in California. While devastating, they simply have not caused the armageddon you describe. The most recent was 1964 in Anchorage. That's one of the largest earthquakes ever recorded anywhere. Yet, the few bridges didn't come down, and the deaths were in the hundreds, despite Anchorage having a population around 100,000 at the time. It did, however, take out the PANC control tower.

No one seriously believes a 9 point earthquake is all that likely. 8 point, sure, but the bridges are designed to withstand that. It's not AT ALL a small difference, so don't even go there, or you'll prove you don't understand logarithmic scales.

Here is a substantially more reliable source than a British tabloid known for sensationalism and questionable reality: https://www.scec.org/ucerf

And here's a big hint: The San Andreas is not the major fault risk. It ruptures fairly regularly, and just doesn't make the largest earthquakes. Despite your claim, it has ruptured in 1989 (north) and 1994 (south), each of which killed several dozen people, no more.

Another big hint: Almost all of San Francisco and especially Los Angeles is well above 3 feet above sea level. A tsunami would cause significant damage, especially to the harbors, but fall well short of completely destroying either city.

Oh, and we had a tsunami in 2011. If you didn't own a yacht in the Santa Cruz harbor, you didn't notice. That was 5 feet of flow, not 3.

Crap, I was looking forward to Kalifornia going bye-bye. I am going to stick with Citizen5000's reality.

 

[Sundancer]

I don't live in CA anymore, but I would miss San Diego.

 

[Palmpilot]

property tax, actually, plus state income tax, being deductable. Of which, CA has gobs of both. Plus sales taxes, and a few doxen others, but, as you say, not necessarily deductable.

All of which has already been taken into account when you add up the total federal taxes being paid by the residents of each state.

But, article or not, the in flow of Fed bucks to CA would certainly appear to exceed the out flow to the Feds.

Where does that "appear"? In your imagination?

 

[Palmpilot]

Crap, I was looking forward to Kalifornia going bye-bye. I am going to stick with Citizen5000's reality.

I think North Carolina should have been allowed to secede!

 

[Goofy]

the rich guys big house is,,, Hurst Castle, in Sam Simian....

Don't know about a monkey named Sam in the shifter business......
There is a big house in San Simeon?

 

[MAKG1]

Don't know about a monkey named Sam in the shifter business......
There is a big house in San Simeon?

Up the hill some 10 miles out of town, yes.

 

[Goofy]

Went right over your head....didn't it?

 

[Sundancer]

All of which has already been taken into account when you add up the total federal taxes being paid by the residents of each state.


Where does that "appear"? In your imagination?

I imagine the "article" author's imagination at least matches my imagination, and is imaginative as possible in spinning an imaginative narrative that CA is being hosed by the Feds.

You live in CA, and you get to deduct your state, local, and property taxes, which are considerable, from your Fed taxes. States (and citizens) with lower taxes do not reap the same benefit in proportion. They subsidize states like CA (and others). I readily admit I haven't the data to support or deny CA is loosing 1% in the deal. My "imagination" suggests it's BS; the defense contractor density in CA is freaking huge, and that feeds CA's economy substantially. You have an enormous military presence. Your higher education system is mega-big, per captia, and so Fed student loan in-flow is probably as large. My gut guess is the Social Security bogus disability in-flow is perhaps on a par with the rest of the country, per captia. Maybe not, though.

Anyway, absent an incentive to make a study of it, I do/do doubt CA is getting the short end of the Fed $$$ stick.

 

[Palmpilot]

I imagine the "article" author's imagination at least matches my imagination, and is imaginative as possible in spinning an imaginative narrative that CA is being hosed by the Feds.

You live in CA, and you get to deduct your state, local, and property taxes, which are considerable, from your Fed taxes. States (and citizens) with lower taxes do not reap the same benefit in proportion. They subsidize states like CA (and others). I readily admit I haven't the data to support or deny CA is loosing 1% in the deal. My "imagination" suggests it's BS; the defense contractor density in CA is freaking huge, and that feeds CA's economy substantially. You have an enormous military presence. Your higher education system is mega-big, per captia, and so Fed student loan in-flow is probably as large. My gut guess is the Social Security bogus disability in-flow is perhaps on a par with the rest of the country, per captia. Maybe not, though.

Anyway, absent an incentive to make a study of it, I do/do doubt CA is getting the short end of the Fed $$$ stick.

You're trying to counter data with plausibility arguments. I remain unconvinced.

Did you even LOOK at the sources cited in the article?

https://osc.state.ny.us/reports/budget/2015/fed_budget_fy2013.pdf

That was the data that the Legislative Analyst's Office based their bar chart on, and the Howard Jarvis Taxpayer's Association thinks it's "fairly accurate."

As for the military spending, one of the sources cited makes it clear that this was taken into account. Of the five categories of federal spending accounted for, military spending enters into two of them:

• Contracts for purchases of goods and services, from military and medical equipment to information technology and catering services. Defense purchases account for two-thirds of federal contracts.
• Salaries and wages for federal employees. Roughly two-thirds of this spending is for civilians, and one-third is for military personnel.

http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...3/federal-spending-in-the-states-2005-to-2014

You say you don't have an incentive to make a study of it. The organizations and governmental bodies cited in the article HAVE made a study of it, so I hope you will understand why I give their data more weight than your doubts.

 

[FlyingElvii]

Unusual activity for a house. Two tour buses are disgorging passengers in the foreground, and dozens of people are wandering the plaza-like sidewalks. They look like tourists to me.

Beast Castle?